HEADS UP 9/11 RESEARCHERS: This is nuts!

[WilliamPitt]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/06/national/06CND-TAPE.html?hp

F.A.A. Official Scrapped Tape of 9/11 Controllers' Statements
By MATTHEW L. WALD

Published: May 6, 2004

WASHINGTON, May 6 — At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said today.

The taping began before noon on Sept. 11 at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, in Ronkonkoma, on Long Island, but it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. quality-assurance manager, who crushed the cassette in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department.

The inspector general, Kenneth M. Mead, had been asked by Senator John McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, to look into how well the Federal Aviation Administration had cooperated with the 9/11 Commission.

The quality-assurance manager told investigators that he had destroyed the tape because he thought making it was contrary to F.A.A. policy, which calls for written statements, and because he felt that the controllers "were not in the correct frame of mind to have properly consented to the taping" because of the stress of the day, Mr. Mead reported.

Another official, the center's manager, asked the controllers to make the tape because "he wanted a contemporaneous recordation of controller accounts to be immediately available for law enforcement," according to the Mead report, and was concerned that the controllers would take a leave of absence immediately, which is standard procedure after a crash.

On the tape, the controllers, some of whom had spoken by radio to people on the planes and some who had tracked the aircraft on radar, gave statements of 5 to 10 minutes each, according to the Mead report.

...more...

Crushed the tape, cut the tape, and dropped it in trash cans all over the building? Homeboy did NOT want anyone to hear what was on that thing.

Wow.

[JohnLocke]

1. WTF?

:wtf:

[RandomKoolzip]

2. I'm guessing that's not SOP for a tape of such importance.....

But whadda I know, I'm just a liberal with an agenda.....

Oh, and "recordation?!?!" What the Heck Ramsey is a "recordation?!"

[trof]

22. You'd be right. Center Manager is the BIG BOSS.

Used to work for the FAA when he was called Center Chief.
A QA guy is much farther down the food chain.
EVERYBODY in the center answers to the Center Manager.
He answers directly to the FAA Administrator, The Super BIG BOSS.

[Parche]

25. FAA

This is big stuff
I have a friend that just retired from the Flight Data Center
in DC
He is an awesome person, and was my start in my love for aviation.

[maveric]

3. This changed me from LIHOP to MIHOP.

They REALLY had something to hide.
Why isnt this in the mainstream????

[WilliamPitt]

4. This is on the front page of the New York Times

Hard to get more mainstream than that.

Look for yourself: www.nytimes.com

[maveric]

21. OMG!!!

I hope that this hangs aroung for a while.

[KoKo]

36. It's not linking me to the NYT's story...5:45 est here. Where did it go?

We all saw it on Yahoo in mid-afternoon. Do you have a better link or was it skipped for more "breaking news?" :shrug:

[JayS]

9. It can't be MIHOP.

MIHOP would require a certain degree of competence. :)

Check out what is going on in my neck of the woods.

____________

Go to http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1846269 for a short but interesting audio clip. Click on "All Things Considered audio" and you can listen in RealAudio or Windows Media.

Also of interest:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040419/ap_on_go_c...

Document: Oklahoma City Bombing Was Taped
By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer
Mon Apr 19, 6:59 PM ET

WASHINGTON - A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene.

"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service reported six days after the attack on a log of agents' activities and evidence in the Oklahoma investigation.

*SNIP*

An entry a day earlier on the same log reported that the security video was consistent with a witness' account that he saw McVeigh's getaway car in the lead before a woman guided the truck to its final parking spot in front of the Murrah building.

"A witness to the explosion named Grossman claimed to have seen a pale yellow Mercury car with a Ryder truck behind it pulling up to the federal building," the log said. The witness "further claimed to have seen a woman on the corner waving to the truck."

A Secret Service agent named McNally "noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the Federal Building and then pausing (7 to 10 seconds) before resuming into the slot in front of the building," the log said. "It is speculated that the woman was signaling the truck when a slot became available."

*SNIP*

[fryguy]

5. quality-assurance manager = smoking man?

the deeper down the rabbit hole we go, the stranger and scarier this all keeps getting....

[LittleApple81]

6. dupe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1542354

[WilliamPitt]

7. Not so much. This has different details

like the specific manner in which the tape was treated. It wasn't just destroyed. It was obliterated.

[bigtree]

14. Good catch

Run with it, man. What about names? Who is this guy and where is he now?

Did the controllers get disappeared?

[hang a left]

56. Great question bigtree!

I wonder if someone can use their skills and find out how many contollers on the east coast came to a hasty demise in the last couple, huh?

[napi21]

8. Any idea if these controllers spoke to the 911 Commission?

I realize their testimony wouldn't have the taped verification, but I think the Comm. would find it very interesting that someone found it necessary to not only destroy the tape, but to put the pieces in DIFFERENT TRASH CANS AROUND THE BUILDING!

[djeseru]

10. Hopefully...

...the Commission reads the NYTimes.

[0007]

11. I wonder what Michalel Canavan knows?

[Cleita]

12. Maybe you should interview these controllers for

eyewitness accounts. This would be almost as good as a tape if all six of them come up with the same story.

[Old and In the Way]

13. So has the FAA quality assurance manager been promoted since he

took this action? I'm willing to bet his career has, coincidently, "taken off" since he took this unilateral action.

I wonder if he bothered to get a DOJ opinion before deciding that this evidence was not of value to the 9/11 investigation?

[VelmaD]

15. Jeezus fuckin' christ

You just can't be paranoid enough anymore.

[slaveplanet]

16. here's somethin fresh

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/050504bombsinwtc.htm

:nuke:

[bigtree]

23. There's one presumptive motive. Squashing the secondary bombs theory talk

Of course he knew what was on the tapes despite his claims that he didn't listen to them.

We need the supervisor's phone records from that day.

[Minstrel Boy]

17. Military special operations commander was head of FAA "security"

From liberalnproud's post in the Late Breaking News thread of this topic:

The head of security for the FAA on September 11th was Michael Canavan, who resigned after only 10 months on the jorb shortly after the attacks. Canavan is a retired US Army lieutenant general, who had been Chief of Staff of the US European Command in Stuttgart, Germany. Canavan has a considerable background in US Special Operations, which, according to the Departments of Defense's Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms, are defined as: "Operations conducted by specially organized, trained, and equipped military and paramilitary forces to achieve military, political, economic or psychological objectives by unconventional means in hostile, denied or politically sensitive areas." In short: operations that are above the law and off the record. Canavan was Commanding General, Special Operations Command, Europe, and Commanding General, Joint Special Operations Command, at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=535331&mesg_id=535633&page=

[hedda_foil]

40. OMG. OMFG!

That's the link in the FAA chain of command right there. MIHOP in spades.

[hang a left]

49. Thanks Boy for that.

:-)

[nostamj]

18. sent to Kyle Hence of CitizenWatch

though I would assume he's seen it.

calling the Jersey Girls!! time to tweak tweety again!!

[Catherine Vincent]

19. One word: Unbelievable!

[Minstrel Boy]

20. Just when ya think you've seen it all,

you realize, you ain't seen nothing yet. Really.

[RBHam]

24. So, when will the "normal" people wake up?

I am sick and tired of being called every name in the book for simply bringing up the FUCKING VOLUMES of inconsistent evidence regarding 9-11.
http://911citizenswatch.org/
http://www.unansweredquestions.org/
http://www.letsroll911.org/

The cover up is so FUCKING OBVIOUS it's terrifying that people who purport to hold brain cells in their noggins simply refuse to see it.

Considering the 9-11 commission's report itself is full of holes,
http://wsws.org/articles/2004/mar2004/comm-m25.shtml
that Michael Moore's film alluding to Bush-Cheney's complicity is being so blatanly suppressed and that the truth behind the official policy of forcing false confessions through torture and humiliation are all coming to a head (you don't think those "should we allow a 'little' torture" trial balloons after 9-11 were innocuous?)...

There is only one SURE way that the Bush Dictatorship can secure power - another terrorist attack that will allow these EVIL BASTARDS to declare Martial Law and to finally put an end to America's grand Democratic experiment.

June 30th - handover of power to governing council.
June 30th - 9-11 commission's report is due
June 30th - Canadian election (what does Paulie Martin know?)

The fireworks may not all be fun and games come this July 4th.

I pray that I'm wrong, and if I'm not, that the American people can see through it. Because by now it must be obvious that only those who seek to AID the Bush Regime would dare to disrupt the coming election.

Be vigilant, my friends. Very vigilant.

[JayS]

26. People will not wake up. You can't compete with...

...television. Watergate would have been a little noticed event had it occurred today.

See my above post for how little people notice that something is really off....even when the government writes it down for you...twice!

[RBHam]

29. OKC is connected to WTCi and 9-11

The same Black Ops crew performed all three.

OKC would have been blamed on bin laden if McVeigh hadn't screrwed up and got caught.

BTW - remember when Ashcroft stepped in and expedited McVeigh's execution? Said, "that's it. all the evidence is tied up!", had a little private confab with his fellow Republican Timmy, and then the "misguided patriot" took the needle for the team. He was treated like a hero by the Media - allowed to have his final words NATIONALLY broadcast.

When will the American people demand justice?

[JayS]

34. "When will the American people demand justice?"

The conspiracy trial is currently underway in Oklahoma. The defense if testifying this week. It will be interesting to see what comes of it. See my post above for the short NPR audio clip. It is pretty bizarre.

I don't think even the Bush administration, or lack thereof, would be crazy enough to let the OK City case go to far though.

[hedda_foil]

42. Bin Laden wasn't the one who was setup to take the fall.

That would be Saddam. Remember Laurie Mylroie's "theory" that Saddam was responsible for both WTC1 and OKC? Mylroie is a pet theorist of the neocons.

[Beam Me Up]

60. I'm not sure Timmy is dead

Neither was Chandra Levy.

But don't pay any attention to me. I'm just a "conspiracy nut".

[hang a left]

61. Sounds juicy.

Got details? Links?

[Beam Me Up]

67. Not really...only 'sort of'...

I do believe there is a story here. Unfortunately what is out there isn't very solid--but it has that 'scent', if you know what i mean:

Susan Carlson, a media witness to the execution (and a friend of missing/dead intern Chandra Levy) said McVeigh appeared to be "still breathing or shallow breathing, even after being pronounced dead, and his eyes remained open."

McVeigh's sister testified at the closed grand jury hearing that he worked for a special forces unit involved in criminal activity. He reportedly trained at the School of the Americas, the CIA's academy for death squads. As a civilian, McVeigh's military mindset remained. He joined the National Guard of Tonawanda, New York. He took a job with Burns International Security Services in Buffalo. McVeigh was assigned to the security detail at Calspan, a Pentagon contractor that conducts classified research in advanced aerospace rocketry and electronic warfare.

http://www.geminiwalker-ink.net/HellMcVeigh.html
- - - - - -

Chandra Levy's body turns up just in time to distract the entire US media from questions about what the Bush administration knew before 9/11. Her body miraculously appears in a wooded area that was thoroughly searched by police officials after her disappearance. It's "discovered" just in time to bounce all questions about Bush right out of the news. >s<

Chandra was not an "ordinary" intern.

Chandra was peripherally involved in the Oklahoma City bombing story as she worked with journalists and TV personalities arranging coverage of Timothy McVeigh's execution.

One of the key figures discussed in previous articles was Dr. Louis Jolyon West. >s<

Dr. West was one of the premiere scientists involved in mind control experiments, supported by the CIA. He worked closely with Sidney Gottlieb, director of the CIA's infamous MK-ULTRA mind control program.

West allegedly visited McVeigh up to seventeen times in prison and may (it is speculated) have been instrumental in persuading McVeigh to remain silent about coconspirators in the OKC bombing.

This becomes plausible when coupled with McVeigh's claim that he was implanted with a (biotelemetric) microchip during the Gulf war.>s<

But West may also have changed the course of recorded history in relation to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

Again in a prison venue, Dr. West "examined" Jack Ruby after his conviction for killing alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald.
>s<

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/chandra_levy.htm

[JayS]

62. Here is what I posted.

Go to http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1846269 for a short but interesting audio clip. Click on "All Things Considered audio" and you can listen in RealAudio or Windows Media.

Also of interest:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040419/ap_on_go_c ...

Document: Oklahoma City Bombing Was Taped
By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer
Mon Apr 19, 6:59 PM ET

WASHINGTON - A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene.

"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service reported six days after the attack on a log of agents' activities and evidence in the Oklahoma investigation.

*SNIP*

An entry a day earlier on the same log reported that the security video was consistent with a witness' account that he saw McVeigh's getaway car in the lead before a woman guided the truck to its final parking spot in front of the Murrah building.

"A witness to the explosion named Grossman claimed to have seen a pale yellow Mercury car with a Ryder truck behind it pulling up to the federal building," the log said. The witness "further claimed to have seen a woman on the corner waving to the truck."

A Secret Service agent named McNally "noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the Federal Building and then pausing (7 to 10 seconds) before resuming into the slot in front of the building," the log said. "It is speculated that the woman was signaling the truck when a slot became available."

*SNIP*

[Selwynn]

39. Bringing up unanswered questions and inconsistencies is not the problem...

..moving from there to stateing matter of factly that therefore Bush made it happen on purpose and anyone else who has the audacity to even consider other possibilities is a bastard is the problem.

As long as you're not doing that - keep up the good work.

[RBHam]

43. But it's OK to FLATLY state it was "Al Qaeda"...

With no evidence that would stand in court?

Where's that "white paper" Colin Powell promised?

Tens of thousands of human beings have died for a lie.

So I'm a little pissed!

[Selwynn]

71. Please point to where I have ever said that.

[hang a left]

50. I really have had this feeling that the "Oct Surprize"

Is gonna be mid-summer.

[KoKo]

27. Oh Yeah! Don and I posted almost simultaneously on this story! In

Editorials and in GD! Amazing and Unbelievable. We are always onto something we DU'ers. Glad to see you're picking up on this.

[KoKo]

32. And, the fact that this was put out on Yahoo, says "something's up, here."

The Bush Dam is springing gushers. Not enough fingers to plug the holes.

This article is so interesting with what it says and the inferences, says there's more out there and they are "testing the waters." imho.

[Sophree]

35. And finally the media has something dramatic to report.

(Like document shredding) Guilty behavior/evidence of a cover-up that's simple enough for "the People" to understand.

[trof]

28. Note that the Center Manager ordered the tape made.

He/she is El Supremo in an air traffice control center.
The QA guy should be in deep doo-doo.

[RBHam]

31. But he's not - you notice.

No doubt George W has sent him a note of gratitude.

He was saving the Presidency.

[calimary]

30. MAN! That sound you hear is that of the little hairs on the back of my

neck - standing straight up.

Gettin' chills, Will...

[RBHam]

37. Finally!

The hairs on the back of my neck sttod up when I read "The Grand Chessboard" by Brezhinski.

Another Pear Harbor, indeed!

[ElementaryPenguin]

33. MIHOP - beyond any doubt for me!! Bastards!

:puke:
:argh:

[Selwynn]

38. Beyond any doubt, huh...

I don't have that much faith in my own senses, let alone MIHOP....

[ElementaryPenguin]

52. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not ANY! I only wish I wasn't so sure! It's fucking sickening!

:puke:
:mad:

[Selwynn]

73. What do you base your "sureness" on, seeing as how nothing..

..is ever an absolute certianty, only varying degress of "likely"

[Sophree]

41. Did they have the 911 Commission

session about the (lack of) Air Defense already? Was it even televised?

[Old and In the Way]

44. I suspect it was the tapes were destroyed because of comments

regarding the lack of AF reaction as anything to do with the flights themselves.

[Sophree]

47. Or perhaps specific

inconvenient facts about times- what time they knew a flight was hijacked, when they notified the FAA, etc.

But does anyone know what is going on with the 911 Commission and the Air Defense portion of the investigation? Last I read, it was supposed to happen last week? I haven't read or heard anything since.

[LittleApple81]

45. Randi Rhodes talked about this as the last part of her program today.

I hope people jump all over this.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. FOLKS TOO MUCH is coming out

the new Pearl Harbor has now gone into the MIHOP category...

Oh and I remember OKC, we stopped at Dallas, and the crowd was going

ARABS did this, I turned to my sister and said, NYC, Chigaco, LA, I'd buy it. OKC this is INTERNAL Terrorism.

[1amc]

48. Heads Up

Look at http://www.letsroll911.org/ it explains a lot.

[MrSlayer]

51. Yes and we who believe MIHOP are nuts right?

I've seen MIHOPers called crazy, retarded, out of touch with reality and a host of other things on this site but the fact is we are right. They love to call you crazy right up until the truth comes out, then you become a prophet. More and more evidence comes out everyday.

[Must_B_Free]

58. I get saner and saner each day, huh?

I am a proponant of the conspiracy angle.

It's really not hard to guess what's going on if you look at history and see that people in the highest places of power are addicted to power and will do ANYTHING for it.

[Solomon]

53. They don't want us to hear the pilots yelling, "I can't control the plane"

[ElementaryPenguin]

55. My first thought, Solomon!

:puke:

[Minstrel Boy]

57. The same reason the black boxes of all planes which hit their targets

were "destroyed" in the crashes.

[scrotim]

54. Isn't it likely the manager was directed to do this from above? n/t

[knight_of_the_star]

59. If that can be PROVEN

Specifically WHO gave the order will matter of course, but if PROOF can be found for that, then put a fork in Bush, because he is done.

[Junkdrawer]

63. Email address of the 9-11 commission:

[e-mail]

[Stephanie]

64. Who were the air traffic controllers?

What are their names? Interview them, depose them!

[paulthompson]

65. what were they hiding? Try this for starters

This was a rare leak just after 9/11 and before the wall of silence came down completely (traffic controllers were threatened with prison terms for talking to the press). Can anyone say Flight 93 shoot down? If that were true that would be a scandal since so many gvmt agents were hooked into the calls from the passengers saying they were planning on taking over the plane 20+ minutes before it crashed.

The official story from NORAD is that the closest fighters were 11 minutes and 100 miles away when Flight 93 crashed.


FAA Worker Says Hijacked Jetliners Almost Collided Before Striking World Trade Center

by Albert McKeon
The Nashua Telegraph
September 13, 2001

http://www.unansweredquestions.net/timeline/2001/nashuatelegraph091301.html

The two hijacked jets that sliced into the World Trade Center nearly crashed into each other before reaching New York City, according to a Federal Aviation Administration employee who works in the Nashua control facility.

...

Controllers have also learned that an F-16 fighter closely pursued hijacked United Airlines Flight 93 until it crashed in southwestern Pennsylvania, the employee said.

Although controllers don't have complete details of the Air Force's chase of the Boeing 757, they have learned the F-16 made 360-degree turns to remain close to the commercial jet, the employee said.

"He must've seen the whole thing," the employee said of the F-16 pilot's view of Flight 93's crash.

[ljm2002]

66. But wait, there's more...

...from the article:

'The quality-assurance manager destroyed the tape between December 2001 and February, 2002. By that time, he and the center manager had received an e-mail message sent by the F.A.A. instructing officials to safeguard all records and adding, "If a question arises whether or not you should retain data, RETAIN IT."'

So this guy did a real professional job of destroying evidence that he had, in effect, been instructed to keep. Mr. Quality Assurance Manager sure had no trouble "assuring" that the data on that tape was unrecoverable... wonder where he acquired *that* expertise? Some possibilities that spring to mind: CIA, FBI, military intel.

[dusty64]

68. I'm sending this article

to everyone I know. I'm outraged there is not ONE word of this in my local propaganda rag! Did this get on any of the network "news" last night?

[rebellious woman]

69. Air Force 1 on that tape I wonder ?

[Minstrel Boy]

70. Air Force One wouldn't have been in their air space. n/t

[proud patriot]

72. This article made my local paper

page A10 but it was there .