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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:23 PM
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NPR's take on the prison/torture story this evening was to put some
southern right wing congressman on and ask his opinion. The response was predictable. Jesus, it was like listening to Fox news or something, no counterpoint just left it at that.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:30 PM
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1. Just curious.........
Since you brought it up, what did he say?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:45 PM
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5. The jist was that rummy was so far up the ladder
from "people at the bottom doing these things at midnight all the way in baghdad" that he and his buddies were free from any culpability. Also, the prisoners were basically at fault for 9/11.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:48 PM
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8. Obviously the 9/11-Iraq comparison that is continuously......
harped on is ridiculous, but I still think that Rumsfeld (while not pure by any means), really shouldn't be held directly accountable in this particular case.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:32 PM
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19. Accountability means that the person at the top is accountable.
Simple as that. This happened on Rumsfeld's watch, so it is his fault.

Remember when the Republicans went bananas over Waco? Janet Reno accepted responsibility.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:18 PM
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15. One thing he said was "we've got to 'stay the course'."
Sound familiar?
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:38 PM
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2. NPR=News Prostitutes for Republicans
they shilled for the war and their hands are just as bloody as Fox's
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:44 PM
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4. You honestly see it that way?
I would have to admit that there are times that NPR has pissed me off, but I find that it's primarily due to the fact that someone says something that I disagree with, rather than the overall shape of the programming...when I look at it objectively, I see a station that allows the other side to have a say, rather than actively pushing an agenda in the way that FOX does.

Though I haven't really listened much since on or around March 30th.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:48 PM
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7. It was so far a field that I was waiting for the counterpoint
Edited on Sun May-09-04 09:48 PM by The_Casual_Observer
none was offered. That was it, that was all that needed to be said on the subject.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:54 PM
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9. I think though that was one of the things I liked (at times).........
Edited on Sun May-09-04 09:55 PM by BigDaddyLove
about NPR.

The way I saw it, was that NPR's listenership in general doesn't listen to be spoonfed spin in the same way that FOX fans tune in to get their talking points, and that if you listen to NPR, you tend to be a critical thinker in the first place and can determine on your own what is real and what isn't.

It always seemed to me that they just put out a point of view on something and then left the listener to decide what to make of it, and don't really cheerlead one way or the other. I got to hear the other side of an argument in a conversational manner, rather than having an opinion screamed at me as most cable 'news' shows do.

Maybe it's just me.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:05 PM
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12. Normally I would agree, but typically when it goes this far
either way, they do something about it. It was almost like it was intentional, a big surprise, it bugged me, so I posted.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:06 PM
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13. Fair enough.........
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ColdWarZoomie Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:12 PM
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14. What?
"and that if you listen to NPR, you tend to be a critical thinker in the first place and can determine on your own what is real and what isn't."

I listen every day, but I'm just a Parrot.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:25 PM
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17. I wanna TESTIFY!!!
He's right, they're Propaganda. Last week, I caught heavy editing for content in the BBC "Newshour" feed that they air.

Stupid ex-VOA neo-cons must think their listener base is too stupid and lulled into Eddie Bauer complacency to ever think of listening to the BBC over shotwave...
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:35 PM
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20. They are going to shill more
Boo$h a few weeks ago just appointed 2 women Repug wingnuts on the board.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:39 PM
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21. Ok, thanks for that. I really sensed a strange change with it
Edited on Sun May-09-04 10:41 PM by The_Casual_Observer
tonight. That, along with a new found facination with really long boring inner city "success" stories.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:41 PM
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3. He basically said that the torture was nothing
compared to the "psychological Pearl Harbor" of 9/11-which he maintained was "done by" the Iraqis without correction by the NPR host. He said the murders of the mercenaries were similar, and therefore made the torture pale by comparison. Again, the NPR host failed to bring up the fact that the Mercenaries were murdered long after the torture occurred.

More propaganda from the "people's" radio!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:46 PM
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6. I was on the road...
... and heard it too. A Mr. Gingrie (spelling?). Spouting the textbook talking points that wouldn't fool a five year old but must fool an awful lot of Americans.

Please do not waste any more of your money on NPR. They skipped right past "balance" and have landed squarely into "right wing propaganda".
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:57 PM
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10. NPR get's no donations from me...
...here in Florida the neo-cons have had control of the local NPR station for years
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sally343434 Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:01 PM
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11. See my post in "Media"
In an attempt to justify our torturing of Iraqis, the puke congressman said, "look what they did to us" referring to 9/11.

See:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=109x8815

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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:19 PM
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16. Thought you were going to say
"put some lipstick on the pig." And they did.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:30 PM
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18. Gingrich's biggest accomplishment (if you side with the devil)
was to starve NPR of federal funds. Now they are beholden to the usual putrescent corporations.
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