George W Bush connection to the BCCI scandal ?

[kentuck]

I do recall his name involved in the investigation, led by Senator John Kerry, but I do not recall the specifics. I do recall that it was very complex and almost incomprehensible for the common citizen. But I do recall that the shadowy figure from Iran-Contra scandal, Ghoubanifar (sp?), has been connected to the BCCI and his name has reappeared in the last few days assisting the Bush Administration.

And now we find that Chalabi was also connected in some manner to the BCCI scandal. We do know that George W Bush was intricately connected with the Iran-Contra operation with Ollie North and that he made trips to that area during the Bush-Reagan years. In many ways, it seems the present occupant in the WH has been connected to the CIA dirty operations for many years and he seems to have the same type of admiration for secrecy that consumed the late, disgraced President Richard Nixon. Just a few thoughts...

[rogerashton]

1. Your sig line caught my eye.

Are you sure it is correct? This is from a page at the University of Wisconsin Library:

Quin's Postulate. A person must sometimes rise above principle. (Representative Percy Edwards Quin, Mississippi, 1921) Source: The Official Explanations, c1980 by Paul Dickson.

http://www.wisc.edu/wendt/books/oldacqs/042503.html

Then again,

"Rise above principle and do what is right." — Walter Heller, 20th-century American economist

http://www.josephsoninstitute.org/quotes/quotefairness.htm
or

“In politics a man must learn to rise above principle”. Stanley Baldwin. 1867-1947


http://gold.sdnp.org.gy/uog/fac_tech/PDF%20files/QUOTES.pdf

"Success is the ability to rise above principle."
  --  Gerald Barzan

wups, sorry, lost the source for that one. Plus, I have not seen a single bit of evidence for any of these attributions. Maybe, "traditional saying" would be a better source attribution.

[kentuck]

2. I did not personally hear him say it...

:) But that was who it was attributed to before I stole it...

[RainDog]

3. You might want to see what you can find about this

from an out of print book called Banking Scandals: The S&L and BCCI edited by Robert Emmet Long. (1993) I found a copy of it this year via a used book search.

p. 101 "Conventional wisdom has it that the Iran/Contra scandal grew out of Israeli intriques with the NSC in the spring of 1985. But new evidence, unearthed by researcher Peggy Adler Robohm and a former Justice Department prosecutor named John Loftus, suggests a different possibility. According to this new evidence, the scandal may actually have begun at least a year earlier, as a BCCI-financed Anglo-US intelligence operation, put together by then CIA-head William Casey and run, in part at least, out of the office of then-vice president George Bush."

Forbidden Truth, by Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie, talks about the connections between the Bush family and financiers of terrorism, who, btw, used BCCI it would seem, to funnel money to people like, oh, say, Osama bin Laden.

Bush Jr. was financed by Saudis and others in his failed oil companies in part, it seems, to gain access to Poppy when he was in the White House.

[kentuck]

4. Here is an interesting tidbit from March of 2000 - before he was selected

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2000/intelligencenewsletter030200.html

<snip>
Intelligence Newsletter
March 2, 2000



Texas governor George W. Bush's campaign to become the Republican candidate in this November's presidential ballot could shortly run into turbulence because of new information about his past. Indeed, among the figures Bush dealt with indirectly when he ran oil companies was Saudi banker Khaled Bin Mahfouz who, Intelligence Newsletter has learned, is currently under house arrest in a hospital in Taef at the behest of the American authorities. The latter are looking into contributions Mahfouz is said to have made to welfare associations close to terrorist Ussama Bin Laden. Considered as the "king's treasurer," Mahfouz was recently forced to sharply reduce his stake in the National Commercial Bank, one of the biggest in the kingdom. Many in Arab financial circles see this as a harbinger of his disgrace. Mahfouz's name was linked to the scandal involving the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) , in which he held a 20% interest between 1986-1990. The BCCI was accused in senator John- Kerry's report of money-laundering and of financing terrorist groups and covert spy operations before it was wound up on July 5, 1991, with a $ 12 billion loss to its customers. Mahfouz was also linked to a case involving fake passports in Ireland in 1997 that forced Irish foreign minister Ray Burke to resign.

In 1987 Mahfouz's representative in the U.S., Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, acquired an 11.5% stake in a company in which the Bush was a shareholder, director and adviser, Harken Energy. Bush played a central role in Harken which had his previous oil business, Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation, in 1986. Spectrum 7, in which Bush was boss and held 13.8%, had previously bought up the first firm Bush founded, Arbusto Energy Inc. in 1984. An American banker named Jacksen Stephens who was to also be deeply involved in the BCCI affair moved in 1987 to invest $ 25 million in Harken. The transaction took place in Geneva with the money was paid through a joint venture set up between the Union des Banques Suisses and the Geneva branch of the BCCI; the financial accord was signed by both Stephens and Bakksh. Other links between Bush and Mahfouz can be found through investments in the Carlyle Group, an American investment firm managed by a board on which former president George Bush himself sat. The younger Bush personally held shares in one of the components of the Carlyle group, the Caterair company, between 1990-94. And Carlyle today ranks as a leading contributor to Bush's electoral campaign. On Carlyle's advisory board figures the name of Sami Baarma, director of the Pakistani financial establishment Prime Commercial Bank that is based in Lahore and owned by Mafouz

[RainDog]

6. The authors of Forbidden Truth note this connection

as well.

And this quote from them is telling:

"After dominating the financial news throughout the 1990s, the BCCI is now at the center of the financial network put in place by Osama bin Laden's main supporters." p117

also-

"BCCI facilitated financial operations for Iraqi arms dealer Samir Najmadeen, as well as for Adnan Kashoggi, one of Kamal Adham's close contacts. Kashoggi was secretly selling arms to Iran, and at the same time was in contact with an Iraqi intermediary, Manucher Ghorbanifar." p122

also-

p 121- Ghaith Pharon sold a part in his stake to BCCI to Khalid bin Mahfhouz and his brothers, who became 20% shareholders in the bank.

BCCI also had ties with Abu Nidal, with drug lord Pablo Esobar, Noreiga.

In addition to BCCI, Islamic Charities have been and are used to finance terrorist networks, including Hamas. Khalid bin Mahfouz's son, Abdul Rahman, is the Sudanese branch manager of Muwafaq, supspected of helping to organize the assassination attempt of Hosni Mubarak, and also accused by the CIA of having received funds via the Saudi National Commercial Bank, headed at the time by Khalid. p127


...so no wonder Bush wants those 28 pages kept under wraps...

[nolabels]

13. So the 28 pages are key to the connections, Officially , of coarse

I am sure most of the information is out there, just getting it tied up into a neat little bow with US government on it is the only problem, along with not having it classified (kept secret)of coarse.

The interesting part for me is what the heck does it all have to do with 9/11 (in thier view of coarse). I hope they keep on trying to hide thier official view. It makes it just that more inportant to find out about other things. Oh, those lies so much work to keep hidden.

Thanks for posting this Kentuck and everybody else, we need all the names and info that pertains we can get. Helps to keep the ball rolling

[blm]

20. Holy Smokes...

funny thing...Kerry brought up BCCI, IranContra and Olli North, and Noriega and CIA drugrunning on Cspan tonight. It was recorded from Thursday. It looks like he's ready to bear down and make the case....again. This time with the spectre of 9-11 to add renewed interest to that case.

[RainDog]

23. double blow

if Kerry can work on developing an investigation via what he knows from the BCCI investigation,

and if Graham can keep up the pressure to release the 28 pages which Bush is hiding...

then, if Wilson can gain a hearing for the treasonous action of outing his wife as a CIA operative and putting her WMD work in danger for the sake of political spite..

maybe more Americans will wake up and see what an evil and duplicitous gang of crooks are killing our democracy.

otherwise, they'll want to get rid of the Bushies simply because of the economic damage his policies are doing, but the larger issue is the criminal and treasonous actions of this entire cabal.

[blm]

39. I see them as a tag team. too.

I noticed it a couple months ago. They both have info up the wazoo on the BFEE.

Here's Kerry's book from 1997 on terrorism.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=13330#13750

[Andy_Stephenson]

24. Yawn...

I will believe it when I hear it.

[blm]

34. watch Cspan.

He brought them all up in NH. Something's up. And he does have major figures on his team - Rand Beers, Gen. Perry and Gary Hart.

[Andy_Stephenson]

56. All flash!

No substance. I recorded the talk he gave. I remain un-impressed.

[blm]

58. You don't get it.

It means that it's on the table.

It will be part of the overall campaign.

I am not impressed with your purposefully obtuse refusal to acknowledge that fact.

[Capn Sunshine]

47. The Corporate sloth that is the news channels will get to it

They are just really slow. Only this weekend was the CIA- Novak agent outing/ White house vindictiveness angle scandal on the air in the newsloops.

So look for it in about six weeks when things slow down and the Stock market hasn't tanked yet.

[KoKo]

65. Kick! Good stuff on this thread!

:kick:

[starroute]

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[starroute]

9. Jackson Stephens is definitely a name to watch

In the 1970's, Jackson Stephens was a fund-raiser for Jimmy Carter, and he bankrolled Bill Clinton's early campaigns. But then he became involved with the 1980 Reagan campaign and his wife managed Bush, Sr.'s 1988 Arkansas campaign. When I Googled a while ago for "Bush family friends," Stephens' name was one of those that came up.

It was his Arkansas bank, Stephens, Inc., that arranged the sale of Bert Lance's National Bank of Georgia to BCCI frontman Ghaith Pharaon in 1978. Stephens, Inc. was also involved in other BCCI bank purchases.

As your quote points out, Stephens, Inc. underwrote the 1987 Harken stock offering that was placed with the Union Bank of Switzerland, which had BCCI connections. Sheikh Bakhsh co-signed the accord for that offering, and Stephens then got Bakhsh to buy out the Union Bank's shares, making him a major Harken shareholder.

In 1990, when Harken obtained a contract with Bahrein under questionable circumstances, the deal was arranged by two former brokers for Stephens, Inc. and was expedited by Bahrein's prime minister, Sheikh Kalifah, who was a BCCI shareholder.

Daniel Hopsicker's Mad Cow Productions implicates Stephens in an even wider range of interesting events:

Jackson Stephens name, so often linked to the NSA, has made a brief appearance in almost every whispered-about scandal or cover-up in America in the past two decades.

He was named in the BCCI criminal bank scandal, in the death of Vince Foster and the stolen Promis software scandal of the Justice Dept, and in the 1996 campaign finance scandal involving allegations of Red Chinese money.

Most notably, Jackson Stephens has already been named in one intelligence-related aviation scandal: the gun-running and cocaine smuggling at Mena, Arkansas during the 1980’s that was behind Iran Contra and Whitewater.

Stephens' colorful curriculum vitae also includes the fact that he was roommates with President Jimmy Carter at the US Naval Academy.

http://www.madcowprod.com/index8.html

[Eloriel]

10. Mahfouz is all over 9-11 too

I don't off-hand remember the details, but I've got a bazillion links about him.

Eloriel

[Octafish]

69. Khashoggi. Adnan Khashoggi.

Slate's guy did a bang-up job linking Adnan to everything noir that's gone down since 1960, from oil-money lubricating the careers of W Bush and filling the offshore tanks, er, banks of Poppy.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2058706/

[nolabels]

16. This looks like a little more background to ponder in

Lots above this snip
http://alexconstantine.50megs.com/home.html
Flashback: The CIA and the Sheikh

How a Schizophrenic Foreign Policy Led to Deadly Domestic Terrorism
(snip)
Bush II

Despite Sheehan's thorough condemnation, the Bush administration began to negotiate with the Taliban in February, 2001, according to Jean Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasque, authors of Bin Laden: La Vérité Interdite. Handling public relations for the Taliban in this phase was Laila Helms, niece of former CIA Director Richard Helms. The Taliban reportedly offered to extradite bin Laden in exchange for diplomatic recognition. In May Secretary of State Colin Powell announced that the U.S. would provide $43 million in drought relief aid Brisard and Dasque point to the preponderance of energy industry officials in the Bush administration and an "oil above all" philosophy in explaining why a U.S. government would resume negotiations with a regime such as that characterized in Michael Sheehan's testimony. They regard with special suspicion the continued refusal of Vice President Cheney to release information about the deliberations of the Energy Policy Task Force. At a minimum, the Bush administration apparently was seduced by the same arguments that influenced U.S. behavior in the Unocal pipeline episode: oil development in the region required a stable government in Afghanistan. Initially, the Taliban appeared to offer that possibility.

Several meetings with the Taliban took place under the auspices of the United Nations, the book asserts. Facilitated by Fransesc Vendrell, personal representative of UN Secretary General Kofi-Annan, the meetings were attended by representatives of the six countries bordering Afghanistan, plus Russian and the US. The assemblage was sometimes referred to as the group of 6+2. Taliban representatives reportedly sat in on some of the group's meetings. Former Pakistani Minister of Foreign Affairs, Naif Naik confirmed to French television that during a July 6+2 meeting in Berlin, the formation of a "government of national unity" in Afghanistan was discussed. "If the Taliban had accepted this coalition, they would have immediately received international economic aid. And the pipelines from Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan would have come," he said.

According to Naik, Tom Simons, the US representative at these meetings, openly threatened the Taliban and Pakistan, saying "…either the Taliban behave as they ought to, or Pakistan convinces them to do so, or we will use another option'. Naik claimed Simons used the words 'a military operation'.

The last meeting between the Taliban and the U.S. government took place in August. Christina Rocca, director of the State Departments's bureau of Asian affairs who had reportedly worked on Central Asian matters for the CIA between 1982 and 1997, met with the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan in Islamabad.

Another assertion in Ben Laden: La Vérité Interdite -- "the main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were US oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it". John P. O'Neill, former director of counterterrorism for the FBI's New York had been leading the investigation of the bombing of the USS Cole in October 2000, but had been barred by the U.S. Ambassador to Yemen from returning there in July of this year. The reasons given were that O'Neill had no cultural sensitivity and was harming U.S. relations.
(snip)

[RainDog]

5. Bush also recruited fellow awol-er James Bath

for the CIA, at least that's the conventional wisdom.

Bath was partnered with Ghaith Pharon, who was heavily involved in BCCI. He was the one who tried to buy the National Bank of Georgia, which was to serve as a screen for BCCI.

Bath also fronted for Pharon to try to buy a Houston airport.

BCCI was registered in the Cayman Islands, btw. Remember, after 9-11, how certain members of the legislative branch wanted to investigate offshore banking used as a way to fund terrorism?

This was not approved...no doubt to keep all the crooks who are both part of the govt, and who fund the govt, from the scrutiny of the American people.

[InkAddict]

7. Furthermore...

if PROMIS software could locate and process the personal histories of "black hats" worldwide, could it not also locate and process personal/group voting histories...don't let the front door hit you all in the butt, use the back door - so much more convenient - IT applications gone wrong(and now sent out to foreign nations)brought to AmeriKa and sponsored by the "shadow government" under the aupices of the DOJ - So much for checks and balances!

Here's the whole mess

http://pdr.autono.net/promis.html

[Trajan]

8. Try these links on for size ...

Dontcha just LOVE Google ? ....

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Bush+BCCI&btnG=Google+Search

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[nolabels]

31. No, I don't love google, use only once in while now

I us this http://www.copernic.com/en/index.html companys stuff, they have trial version, I recently picked up the personal version which is way better than the free version, which is much better than google. Its a little different to use, so you got to fiddle a bit.

Here check out this thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=17950

Its about google, one of the dudes that was working for the NSA left there and went to work at google, at least according what it says in one those stories, so that might explain why google isn't what it used to be, aside from a lot of things I'm sure.

[JanMichael]

11. These people should all be sitting in jail cells.

Every last one of them.

When Al Martin called into TGJS a couple of weeks ago he laid out many of the BFEE connections and it was, quite literally, the most depressing interview ever.

[SpiralHawk]

12. Right now in England there is a lawsuit that involves all these

matters, and that could spill one big plug-ugly can of beans telling this whole sordid banking/terrorism story and the involvement of the Bush Regime.

Sorry, cannot remember the details. Was posted here on DU about 6 months ago. If someone knows some key words, no doubt we could goggle up some current info on the status of that legal case in England. It's good stuff. Worth keeping an eye on, for I do sense that KARMA is about to bite the Bushies in the Butt big time.

As for me, I'm not going near google just now. I gotta get some sleep this afternoon, since I fortunately didn't get any last night. < wink, wink -- nudge, nudge > LOL

[RainDog]

14. here'e some it

from that six months or so ago discussion. I was trying to clean it up, but haven't been back to it for a while. tons of DU-ers made great contributions to the thread...this is just an exerpt.


=British Intelligence & the origins of the BCCI (from "The Secret War a...

The following will hopefully explain why we just don't talk about BCCI in my country -- even the Sandstorm report which is available in the US thru a FOIA that was filed, is still top-secret & confidential over here. (On this, the essay linked here is pretty interesting)

the Loftus/Aarons extract:

-------------

"Apparently in 1976, George Bush became the Republican party's garbage man. He was the man in charge of the CIA when Hakim's connections to Wilson was first investigated, and when Wilson's Task Force 157 affair was first covered up. Bush was also the man in charge of the CIA during the coverup of the Angleton Vatican-Vessel scandal, when he covered up when the CIA protected one of Nixon's Nazi's. when the Wilson affair was exposed and during the Angolan mercenary operation.

Our intelligence sources insist that Bush did not create these scandals. He inherited them in 1976. One "old spy" was unequivocal: "Bush was a virgin in covert ops. He spent most of his one year as DCI testifying before congress. There was one guy in the Republican party who knew where the bodies were buried. Bush trusted Bill Casey for advice. That was his big mistake."

In 1976 Casey was running Reagan's presidential campaign. Casey had known Reagan since the early 1950's, when they had both worked on the Fascist "freedom fighter" program under Vice President Nixon. Later on, as president, Nixon had appointed Casey to run the Securities and Exchange Commission. Casey was one of the Republican party's leading fund-raisers. As Oliver North later would discover, Casey also had considerable knowledge of international money laundering.

A number of past and present intelligence officers say that it was Casey who opened a new private channel to the British in 1976. It did not take a political genius to realize that the Democrats would take over the White House, the CIA, and the Securities and Exchange Commission in 1977. Time was running out to hide a dirty chain of money laundering that stretched back to Dulles. Casey had worked with British intelligence before, and together they had no problem in devising a new and more reliable banking system that would permanently avoid congressional scrutiny. Casey, not Bush, forged the British banking-intelligence connection. George Bush just did as he was told. His only contribution was to chip in CIA funds to set up the new listening post in the Gulf States. The British took care of the rest.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

from "The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People" by John Loftus and Mark Aarons. pp393-397

For more on the book, good 2 hour audio interview with Lofus from 1995:
http://archive.wfmu.org:5555/archive/DX/dx-FTR-029a.rm
http://archive.wfmu.org:5555/archive/DX/dx-FTR-029b.rm
http://archive.wfmu.org:5555/archive/DX/dx-FTR-029c.rm
http://archive.wfmu.org:5555/archive/DX/dx-FTR-029d.rm

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Finally, the "ASSOCIATION FOR ACCOUNTANCY AND BUSINESS AFFAIRS" has a copy of said Sandstorm report along with several other bits and pieces:

"In July 1991, the fraud infested Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) was closed by the Bank of England. It was preceded by an investigation and a report titled the "Sandstorm" Report. Rather than making this report available to the public, the UK government has chosen to suppress it. Indeed, as information on these pages shows the UK government, despite pretension of 'freedom of information' has no intention of ever letting the public see this report. The sight of the report would enable legislators to draft better laws. It will also enable the victims of the BCCI fraud to secure better redress.

As a matter of public service, AABA is making this report publicly available."
http://visar.csustan.edu/aaba/bccipage.html

Observer article from Sunday:

=Bank of England First time on stand for 300 years

"BCCI's creditors are reckoned to have clawed back about 60 per cent of their estimated £7 billion losses over the years, but have never received a penny from the Bank of England.

This autumn's High Court case promises to be gruelling for the Bank, whose officials will take the stand for the first time in its 300-year history.

Some are likely to give evidence, for several weeks each. They include Robin Leigh-Pemberton, who was Governor of the Bank when BCCI crashed; Eddie George, the present Governor and Leigh-Pemberton's deputy at the time; and Brian Quinn, who headed the banking supervision division. Quinn is now chairman of Celtic football club. "

<...>

"They will cite Lord Justice Bing ham official report of 1992, which said the Bank 'did not pursue the truth about BCCI with the vigour which BCCI's market reputation justified'. Bingham condemned the Bank for failing to investigate allegations of wrongdoing at BCCI which it received in the Eighties. He added that it was wrong not to get more more involved in attempts to rescue BCCI in the year prior to its collapse. "

http://www.observer.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,877670,00.html

[Starpass]

15. There's another character I've been wondering about

..but have no name, etc. Just remember that at the time Shrub ran for office one of the news magazines did a big article on his life (how exiciting--drunk, failure). Anyway, they got to the part of his failed oil business where other owners couldn't give away their "companies". Bush's company was basically worth the old truck and couple pieces of machinery worth less than $100,000. It said that James Baker arranged to have the company bought by a South American (Argentenian or Brazillian???) for several million dollars; and that it was so that guy had direct access to Papa Bush. You talk here of middle east dudes but this definitely was a South American. Any clues, ideas, connections, whatever??????????? I've always wondered where this guy fit in the "slime" of things.

[sangha]

36. Search for Orlando Bosch

I think it was one of his cronies.

[RainDog]

61. Orlando Bosch

this is from Lost History, by Robert Parry, p 173-4

Bosch worked with fellow Cuban exile Luis Posada Carriles to attack Cuban embassies, ships, etc. Posada worked for Reagan's contra scheme. Ollie North recruited him to run guns. Posada was also charged with blowing up a commercial airliner in Ven.

Bosch chaired a secret meeting in the Dom. Rep. in 1976 to try to get Castro.

Cuban exiles also helped Chilean intelligence hunt down and kill Allende's exiled foreign minister, Orlando Letelier. The assassins detonated a bomb taped to Letelier's car (how is this different than terrorism?)

The FBI discovered, later, that the murder occured AFTER the U.S. Ambassador to Paraguay had alerted the CIA director GEORGE BUSH about a suspicious Chilean intelligence mission to the U.S. But Bush and the CIA DID NOTHING TO THWART THE ATTACK. in other words, they LIHOP.

Two weeks after this assassination, a Cuban plane took off in Barbados and exploded nine minutes into the flight. All 73 people on board died.

Venuzuelan authorities charged Posada and Bosch with masterminding the bombing.

Also, this is quote should be tattooed on the talking heads who supposedly tell Americans the news.

p 280-81

"This 23-year-old story of international intrigue and murder-- like other unsolved mysteries involving the 41st president -- has a fresh relevance in 1999 with Bush's oldest son, George W. Bush, touted as the..frontrunner...

With George W's experience limited to state government in Texas, sources close to the Bush entourage expect that the governor will look to his father's network for foreign policy expertise....So, the lingering suspicions about President Bush's involvement in a variety of questionable and illegal acts are reasonable issues to weigh when considering George W's candidacy..

These mysteries include:

Bush's connnection to the Letelier assassination and to other Latin American human rights catastrophes, such as the launching of Argentina's dirty war..

Bush's precise role in the now-corroborated accounts of Republican secret contacts with Iranian radicals holding 52 Americans hostage in 1980, while Prez Carter was trying to negotiate their release.

Bush's knowledge of cocaine trafficking under the umbrella of the contra war.

Bush's participation in sypplying secret military assistance to the armies of Saddam Hussein in the 80s, including weaponry via Pinochet.

Bush's close financial and political relationship with Sun myung Moon, who advocates the subjugation of the American people under a totalitarian theocracy "

...and now, of course, the role of Bush's biz and personal dealings with the bin Mahfouz and bin Laden families, and why Dubya seems to think it is in our national interest to protect and support a corrupt monarchy in Saudi Arabia because of oil.

...and if anyone didn't notice, Bush has no plans to decrease American dependence on Saudi oil. Even his hydrogen car initiative uses oil to extract the hydrogen.

why these people are allowed to walk the streets of America, much LESS govern, is beyond me. they should be in Gitmo.

[RainDog]

17. kick back to the top

because these things are key to bringing down the Bush junta.

will Kerry step forward once again?

call your Congressman/woman to ask for those 28 pp.

what is the role of BCCI in funding terrorism? that's a question America needs an answer to, especially considering who is in bed with whom.

[Stephanie]

18. Thanks for the background on BCCI!

Have always been embarrassed by my ignorance on this. When you ask:

what is the role of BCCI in funding terrorism?

do you mean currently? I thought BCCI folded long ago. Is it still operating?

[RainDog]

21. BCCI no longer exists as a name

however, the names associated with BCCI are very important currently...

as in the bin Laden family.

the bin Mahfouz family.

(these are two of the richest and most powerful families in Saudi Arabia)

also, those involved in BCCI have also been involved with funding of Islamic charities which, like BCCI, have served as fronts to launder money for terrorists.

Have you read Forbidden Truth? It's a cheap paperback, well worth the money for the links between the bin Laden and the Bush families.

In addition, as noted above, BCCI was involved in the Iran-Contra and, most certainly, Iraqgate. These were Bush Sr. crimes which involved John Poindexter (mr total information awareness network), Elliot Abrams, Otto Reich, Negroponte...all part of Bush's administration.

So, in that way, yes, BCCI is still around. yesterday there was a thread about Feith, I think, meeting the the Iraqi guy...Ghobanofar...I'm sure I misspelled that one...it's typed in an earlier post...who, as mentioned was also a big part of Iran-Contra.

the hearing into BCCI was never totally settled. I have lots and lots of links and info on this from the thread six months ago.

I've gone through some of it, trying to clean it up to just have the info without all the other comments, etc.

blm and JohnHorne and IanBruce and lots of others know lots about this and have better knowledge than I do, I'm sure.

[Stephanie]

25. I think this is the post you mean

posted by nolabels in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=133055#153148

http://www.antiwar.com/
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/08/1060145871467.html
Arms dealer in talks with US officials about Iran
By Knut Royce and Timothy Phelps in Washington
August 9, 2003

(snip)
The immediate objective appeared to be to "antagonise Iran so that they get frustrated and then by their reactions harden US policy against them".

The official confirmed that the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, complained directly to the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, several days ago about Mr Feith conducting missions that went against US policy.

A spokesman for Mr Feith's Near East, South Asia and Special Plans office, which sources said played a key role in contacts with Mr Ghorbanifar contacts, ignored an emailed inquiry about the talks.

The senior Administration official identified two of the defence officials who met Mr Ghorbanifar as Harold Rhode, Mr Feith's top Middle East specialist, and Larry Franklin, a Defence Intelligence Agency analyst on loan to the undersecretary's office.

Mr Rhode recently acted as a liaison between Mr Feith's office, which drafted much of the Administration's post-Iraq planning, and Ahmed Chalabi, a former Iraqi exilegroomed for leadership by the Pentagon.
(snip)

[kentuck]

28. Yep! That's the story...

The same names keep popping up....only moreso with this group in the WH than others...It's like they are the World Mafia...

[RainDog]

33. networks

Chalabi attended U. of Chicago, which was the breeding ground for the neo-cons...Wolfowitz, et al.

what's interesting to me, in a way, is that Bush Sr. turned to Saudi Arabia, who definitely sided with Hitler, and has stayed in biz with them.

and now Junior has advisors who, as in Perle, have ties to Likkud.

Machinations of power...

reminds me of the fundamentalist Christians (also used by Bush and Wolfowitz, etc.) who side with Israel because they think that by doing so they'll precipitate a massive conversion to their form of Christianity, and Jews who don't convert will, oh well, wages of sin, die off en masse.

the one thing they all share in common is a fascist way of governing.

[Stephanie]

59. Asia Times article: Middle East - Iran-Contra, amplified

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH12Ak03.html

Middle East
Iran-Contra, amplified
By Jim Lobe

WASHINGTON - A specter of the Iran-Contra affair is haunting Washington. Even some of the people and countries are the same. And the methods - particularly the pursuit by a network of well-placed individuals of a covert, parallel foreign policy that is at odds with official policy - are definitely the same.

==snip==

Item: Iran-Contra alumnus Michael Ledeen (and close Perle associate) has renewed ties with his old acquaintance, Manichur Ghorbanifar, an Iranian arms merchant who became the key link between the NSC's Oliver North, the operational head of Iran-Contra, and the so-called "moderates" in the Islamic Republic.

To what end? It appears that certain elements in the Pentagon leadership, specifically Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith, are trying to sabotage sensitive talks between Tehran and the State Department on cooperation over al-Qaeda and other pressing issues affecting Afghanistan and Iraq.

They think that Ledeen's old friend Ghorbanifar can help, according to Newsday, which reported on Friday that two of Feith's senior aides - without notice to the other agencies - have held several meetings with the Iranian, whom the CIA has long considered "an intelligence fabricator and nuisance". <more>

[nolabels]

60. Excellent article, the nuts and bolt at the end are very telling

The last four paragraphs

(snip)
Newsday's disclosure that Feith's office has been used for secret contacts with Ghorbanifar suggests that its work goes well beyond assessing intelligence and making policy recommendations.

According to one career military officer who worked for eight months in the Near East/South Asia bureau in that office, the political appointees assigned there and their contacts at the State Department, the NSC and Cheney's office tended to work as a "network" and often deliberately cut out, ignored or circumvented normal channels of communication both within the Pentagon and with other agencies.

"I personally witnessed several cases of staff officers being told not to contact their counterparts at the State or the because that particular decision would be processed through a different channel," wrote retired Lieutenant-Colonel Karen Kwiatkowsky. "What I saw was aberrant, pervasive and contrary to good order and discipline."

In an interview with Inter Press Service, she insisted that her views of Feith's appointees and operations were widely shared by other professional staff, and quoted one veteran career officer "who was in a position to know what he was talking about" as telling her before the Iraq war: "What these people are doing now makes Iran-Contra look like amateur hour."

(snip)

[RainDog]

62. this quote is also notable

Middle East
Iran-Contra, amplified
By Jim Lobe
...The picture emerging from the latest reports about the manipulation of intelligence in the drive to war with Iraq, as well as efforts by administration hawks to deliberately aggravate tensions with Syria, Iran, and North Korea in defiance of official State Department and US policy, suggest a similar but much more ambitious scheme at work.

...Newsday's disclosure that Feith's office has been used for secret contacts with Ghorbanifar suggests that its work goes well beyond assessing intelligence and making policy recommendations.

...retired Lieutenant-Colonel Karen Kwiatkowsky. "What I saw was aberrant, pervasive and contrary to good order and discipline."

In an interview with Inter Press Service, she insisted that her views of Feith's appointees and operations were widely shared by other professional staff, and quoted one veteran career officer "who was in a position to know what he was talking about" as telling her before the Iraq war: "What these people are doing now makes Iran-Contra look like amateur hour."

"I think it's time for a serious investigation ," she said. "I just hope Congress will take it on."

As I said last week, my guess is that Feith was part of the faked intel report about the Niger uranium.

interesting that the reporter also brings up Wilson in this article, and this gang of crooks' obvious attempt to endanger his wife and her work.

the Lt. Col.'s article was in editorials here...from the Houston Chronicle, I believe.

[blm]

19. James Bath, too.

Why do you think many of us who are longtime BFEE watchers are cheering Kerry on? He's already brought up BCCI after 9-11 and in some of his recent Cspan appearances. There's only ONE person who can prosecute the case against Bush and the overall funding of terrorism with encyclopedic knowledge of the all the connections.

[RainDog]

22. I attended my town hall meeting in oct 02

and told my representative that I'd like them to look into funding for terrorism, and that it seemed to me that those who were involved in BCCI are now involved in funding terrorism.

I also wrote Kerry and email and asked him to investigate this issue, as well.

both of those were a while ago. maybe it's getting timely again, with the current meeting between this Bush and all the other crooks, to request that our legislators look into the connections between BCCI principles and terrorist funding.

and ask them to demand the release of those 28 pages and the energy policy task force papers, while they're at it.

[Stephanie]

27. I feel like we should be staging massive protests for 9/11/03

Demanding release of the 28 pages.

[tomp]

55. that and the answers to many other questions.

i'm with you on the demo. how about several hundred thousand holding "? bush"/"?11" signs?

[Stephanie]

57. We need to do it.

We need United for Peace and Justice or some other org to sponsor it. It's time.

[Stephanie]

26. That's really influencing me toward Kerry

Does anyone know where Bath is now?

[seventhson]

29. Kerry white washed Bush out of the report

let them off scot free.

Read the report and see. He gives them a pass all the way to where we are now instead of a go direct toi jail card.

Kerry sucks

[nolabels]

30. Kerry, *, and all the fun times at Yale with Skull and Bones

Check up on that little secret society, I heard there is only like 889 or some members that are alive. Some crazy stuff there
Here are some links to maybe some of it

Are there other things you might have studied or read about?
How about some of these links
http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm
http://falloutshelternews.com/BushHitlerLinks.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/05/robbins.htm
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm
http://www.media-criticism.com/CIA_Whiteout_1999.html
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/history/vonBraun/Moving.html
The Phase III Report Of The U.S. Commission On National Security/21st Century
http://gnn.tv/dangerous/
The Nazi Hydra in Fascist America
http://www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.asp#fortune
http://www.lpdallas.org/features/draheim/dr991216.htm
http://propagandamatrix.com/archivebushclan.html
http://www.madcowprod.com/
George Bush: An Unauthorized Biography
"The Rise of Hitler: The Reichstag Burns", The History Place: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/burns.htm

[NewYorkerfromMass]

51. Using S&B to make your arguement only discredits you

so grow up and learn to tell the difference between a college fraternity and real-world, real influence, business relationships.

[blm]

35. That's a lie, seventhson.

The Dems kept Kerry OFF the Senate panel after his investigations because they said he was too hot.

Why are you spreading disinfo?

[sangha]

37. A dirty lie!

Look at the report yourself and do a search for "Bush". There are plenty of references to Bush*

http://fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/

[nolabels]

40. Do we really need to to go through this again?

There is much information on the dirty four which should of ended their careers as Senators at the time. (That got brushed over too)
Wasn't it a surpise that (R)Sen. McCain was in that group

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/spoliticalp.html
NEW CHIEF OF SECRET POLITICAL POLICE
by Sherman H. Skolnick 07/08/01

(snip)
===Mueller, as a top honcho of the Criminal Division, was instrumental in suppressing and/or destroying evidence and scaring off and covering up about witnesses to protect the Bush Family from being exposed in their treasonous role laundering assassination funds and funds of sworn enemies of the U.S., through the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. U.S. Senator John Kerry (D., Mass.) headed a subcommittee investigating dope and weapons smuggling and terrorist activities. In a heavily censored and watered down version of the facts, even the big-time newsfaker, the New York Times, in a story referring to Kerry and Robert S. Mueller 3rd, said "...John Kerry, who was already in his second term as a senator from Massachusetts when the two clashed in 1991 over whether the criminal division, which Mr. Mueller then led, had been aggressive enough in investigating the BANK OF CREDIT AND COMMERCE INTERNATIONAL, a rogue operation that had ties to drug gangs and gunrunning." New York Times, July 6, 2001, in a story by Neil A. Lewis. (Emphasis added.)

Please note. Senator Kerry is no sweet angel. He is an expert reputed blackmailer and cover up artist. He is married to the widow of the late U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania, John Heinz, heir to the ketchup and canned beans fortune. Heinz died in a sabotaged plane crash in 1991, just as he was planning to expose U.S. government complicity in several domestic and foreign political assassinations.

As to the infamous BCCI, Sen Kerry himself had a conflict of interest in that he headed a group of U.S. Senators who accepted campaign funds from the worldwide spy-money laundry-murder machine BCCI. Kerry's subcommittee refused to delve into the highly pertinent Chicago branch office of BCCI and their Chicago twin, a branch of Italy's largest bank, owned in part by the Vatican, Banca Nazionale Del Lavoro, BNL.

George W. Bush the tainted OCCUPANT and RESIDENT of the White House, chose Mueller to head the FBI. Mueller has repeatedly demonstrated to the satisfaction of the criminally inclined, treasonous Bush Family, that Mueller obediently follows Bush Family orders to whitewash their criminality and treason. The established FBI pattern of covering up political assassinations, falsely blaming bombings onto domestic dissidents, and such, will no doubt continue with America's new GESTAPO CHIEF, Robert Swan Mueller 3rd.
(snip)

[blm]

41. Baloney...

The Democrats refused to allow Kerry on the Senate panel after his lengthy investigation into BCCI because he was considered TOO hot.

Tell the truth.

[nolabels]

46. I don't work in those offices in D.C. and really wouldn't know if its ....

"Baloney..." or not. Just cross checking stories


I had the wrong senators, he was not part of the "Keating 5" Senators I stand corrected on that point. But this part about other senators not letting Kerry participate is doubtful though, I think you underestimate these guys. They watch each other backs when need be, or have you not noticed that yet?

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/19rogers.htm

ED ROGERS AND KAMAL ADHAM
Introduction
(snip)
Responding to Congressman's Charles Schumer's call for an investigation of the matter, Counsel Gray purported to mount an inquiry. However, Gray never met with Rogers. Instead, two of Grays's assistants, with whom Rogers was "friendly" called him on the telephone two times each to discuss the matter.(32) According to Rogers, the conversations lasted ten to fifteen minutes each. On November 1, 1991, Gray wrote Congressman Schumer that "Mr. Rogers was not responsible for and did not participate in any matters concerning to BCCI at the White House."(33)
The question, however, is not only whether Rogers had access to information on BCCI at the White House, but whether or not he began the process of negotiating his contract with Adham while he was at the White House. On this point, Rogers provided conflicting and confusing testimony:
Mr. McKean. He was here in March. Did you meet with him then?
Mr. Rogers. Mr. Raphael?
Mr. McKean. Yes.
Mr. Rogers. Yes.
Mr. McKean. You met with in March of 1991?
Mr. Rogers. Oh,no, I'm sorry. I thought you meant --
this is March now.
Mr. McKean. Right.
Mr. Rogers. No, I thought you meant -- I have met with him since this whole thing blew up.(34)
Later in the deposition Rogers also denied having met with Raphael in March, 1992 and after the deposition his counsel wrote the Subcommittee indicating that "Mr. Rogers did not meet with Mr. Raphael in March 1991 or in March 1992."(35) Hotel records indicate that Raphael stayed at the Grand Hotel in March 1991, but not in March 1992. It seems plausible that Rogers could have met Raphael in March 1991: Rogers told the Subcommittee that he gave his notice to the White House in January and Adham needed help as the Federal Reserve Board had just issued a cease and desist order to First American concerning its status vis a vis BCCI. The most logical time for Adham to have sought political influence and access was March 1991.(36)
(snip)
(snip)
Conclusion
Ed Rogers is not a major player in the BCCI scandal, but his involvement with Sheik Adham is illustrative of how the bank tried to buy influence in order to ameliorate its problems. Rogers is neither an experienced businessman nor a prominent lawyer: rather, he is political operative who achieved significant political influence and access by the age of 33, and who sought to "cash in" on those political skills. The story he provided to the Subcommittee of how he came to represent one the most important figures in the BCCI scandal is shallow and unconvincing, but the greater failing and more worrisome aspect in the Rogers affair may be that of the White House inquiry. The columnist William Saffire predicted in November 1991 that the Boyden Gray, charged by the President to investigate the Rogers affair, would "pass along the denials and the White House whitewash will continue."(40) There is nothing in the record that suggests Mr. Saffire's assessment was inaccurate
(snip)

In essence this whole thing was subterfuge, a Red Herring if you will. The dude they went to investigate was a nobody, it worked sort of too. It went on long enough to the point of Clinton getting Elected then it went mute, under the rug, or white-washed. The mere reasons of this being such a political type thing. The old scratch the other guys back type of thing went into play. The people who were working both sides of aisle still had their man in courtesy of the DLC so it didn’t matter.

It does seem strange that Mr. McKean. (staff of Senator John Kerry) did not catch on, seems like he kind of missed the boat, got smoke blown up his butt , if you will.

[blm]

48. Read this and see how the Dems

tried to keep Kerry from rocking the boat. I'm sure Poppy Bush was spreading the blackmail around to keep Kerry down.

The Kerry Committee report reviewed the case, and noted that the man Reagan officials aided was involved in a conspiracy that the Justice Department deemed the "most significant case of narco-terrorism yet discovered."
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm
EVEN BEFORE THE joint Iran-Contra committees were formed, three other committees were already examining charges that Lt. Col. Oliver North's secret contra arms network was funded by illegal drug sales with the knowledge of the Central Intelligence Agency.
By far the most aggressive of the three congressional committees was John Kerry's Subcommittee on Narcotics, Terrorism and International Operations. His aggressiveness paid off, as Kerry was finding significant evidence of contra-connected drug smuggling.
BEFORE KERRY WENT public with his findings, he had attempted to get the Justice Department to act on what he considered compelling evidence of U.S. involvement in illegal activities including contra drug trafficking. On September 26, 1986, Kerry met with Assistant U.S. Attorney William Weld, the head of the Justice Department's criminal division.
Kerry handed Weld an 11-page "proffer," a sworn statement from FBI informant Wanda Palacio that directly implicated the CIA in drug trafficking. According to the minutes, Kerry asked Weld to read the statement and left the room. According to Winer, who stayed in the room with Weld, he "read about a half page and chuckled. I asked him why. He said, 'This isn't the first time today I've seen allegations about CIA agents' involvement in drugs.'
Weld never acted on the Palacio statement or any other evidence gathered by Kerry.
According to former Kerry committee counsel Jack Blum's recent testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee, Weld not only did not investigate but put up an "absolute stone wall" between the Justice Department and the Kerry investigation. "There were stalls, there were refusals to talk to us, refusals to turn over data...Weld put a very serious block on any effort to get information."
...
The techniques of cover-up are old and familiar. For the CIA-contra-cocaine connection they include the narrowly phrased question, the blind inspector, "national security," selective prosecution, and sympathetic officials and media "assets."
It may be useful to examine how public officials and covert operators collaborate to suppress such serious information.
Congressional leaders announced an investigation into North's National Security Council network by the newly formed Iran-Contra Select Committee...But from its inception, it was clear this investigation would be limited and sanitized.
For starters, the Democratic chairs of both committees--Sen. Daniel Inoue and Rep. Lee Hamilton--were falling over one another to assure the public this would not be "another Watergate." As Inoue told reporters, the country "isn't ready" for that. Having thus declared their limits, they turned to an investigator who could limit their vision.
http://www.flashpoints.net/anatomyOACoverup.htm
When congressional leaders chose the members of the elite Iran-contra committee, Kerry was left off. Those selected were consensus-politicians, not bomb-throwers.
The feeling among a disappointed Kerry and his staff was that the committee members were chosen to put a lid on things. "He was told early on they were not going to put him on it," Winer recalls. "He was too junior and too controversial . . .. They were concerned about the survival of the republic."
Even some Democrats "thought John was a little hotter than they would like," says Rosenblith.
http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/062003.shtml

[nolabels]

49. Thanks for the links and I do a remember a lot of that stuff

I can see why you defend him; those are some important points in them articles, but what happened, really. Was John jaded by all this, did he decide to join the Romans. Or was it all before that. This stuff just goes on and on,

Some of the things I still don't get is why Kerry plays ball with * and the DLC, won't disassociate him self with anything to do with Skull & Bones. Also the point with voting for the Iraq invasion and patriot act. I keep on thinking that none these people that parade around the beltway are ever come clean about much of it. Why should anybody trust them?

A couple more good links when I was checking this out

http://www.nationmakers.com/links2.htm

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?index

[blm]

50. Doesn't it say something that even though

Kerry is a member of the DLC that he never let them sway his campaigns or his votes?

How did Kerry maintain a liberal voting record close to Wellstone's? How did he manage to stay liberal while other Dems were governing as compromising centrists and moving further right?

Kerry is an enigma. Stick with the facts of all the issues that concern you and you may come to a different conclusion than the one you adhere to now.
www.johnkerry.com

[nolabels]

52. Okay now I really get it, let me bounce this one off

When they people like JFK, RFK, MLK etc stick their neck and start making a fuss they must of got a real warning close to the bone, but yet ignored it. When people like Kerry and Gore hear the bell they ducked and must of heard some kind of warning. Too many convenient murders lately for someome not to think so.

The outlandishness of how they do it proves this to be true. It is the whole set up, how they do it, modus operandi of which they brag in certian circles. When John P. O'Neill went down this was a very telling point.
If you really don’t think something is going on please explain why a guy that won the popular vote in the last election gets ignored like he did ? It’s in this thread below? Nobody has figured out or really, or had much information to be able to even speculate on it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=147357

http://www.thedubyareport.com/txconnect.html
Texas Connections
Special to The Dubya Report
Updated November 14, 2001

(snip)
In August 1991, Ed Rogers, political director in the administration of George Bush Sr., left his White House position to start a "consulting firm." Rogers partner in the venture was Haley Barbour, political director during the Reagan administration, and later chairman of the Republican National Committee. Within a few weeks Rogers and Barbour received a $600,000 contract with Kamal Adham. When interviewed by the Kerry Committee investigating the BCCI affair, Rogers indicated he had consulted two people concerning Adham's background and the advisability of representing him. One was a Palestinian-American businessman with connections in the Republican party and the Saudi royal family. The other was a National Security Council staffer named Linda Charles, who, at about the same time Rogers left the White House, left the NSC to join a the International Planing and Analysis Center, a "consulting group" headed by Frank Carlucci. Former Deputy Director of the CIA and Secretary of Defense. Carlucci is now, as noted above, chairman of the Carlyle Group.

Rogers subsequently registered with the Justice Department as a foreign agent, and had three meetings with Adham's financial and legal team. Two meetings occurred after Rogers had received notice from Adham's defense attorney, Plato Cacheris, that Adham was under investigation for involvement in the BCCI scandal. The report of the Kerry committee suggests "With no background in business, in criminal law, or in any facet of the law for that matter, the 33 year old Rogers must have accompanied Cacheris for one reason only: his political skills and access."

The story of Rogers representing Adham was reported in the press on October 3, 1991. At a press conference later that month President Bush (Sr.) made an ambiguous statement that he "didn't know anything about the man." Rogers, of course, had been his political director, and Adham had been head of Saudi intelligence at the time Bush was Director of the CIA. Rogers reportedly resigned from the Adham account shortly thereafter, although he refused to discuss whether or not he returned his fee. Representative (now Senator) Charles Schumer called for an investigation by White House Counsel, C. Boyden Gray. Gray nominally mounted an investigation, but never met with Rogers himself. Instead, two assistants who were friendly with Rogers discussed the matter with him by phone. Gray wrote Schumer on November 1, 1991, that "Mr. Rogers was not responsible for and did not participate in any matters concerning to BCCI at the White House." This leaves open the question of whether Rogers may have negotiated his "consulting" contract with Adham while still at the White House. The Kerry committee report concludes its section on Rogers that while Rogers testimony was suspect" the greater failing and more worrisome aspect in the Rogers affair may be that of the White House inquiry. The columnist William Saffire predicted in November 1991 that Boyden Gray, charged by the President to investigate the Rogers affair, would 'pass along the denials and the White House whitewash will continue.' There is nothing in the record that suggests Mr. Saffire's assessment was inaccurate."
On October 3, 2001 the Senate confirmed Dallas attorney Robert Jordan as ambassador to Saudi Arabia. With no diplomatic experience, Jordan's qualifications include having defended Dubya in an SEC insider trading probe of the sale of his Harken Energy Corp. stock. Jordan is a member of the lawfirm Baker Botts. Former Secretary of State James A. Baker III is the Baker in Baker Botts, and The Carlyle Group is a client.

Former director of the F.B.I.'s New York counterterrorism office, John P. O'Neill, is quoted in a new book by French security expert Jean-Charles Brisard as saying, "All the answers, everything needed to dismantle Osama bin Laden's organization can be found in Saudi Arabia." As reported in the Times the book, "Ben Laden: La Vérité Interdite," suggests that "Saudi support for Mr. bin Laden has been extensive." O'Neill was apparently frustrated at "the inability of American officials to get anything at all from King Fahd," of Saudi Arabia, and although the Times does not provide details, O'Neill reportedly ascribed this failure to "oil." During his term with the F.B.I, O'Neill worked on the investigations of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1998 bombings of embassies in Africa, and was leading the investigation of the USS Cole in Yemen. O'Neill had complained to Brisard that the F.B.I. was hampered in its international investigations by State Department interference. O'Neill resigned from the F.B.I. in August of this year to become head of security at the World Trade Towers. He was killed in the the September 11 attack. (snip)

[blm]

53. Hmmm...now you gave me something to consider.

I never thought that Gore or Kerry were scared of the BFEE. But, I see what you mean about "ducking" to live to fight another day.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

54. absolutely a valid strategy

don't write it off on anyone- Kerry, Gore, Clinton (both), Daschle. If you're dead (or politically washed up) you are of no value to the cause.

[sangha]

45. More bull

Your cite claims that Kerry had a conflict with BCCI. You fail to mention that Kerry investigated BCCI anyway.

Oonce again, anyone who wants to verify that nolabels is lying about Kerry's "whitewashing" the report can see it for themselves at the link I posted above.

[Octafish]

68. Hey, SS! Your record's broken. Kerry FOUGHT the BFEE.

And the record is perfectly clear on how Kerry — almost singlehandedly — went after Ollie North and VP Bush's drug-running and the BCCI terror links. And he got stonewalled by the Justice Department from Bush 1 to Bush 2.

Funny. You always say the same thing, over and over. Why? Could it be you don't want to see the Bush Organized Crime Family brought down? Again, why?

[blm]

38. very dodgy fellow...

Some of us are on alert if his name happens to pop up. I think they are very careful to keep his name cloaked since 9-11.

[DagmarK]

32. Since you mention Chalabi.......check this out.......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=161034

Maybe a connection to David Kelly???

[Minstrel Boy]

42. unfortunately Bush will get a pass

As you say, BCCI is "very complex and almost incomprehensible for the common citizen." That's one reason why it won't stick to Bush, just as Iran-Contra didn't stick to poppy. (Another reason is that the whoring corporate media won't educate the citizenry about how its trust is abused.)

[blm]

43. except now it links to 9-11 and

the Iraq war. A smart prosecutor can make that case when the American people are focused on him during the presidential campaign in 2004.

[kentuck]

44. Yes, it is different now...

And it may have been OK to protect their Saudi friends before but not now.

[RainDog]

63. Cheney was the ranking repub in the House

who had to sign off on any report about BCCI, btw.

who knows what was deleted because of him.

maybe that got him a v.p. nomination. who knows?

[Stephanie]

64. Undoubtedly he has the goods on the whole BFEE

Otherwise why bother with the ugly SOB?

That's a fascinating detail!

[blm]

72. yes...and it was Cheney who planted stories in the press

that John Kerry was a "conspiracy theory nut."

[nolabels]

75. Which Cheney? there are 8 or 9 skull and bonesmen in family

As far as this source goes, rumor mill, I guess, but some good referance points. This author Harold Meyerson went from the
Prospect to a supposed left wing rag L.A weekly, which was in turn bought out by The L.A. Times. He often made quite a few guest appearances on the local Paciicfica Radio station, durring the attemped corporate takeover.

Has since went to D.C. working there.
Probably more of a disinfo agent, but who knows. I would say he was trying to poo poo the thing here. The referance to the book at the bottom is key, and why is even refereanced

http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/3/devil7.html
Devil in the Details
Conspiracy Nut Nirvana

Issue Date: 3.1.03

If, as Prospect Editor-at-Large Harold Meyerson predicts in this issue, John Kerry emerges as the Democratic presidential nominee next year, we are in for the greatest outpouring of conspiracy-theory ravings since the Freemasons and the Bilderbergs merged to form the Trilateral Commission and took over the world. That's because a Bush-Kerry presidential runoff would pit against each other two members of Skull & Bones -- Yale's famous secret society, for which only 15 college seniors are tapped each year. (Kerry was Skull & Bones class of '66; Bush, class of '68.) And to check out Bush, Kerry and Skull & Bones on google.com is to be plunged into a world where one of the planet's most genuine power networks is magnified into a cosmic center of evil and mystery that the combined talents of Franz Kafka, Bram Stoker and the creators of The X-Files could not even begin to depict.
"A death cult at the heart of the United States establishment" is how the first entry in our Google search describes S&B, and that's just the overture. Of the 124 entries that turned up in our search, the vast majority attribute most of the planet's ills to the conspiratorial dealings of Bones alums. One common allegation is that devil worship takes place behind Skull & Bones' walls, which is nothing if not a neat explanation for why the world has been going straight to hell.

Most of this is silly stuff, but since its founding in the early 19th century, S&B has indeed been a secret society with more than its share of mumbo-jumbo rituals. And its members have unmistakably gone on to personify the American elite. (Although some -- our current president among them -- have made S&B because they were the sons of the American elite.) Members have included William Howard Taft, Henry Stimson, Henry Luce, Averell Harriman, a smattering of Bundys and at least three generations of Bushes. In fact, no serious study of American elites can pass over S&B, which apparently serves chiefly as a breeding ground for guys who end up disproportionately running the world and often screwing it up as well.

Serious S&B researchers -- and there haven't been that many (yet) -- are often impeded by the vows of silence that Bonesmen take (and honor) as to what takes place inside their sanctum. One of the few writers who's actually emerged with some information is Alexandra Robbins, whose Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, the Ivy League and the Hidden Paths of Power chiefly documents that this is one swell breeding pool for masters of the universe. One of Robbins' discoveries is that Kerry supported the decision by the Bones class of '91 to admit women to the society, while Bush's uncle Jonathan led the charge against it. Our current president has never let on which way, if either, he leaned in that battle.
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[seventhson]

66. If you Doubt Kerry whitewashed... read his reports

NOWHERE in his conclusions does he name Bush as a perpetrator or as a principle member of the executive responsible.

THAT, to me, is letting Bush get away with murder.

Skull and Bones is deeply entrenched in the CIA culture and the illegal covert ops destabilizing democracies.

Only one who is unaware of this history could possibly say this information is not damning to Kerry and should disqualify him as a candidate from the mind of any thinking democrat or American.

But I rest on Kerry's proBush votes for the war, for the patriot (sic) act and for the Homeland Security act. If you think that is okay for a dem candidate for Prez then I feel sorry for you.

[blm]

73. So did Wellstone and Kennedy

and Byrd on some of those, so please lump them in with the other BFEE conspirators.

Sheesh...you're selective about what you choose to point to Kerry's association. But, even Al Gore can be proven to be closer to Bush than Kerry. Not that any rational person would conclude that Gore is part of the BFEE.

[kentuck]

74. I remember watching portions of those hearings...

and trying to read up on them. They were almost incomprehensible. It was my impression at the time that Kerry just gave up. It was just too complex to get footing. It was like a maze and still is... But I think he knew something was there - he just could not tie it together.

[Octafish]

67. To Bust Bush: Kerry’s the Man

If you want to bust the Bush Organized Crime Family, you will support John Kerry. He is the only candidate running for President to have actually gone after these gangsters who've terrorized America for 40 long years. For those without the recent history or who weren’t around: GOOGLE Kerry and BCCI, Iran-Contra, Ollie North and/or drugs.

As President, Kerry would tie BCCI, Iraq-gate, contra-cocaine to Bush Crime Family — for starters. Imagine what someone with a mandate from the American voters, backed by the rank and file of the intelligence community and the men and women in the officer and enlisted ranks in the military and the union members of the US would do. Certainly a heck of a lot more than W’s smarmy attempt at covering up 9-11 by naming Henry Kissinger to head the commission.

Back to Kerry: Here’s what the Federation of American Scientists have to say about Senator Kerry and the investigation of BCCI. The CIA and President Poppy Doc Bush did everything possible to stonewall Kerry and buy time to shred away. Sounds familiar with 9-11, where the GOP Congress (backed by their toadies in the Conservative DEM Caucus) has unquestioningly picked up Bush’s bloody laundry.


BCCI, THE CIA AND FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE

Introduction

Excerpt:

On May 14, 1991, Senator Kerry wrote CIA Director Webster to again request the briefing paper on BCCI prepared by the CIA, as well as information on the CIA's own use of the bank. No reply was received in response to this letter from the CIA for over two months, during which BCCI was closed globally following its seizure in the United Kingdom by the Bank of England on July 5, 1991.

In the meantime, cleared staff requested a formal briefing from CIA staff concerning the CIA's knowledge of BCCI's activities. The CIA provided an oral briefing at its offices in June, 1991 at the "secret" level, consisting of very general information concerning BCCI's use by drug traffickers, material which was by then already largely a matter of public record. The briefer provided by the CIA to Congressional staff was unfamiliar with other basic information about BCCI, such as the names of BCCI's shareholders, including former Saudi intelligence chief Kamal Adham, the key figure in BCCI's secret takeover of First American, and the CIA's former principal contact in the Arab Middle East. Further, the briefer also appeared to be ignorant of the principal analytic documents concerning BCCI previously prepared by the CIA and disseminated to Executive Branch agencies, which contained this and other more important information about BCCI.(4)

On July 23, 1991, CIA director Webster replied to Senator Kerry's May 14 request by letter, admitting to the existence of two documents concerning BCCI, which were described as "extremely sensitive" and therefore restricted to being held by the Senate intelligence committee.(5) On reviewing these memoranda, Senator Kerry recognized that the earlier of the two documents, created in early 1986, contained startling information -- that the First American Bank in Washington was secretly owned by BCCI. The distribution list attached to the memorandum indicated that the CIA had communicated this information at the time to the Treasury Department. These was no indication that either Treasury or the CIA had ever advised the Federal Reserve, the primary regulator of First American, of this critical information.

Senator Kerry asked Judge Webster to declassify immediately the fact that the CIA had known as of 1986 that BCCI owned First American, and to begin the process of declassifying the entirety of both memoranda. On July 31, 1991, the CIA advised Senator Kerry that he could reveal the information concerning BCCI's secret ownership of First American, but no other information from the memos. The CIA had not yet acknowledged its own use of BCCI to the Subcommittee, or provided access to any other materials prepared by the CIA concerning BCCI.

…MUCH MORE OUTSTANDING INFORMATION…

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm

[jfkennedy]

70. BCCI-bin Mahfouz-bin Laden Intelligence Nexus

http://www.john-loftus.com/enron3.asp

The Press on the BCCI-bin Mahfouz-bin Laden Intelligence Nexus

About the author: As a former federal prosecutor, John Loftus had an insider’s knowledge of high level intelligence operations, including obstruction of Congressional investigations. Loftus resigned from the Justice Department in 1981 to expose how the intelligence community had recruited Nazi war criminals and then concealed the files from Congressional subpoena. After appearing on an Emmy Award winning segment of 60 Minutes, Loftus has spent the next two decades writing histories of intelligence cover-ups, and serving as an unpaid lawyer helping other whistleblowers inside US intelligence.

[nolabels]

71. Is this bound, published yet, I think explains too much, makes one........

almost stick their head out the window and do a Howard Beale, thanks so much, Everybody should save a copy for in your own personal files and help distribute widely, that way it really can get fleshed out a little better. Don't pull them punches, people got to know
Thanks so much,

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The Israeli government is angered and bewildered over the sudden switch, and has begun to release documents showing prior US knowledge of Al Qaida operations as well as Saudi support for terrorism. As Crown Prince Abdullah's visit to both Bushes in Texas showed, a modus vivendi has been reached.

The simplest explanantion is that both Crown Prince Abdullah and President Bush can blackmail each other over the Taliban pipeline. Both sides have agreed to pretend that they have always been allies in the war against terrorism, and that Iraq is the real enemy.

Mutual blackmail makes a bit of sense. The Saudi intelligence connection was the key to get the Taliban pipeline negotiations going without the CIA or FBI finding out. The Enron political connection to the Bush and Clinton administrations was key to keeping the CIA and FBI off of the Saudis' backs while the negotiations were underway. Messy little details about terrorism were swept under the rug for the sake of the big picture.

The truth is already starting to leak out. It has just been discovered that Enron had purchased huge tracts of land in the Caspian basin, especialy in Turkmenistan, which property is allegedly still on their books. The acerage is enormous, and worthless.
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This would explain why * was so urgent to do the dirty in Iraq. Hey, some one should tell the boys that they are over there dying to protect the Bush family name!

Bring em Home already, Damn it