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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 08:19 PM
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Caspian Sea Oil: Iraq war top objective ???
I have recently been reading John Dean’s excellent book, ”Worse than Watergate.” In it, Dean makes the case that Bush is remarkably similar to Nixon in his obsession with secrecy and hidden agendas, and that this secrecy inevitably leads to sinister ends. He also describes Dick Cheney as the real mastermind behind the administration. Dean quotes “beltway insiders”: “Bush {is} the nation’s chairman of the board, Cheney {is} Americans chief executive.”

Before the 2000 campaign, Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, and had a great interest in the oil business. Quoting Dean’s book:

In 1998, after three years in the oil business, Cheney shared with a group of oil-industry executives the essence of this business philosophy. For Cheney, it all boiled down to business: “You’ve got to go where the oil is,” he told them. That meant trading with the enemy, and regimes ruled by leaders who employ unspeakable horrors against their own people proved to be good places to do business. Under Cheney, Haliburton did business with Iraq, Iran, Libya, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, and Azerbaijan…


The BFEE and Cheney were both in the oil business and had previous business ties with middle eastern countries. One of Cheney’s latest projects at Halliburton was buddying up to Azerbaijan’s dictator, Heydar Aliyev, responsible for ethnic cleansing of Azerbaijan’s Armenians. Dean states:

Clearly, Azerbaijan’s oil was irresistible to Cheney. The Caspian Sea area oil reserves are believed by many to equal, if not exceed, the reserves of Saudi Arabia.


It seems clear what their objective is with the current Iraq war: Establish an American beachhead in the middle east from which to conquer oil-rich regions, including the Caspian Sea.

Taking a look at a map of the middle east, and noting the location of the Caspian Sea, Azerbaijan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, it seems transportation of this landlocked oil to the sea will be needed, whether by Iran or Afghanistan.



Quoting the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2297379.stm

… Iran has urged Caspian oil producers to pipe their oil through Iran, despite US sanctions. … There are huge oil reserves in land-locked Kazakhstan, but it is difficult to get the oil to coast for export. … Piping the oil south through Iran and out into gulf is the quickest and simplest route. …


Also, the failed UNOCAL Afghanistan pipeline deal with the Taliban might be the true cause of the Afghanistan war, and would explain why U.S. forces remain in Afghanistan, and our current disinterest with Bin Laden.

With the onset of declining world supplies of cheap oil (“Peak Oil”) this has to be their real objective. What do you think?



Read about the Right-Wing "Master Plan": http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html

Have you read "War is a Racket"?: http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 08:22 PM
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1. Yep...Iran is next...


They will try to get Syria in line without military force..than they will claim that Iran is producing nuclear waepons and they will invade from Iraq.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 08:27 PM
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2. the current bush* sponsored disaster in Georgia is directly related

to this....


Georgia...the country that lies between the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea....the country where hitler sent his troops to march to the Caspian sea...to their deaths fighting to get the Baku oil fields...


Georgia is currently in a major whirling CIA-sponsored disaster....
the American-funded pipeline is running through Georgia...

does it surprise anyone that the BFEE is keeping their whole Georgia crap quiet, even in the british papers....
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:08 PM
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3. Right you are.
Thanks for the good point. It would be nice to find out what backroom deals and threats are being made. ...


"It's the Oil Pipeline, Stupid"
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12548

By Peter Dale Scott, Pacific News Service
March 5, 2002


Deployment of U.S. Special Operations forces to the Caucasus state of Georgia would help enforce a Washington pipeline policy aimed at neutralizing Russian influence in oil-rich Central Asia.

This is the unreported side of the U.S. proposal, which is also about pursuing al Qaeda fighters around the globe. Al Qaeda veterans have reportedly linked up with Chechen rebels on the Georgia-Chechen border.

Though Georgia and Chechnya themselves contain limited oil and gas reserves, their territory is essential to both existing and proposed pipelines to carry oil and gas out of the Caspian basin west to Turkey and Europe.




Read about the Right-Wing "Master Plan": http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html

Have you read "War is a Racket"?: http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:19 AM
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10. And let's recall how hard cheney's fighting to keep his bloody
energy task force papers secret. Bloody indeed. Especially now. If everything in them is on the up-n-up, why is he so adamant about keeping them locked away?
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:45 AM
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17. Secrecy is the highest priority to them
Just like Nixon, they thrive on secrecy. It makes it easy to do whatever they want no matter how illegal or immoral if they can just keep it secret. They classify everything in the name of "national security" to avoid scrutiny. This just encourages corruption.

It's like a rock with all kinds of disgusting things crawling underneath. Time to flip over the rock.

The best thing for us it to let the sun shine in.



Read about the Right-Wing "Master Plan": http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html

Have you read "War is a Racket"?: http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:12 PM
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4. PNAC planned this long ago.
The Caspian pipelines were part of the PNAC goal. No secret, nothing to hide. What fools we mortals be....
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:19 PM
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5. Check out...
http://www.usacc.org/

Look at the officers, and members. You get some nice names there.

We're all going to die horribly.
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makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:28 PM
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6. Oh boy
Cheney, Armitage, Baker .. ain't that some shit. Thanks for the link. Good to have at hand when the next RFE/RL hack piece about building democracy in the Caucasus comes up for discussion.
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:50 PM
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7. John Dean also mentioned the "USACC"
in his book. Thanks for the link, I checked it out. Their "officers" page reads like a PNAC / right-wing "Who's Who?". Mentioned are:

Dick Cheney
James Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu
Richard Armitage
Richard Perle

Also, Executives from BP, Texaco, Conoco, Moncrief Oil, Devon Energy, and Coca Cola.

Creepy.

Noam Chomsky sums up true U.S. intentions in his excellent article "What Uncle Sam Wants":
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html





Read about the Right-Wing "Master Plan": http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html

Have you read "War is a Racket"?: http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:56 PM
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8. Well they sure can't go the 5,222 miles through China.
What a mess these people have made. Who in the hell is going
to want to work with us now? I detest all of them.
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:09 AM
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9. Oh God Oh God Oh God
I have seen evil, and it rules the world! Baker Botts LLP
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:30 AM
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11. Baker Barf Botts = that law firm run by John Milton in 'Devil's Advocate'
Baker Barf Botts *is* the law firm from hell.
-Lori
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:33 AM
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12. look under the trustees
Sam Brownback (R-KS)
US Senator - Brownback is who Howard stern claims is the prime mover Behind the FCC mobilization- he also hails from that strange faithbase funded compound in DC (sorry name escapes me), see Stern's website.

these two are also trustees-Richard Perle
American Enterprize Institute, former Assistant Secretary of Defense


Joseph R. Pitts (R-PA)
US Congressman
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:42 AM
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13. I read that section last evening.
Worse than Watergate is a good book and I highly recommend it.

As I was reading I wondered what the Russians might say about Cheney and the PNAC's oily plans...

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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:42 AM
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14. It's called the Great Game
It's all been a fizzle because the Capsian wells have come up empty.

Given the jump in the price of oil, however, it might be worth their while to rethink their position.

Details here: http://www.angelfire.com/ab/trogl/oilwar
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:31 AM
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15. No, no, no; that's what the AFGHANISTAN war was about
The pipeline deal is why we reopened negotiations with the Taliban after Bush was inaugurated. "We offer you a carpet og Gold or a carpte of bombs."
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:14 AM
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16. Right.
I mentioned this at the end:

Also, the failed UNOCAL Afghanistan pipeline deal with the Taliban might be the true cause of the Afghanistan war, and would explain why U.S. forces remain in Afghanistan, and our current disinterest with Bin Laden.


I think they got thwarted too many times in their plans, so they have decided we need a larger military presence in the area, thus the need for 14 planned new military bases in Iraq.



Read about the Right-Wing "Master Plan": http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html

Have you read "War is a Racket"?: http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
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