I can't believe that Kerry is even considering Jon Warner

[freetobegay]

For defense Sec. Warner is scum of the earth! I can't say it enough, Warner is scum of the earth!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/12/kerry.defense.choices/index.html

[pres2032]

1. please explain

that's really kind of harsh, especially when you present no supporting info, though regardless, thats still pretty harsh

[freetobegay]

7. Warner is a neocon scum bag! is that plain enough?

& what I just said about him is being nice If you want to see harsh, I will be more than glad to show that to you.

[pres2032]

8. wow, i ask for an explanation for the insults

and i get more insults, that's funny

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. Just please tell me he's not another excessively wealthy Democrat.

There was a reason why Clinton was able to get the popular vote even when the conservatives were throwing everything at him, but the kitchen sink.

[lolly]

2. Here we go again . . .

This was discussed earlier, no?

Kerry WAS NOT announcing HIS choices for Sec'y of Defense.

He was telling Bush--look, you don't need to keep Rumsfield. There are several good choices YOU (Bush) could use for a replacement for Rumsfeld.

[pacifictiger]

3. this is twisted reporting -

the conversation came up regarding replacing Rumsfeld - he said a number of people had the abiltiy. He named republicans, as suggestions of people Bush could use to replace him. And, which possibly contributed to the confusion, he also put out democrat names too.

[DAGDA56]

4. I'm not sure if this is an error on CNN's part, or a deliberate...

...perversion of the facts. Unless Kerry has elaborated more than I have heard, he was listing people who could replace Rumsfeld right now...to say he was talking about his own cabinet is, I believe, a misinterpretation or an outright lie by the CNN reporter. Anybody else with me on this?

[pres2032]

6. i do believe he's talking about replacements for rumsfeld

not for his own cabinet

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[DAGDA56]

10. But that's the problem, Padraig...

...the lede in bold print says -- Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry floated the names of four people Wednesday, including two Republican senators, as possible choices for the post of defense secretary in a Kerry administration.
If all you read is the headline, you can easily come to the completely wrong conclusion.

[freetobegay]

11. "Read the GODDAMNED article!"?

I think you need to read the article.

"Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry floated the names of four people Wednesday, including two Republican senators, as possible choices for the post of defense secretary in a Kerry administration."

Am I missing something here?

:eyes:

[DAGDA56]

13. In a Kerry administration...is a LIE!

nt

[Tinoire]

14. So IOW, under a Kerry administration, the merger would be complete?

I swear, every effing time I manage to thaw out to Kerry, he does something this incredibly alienating.

Carl Levin is the ONLY one on that list I could stomach but I'm too pissed at the latest news on him.


Candidate says McCain, Warner, Levin, Perry on 'long list'

<snip>

In an interview with New York radio talk show host Don Imus, Kerry listed Sens. John McCain of Arizona and John Warner of Virginia as two possibilities, along with William Perry, who was defense chief from 1994 to 1997 during the Clinton administration.

He also added the name of Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan to what he said was a "long list" of "unbelievably capable" people who could take the helm at the Pentagon.

<snip>

Warner is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and Levin is the committee's ranking Democratic member. Perry is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, a think tank based at Stanford University.

<snip>

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/12/kerry.defense.choices/index.html



60 Minutes II - Iraq prison video diary - CBS
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Nomad666/60-2.wmv

From the 60 minutes follow-up:

<snip>

Girman and Canjar's families say they tried to bring attention to the problems at Camp Bucca.

They say they called Donald Rumsfeld's office repeatedly, and sent letters, emails and faxes to the White House, and to several senators, including Arlen Specter, Rick Santorum, Joe Lieberman and Carl Levin nearly a year ago.

The letters say that the "camps are in complete disarray with no reasonable voice of leadership..."

The letters also described the camp atmosphere "as a b-rated movie, filled with incompetence..."

The families say no one called back.

<snip>

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/11/60II/main616849.shtml

[sandnsea]

16. The mediawhores lie???

Are you shocked, stunned, falling off your seat????

This are people Bush could replace Rumsfeld with, it's been posted at DU for days. The articles used to at least bury that truth down in the story somewhere, I see they've even dispensed with that margin of truth.

Why do we all know the media lies, then turn right around and post the lies about Kerry? Do you know why so many on DU are more than happy to do that?

[KharmaTrain]

12. Kerry Did A Rove...

A great move in throwing Warner and McCain...two Repugnicans that have a lot of respect from moderates and Independents. It puts a wedge between those people (including a lot in the military who don't care about 75% of the Repugnican platform) and the wingnuts and also shows Kerry to be "realistic" and bipartisan.

Also, noted, this was in response to Imus' question about who * could replace Rummy with, not who he would choose. The story got chewed and twisted...and some, I suspect, by design...to make a couple blurbs that I think scored a few points among Moderate males...including a lot of Imus' listeners.

Warner, Lugar, McCain, Chaffee, Collins, Snowe, Hagel...these are good people who we need to give their due...let them be the Repugnican equivelent of what a Zell Miller is attempting to do with the Democrats.

You can see, they don't like this war...and especially are irate at this regime.

[Tinoire]

15. They are Republican! What is your goal? A bi-artisan merger?

Does nothing Democrats stand for mean anything to you?

What do you propose we throw out to entice such people and their supporters? Gay Rights? Abortion Rights? Civil Liberties? Money for schools?

Let me get this straight, your plan is to bring MORE Republicans over to the Democratic Party, as if the DLC wasn't enough, in order to beat the Republicans.

Oh boy. We're going to get our ass whooped bad if Kerry's people think this kind of shit is going to fly.

On edit: And let me add this part, again, because the spin is unbelievable.

(CNN) -- Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry floated the names of four people Wednesday, including two Republican senators, as possible choices for the post of defense secretary in a Kerry administration.

[DAGDA56]

17. No...the article is in error...a lie...bad reporting...

...I don't know how else to say it...the fact that it can create such a firestorm almost makes me think it was done intentionally. Kerry has NOT said he would appoint Warner or any other Republican to any post in HIS cabinet. If you got the opposite impression from reading the article, and I understand how you could, you have just been taken in by a LIE...from CNN, no less.

[Tinoire]

24. I tried to find the transcript.

All I can find is that same thing being repeated from the Los Angeles Times to the NY Times to Reuters to the Pakistani Times (I kid you not).

If it's not Kerry's intent, his campaign people should put an end to that immediately and loudly so.

I didn't watch IMUS because I can't stand the creep so I really have no idea other than by what I read.

The lie is halfway around the world already. If it's a misunderstanding, Kerry better clearly state so on his web page soon because all this hemming and hawwing about VP/cabinet choices and now this isn't going to play too well with certain people.

If you know where to find the transcript please post it... I couldn't find it. Thanks

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[DAGDA56]

26. I followed your links, and in both cases...

...the articles are talking about McCain as someone Kerry thinks could be a good replacement for Rumsfeld...again, neither article states that either McCain or Warner would have a place in a Kerry cabinet. I re-read them, and the only thing that even comes close to that is Kerry saying he would welcome advice on dealing with terrorism from either party. If, as you say, the idea that Kerry is planning on putting Republicans in his cabinet is already around the world, then I can only be amazed at velocity of a lie.

[KharmaTrain]

27. Get A Grip...This Is PR

Again...Kerry was asked who he though BUSH should replace Rumsfeld with. He replied with those names. Some in the media, including many here, took this to be he was naming who'd be his Secretary of Defense. Sheesh. Chill!

All I said is that by mentioning those names, JUST THE MENTION, on a show such as Imus', which is heard/seen by many Moderate Repugnicans and Independents, invoking those names are a very good thing.

Read that CNN lead again CLOSELY...the word FLOATED is used. What part of being vague and playing politics don't you understand?

This election will be won by swinging over as many Independent and Moderate Repugnicans as we can. Damn straight that means showing we can truly be bipartisan. And what's wrong with that when it comes to dealing with those who will work honestly.

So do you suggest we have only "ideologically pure" Democrats or those who have been party members for 6 months or 6 years or 20 years? I thought this was about rising above the petty bullshit that has torn this country apart.

Show inclusiveness and be guaranteed the Democrats not only lose this year but many elections to come. It'd be a party I'd have no part of. It'd be too much like the Repugnicans.

[maggrwaggr]

28. I agree 100%. It was a shrewd move and doesn't mean he'll actually do it

He is, after all, a very experienced politician.

He's appealing to moderates and disgruntled republicans with these kinds of statements.

When he gets in office, he can then appoint whoever the hell he wants.

[Cuban_Liberal]

19. The article is pure garbage.

Reporters talking to reporters, and making shit up. This is a result of Kerry's statement that Warner (and McCain and Levin) were well-qualified people could * name to replace Rumsfeld.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

20. A 'better' version:

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said yesterday any number of people, including Republican Sens. John McCain and John Warner, could replace Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.Kerry rejected concerns that a change in Pentagon leadership could damage the war effort.

"If America has reached a point where only one person has the ability in our great democracy to manage the Pentagon and to continue or to put in place a better policy even, we're in deeper trouble than you think," Kerry told broadcaster Don Imus. "I don't accept that. I just don't accept that. I think that's an excuse. The fact is that we need a change in policy."

Asked who he would put in place as defense secretary, Kerry first named McCain of Arizona, then listed Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.; Warner of Virginia; and William Perry, who served as defense secretary under President Clinton.

"There are any number of people who are unbelievably capable," Kerry said. "This notion that we have to continue with a policy that's wrong and taking us down the wrong track is absurd."

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=national&story_id=051304b1_kerrymccain

[Cuban_Liberal]

21. Yep, that one is right.

I read the initial AP article, and it bears NO resemblence to the article in the initial post.

[DAGDA56]

22. Agreed...which only makes me wonder...

...who in Hell is writing for CNN online?

[mad_russian]

25. I know...he shouldn't say things like that...he should've said

it's not my job yet to decide who gets to be DefSec.