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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:17 PM
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Now to Chechnya
We know our news is not connecting dots... on purpose

So I will

1.- This was a command detonated bomb... it took a lot of work to get it in there under the noses of security... and the it was buried in the concrete smells to high haven... you think the ruskies did not have doggies go over the construction lookng for ahem, BOMBS?

2.- This attack was carried out on Victory Day, that is the day the Rusians won their struggle durign the Great Patriotic War against the Fascists... anybody care to tell me what they just told Putin?

3.- Ok separataist, shmetaratists... folks AQ has been involved in the fun and games there for far longer than Iraq... they know the Russians can be defeated, they did it in Afghanistan... so Al Qaida might be involved... you heard it here first before you have them claimiing responsibity (The Age of Sacred Terror, I do highly recomendit)

4.- Who was killed, since CNN is down playing it... the President who was put in there by Putin in very contested elections, welcome to a deepening nightmare for them. Oh did I mention the Commander of the Armies of the Caucasus... only a four star... I know nothing major, a nobody really.

Oh and the final point, and question...

Is this just part of the fun and games in Chechnya? Or is this truly the first shots of a far expanded war? In other words, did Woosely get his wish and this is WW III? He must be tickled pink over this... after all he expects us to win...


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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:25 PM
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1. damn....
Very good points indeed. Perhaps the opening salvo of WW3 will be recognized in hindsight as an event like this rather than as a single apocalyptic moment.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:30 PM
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2. And now I return you to Carly Simon on People
in the Media, after all nothing of importance happened this weekend
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:37 PM
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3. Moscow disappeared in a mushroom cloud today....
Millions are presumed dead. We go now to California to learn how this might affect Michael Jackson's trial on child molestation charges....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:47 PM
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4. LMAO
Have you noticed how they are now breaking from major events to Jacko and the rest of the entertainment? I wonder if the entertainment will stop after the reselection of Bush...
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:55 PM
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5. stop...
...you're scaring me, nadin. Seriously.

But don't stop, because this kind of stuff is pretty fascinating right now. And and mike_c was right about hindsight...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 02:08 PM
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6. Well what led to WW I
was the death of a second rate Duke in Sarajevo. I am sure the
Black Hand was not quite counting on THAT result...

That said, go to your local bookstore and buy "the age of Sacred Terror" required reading these days

And no, not trying to scare you, just that I am amused at how the press keeps going back to the real important events of the day...
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 02:54 PM
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7. Response (apologies in advance--highly unorganized)
We know our news is not connecting dots... on purpose

...And they never will. That's their job, of course. The infoganda isn't meant to inform.

1.- This was a command detonated bomb... it took a lot of work to get it in there under the noses of security... and the it was buried in the concrete smells to high haven... you think the ruskies did not have doggies go over the construction lookng for ahem, BOMBS?

Many members of Kadyrov's gang are actually conscripted resistance fighters that were kidnapped and forced to join the pro-Russian gangs, or else they would disappear (having their mangled bodies blown up with a grenade to hide the evidence) and then have their families attacked. I doubt they give a damn about the little Quisling aside from squeeking by their forced duty and would look the other way if there was any serious attempt on him. He barely survived several past attempts, only because of impatient aim (unfortunately, his bodyguards paid the price for his sins in the past attempts).

This was obviously well-planned, as you say. Apparently, the stadium was being renovated just a couple months ago (after being bombed on multiple occasions by the invaders years before), it is likely that the resistance could have been on the inside of this and planted it then. Ironically thanks to forced conscription policies of the invaders and head quislings (they consider it to be a brilliant propaganda coup), they're everywhere inside of the puppet government. They knew exactly where to put it to specifically target Kadyrov, under his VIP box.

If I didn't know better I'd say that perhaps the Russians finally saw the quisling as too much of a liability and withdrew their cloak defending him, but so much of the weight of their occupation rests on Kadyrov that it would be ridiculous to cripple their puppet dictator in such a time of a permanent and growing resistance. Thus I think it is unlikely to be an inside job from a Putin loyalist. Perhaps dissidents, but Kadyrov has half a million enemies within a 70mile circle around him at any point in time.. the list of "suspects" isn't exactly a short one.

Most of the Russian soldiers stationed on occupation duty are barely trained and poorly paid, damn few of them (aside from the fascist-oriented) want to be there.

2.- This attack was carried out on Victory Day, that is the day the Rusians won their struggle durign the Great Patriotic War against the Fascists... anybody care to tell me what they just told Putin?

Here my answers become more difficult.

Perhaps a message that the government did not wholly defeat the fascists, but rather became them. The Yeltsin-Putin regime has presided over the most sadistic and vicious campaign of violence since the Nazi occupation of Europe, amid rampant and growing sentiments of genocidal racism from the top down.

Personally, I am grateful to the Red Army for smashing the vast majority of Nazi army and doing the bulk of the work bringing the fascists to their knees.

As for the signifigance of the holiday to those on the ground. Looking back, the first "Victory Day" in Chechnya saw the entire nation having been erased at even the height of the war (as Chechen heroes fought on the Front with extraordinary distinction in the Red Army that crushed the Nazis) and the Chechen and other N.Caucasus people crammed into trains bound for Central Asia & Siberia in methods resembling what the Nazis had done to the Jews and other "undermensch". Imagine the Cherokee "celebrating" Columbus Day.

3.- Ok separataist, shmetaratists... folks AQ has been involved in the fun and games there for far longer than Iraq... they know the Russians can be defeated, they did it in Afghanistan... so Al Qaida might be involved... you heard it here first before you have them claimiing responsibity (The Age of Sacred Terror, I do highly recomendit)

Much of what is said of "AQ" presence there is greatly exagerrated if not invented. The Afghans are indeed good friends of the Chechens, mostly because TWO MILLION OF THEM were killed by the Russians and their quisling regime and they kinda sorta know what it's like to have thousands of bombs fall on their cities, and of course sympathize entirely in the fight against the northern aggressor. The few that remain all serve serve under Chechen command, not the other way around.

I suspect this is a response to the killing of Abu Walid a few weeks ago. Kadyrov was already Public Enemy #1 for having sided with the invaders, but it is possible that the priority was bumped up a notch after Ghamdi's death. Abdallah Shamil (Basayev) is wholly capable of erasing Putin's quisling without any help from the outside.

Who is the author of this "Age of Sacred Terror"? There is a whole industry of charlatans cashing in on the latest fad. Fifty years ago they would be trying to scare you with the Communist Menace that hides in your closet and under your bed, waiting to eat babies and puppies.

4.- Who was killed, since CNN is down playing it... the President who was put in there by Putin in very contested elections, welcome to a deepening nightmare for them. Oh did I mention the Commander of the Armies of the Caucasus... only a four star... I know nothing major, a nobody really.

Kadyrov confirmed dead and reportedly about 30 others that were near him, according to the latest AP report at Kavkaz and elsewhere. There is some confusion about the Commander. Some reports say he is dead, others say he is surviving in the hospital.

With respect to the military campaign he presides over, he has much to answer for.

Is this just part of the fun and games in Chechnya? Or is this truly the first shots of a far expanded war? In other words, did Woosely get his wish and this is WW III? He must be tickled pink over this... after all he expects us to win...

The first shots of the "far expanded war" were when Yeltsin & Grachev fired those shots thinking they could crush the Chechens in '94. They learned damn well that they cannot, and their successors are learning that they never will.

I do not mean any insult to you, as your thoughts on this are indeed interesting and I look forward to the continued discussion, but I think you're overstating the value of this event. It is a major loss to the Russian occupation there, but not exactly Archduke Ferdinand. By my books, the daily crimes committed by the occupyers and their lackeys warrant greater concern rather than justice being served against some of the worst figures involved in this.

It is much like the case in Iraq, there are many parallels here.
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