N. Korea next to hear U.S. war drum!

[DoYouEverWonder]

This misadministration is insane and must be stopped! This is what is going down at Crawford this week. This is Rove's new product for roll out after W's summer vacation. We need to pre-empt this idea as soon as possible. If we don't stop this insanity, life as we know it will never be the same.


The Globe and Mail

Thursday, Aug. 7, 2003


Beijing — A senior Pentagon adviser has given details of a war strategy for invading North Korea and toppling its regime within 30 to 60 days, adding muscle to a lobbying campaign by U.S. hawks urging a pre-emptive military strike against Pyongyang's nuclear facilities.

Less than four months after the end of the Iraq war, the war drums in Washington have begun pounding again. A growing number of influential U.S. leaders are talking openly of military action against North Korea to destroy its nuclear-weapons program, and even those who prefer negotiations are warning of the mounting danger of war.

<snip>

Military conflict in the Korean peninsula could trigger a catastrophe, not only because of the suspected presence of nuclear bombs in North Korea, but also because of the 11,000 North Korean artillery weapons along the border that could inflict death and destruction on millions of people in the South Korean capital, Seoul, which is within artillery range of the North's guns.

<snip>

The plan would include 4,000 daily air strikes against North Korean targets, the deployment of cruise missiles and stealth aircraft to destroy the Yongbyon nuclear plant and other nuclear facilities, the stationing of U.S. Marine forces off the coasts of North Korea to threaten a land attack on Pyongyang, the deployment of two additional U.S. Army divisions to bolster South Korean troops in a land offensive against North Korea, and the call-up of National Guard and Reserve units to replace U.S. combat forces that are currently bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[leftchick]

1. omg....they are truly insane!!!!!

Where the hell are the US rags on this story?! :scared:

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. We need to get it out there

Please send this to anyone and everyone who matters.

Thanks.

[PaDUer]

3. Start mass mailing...

everyone you know including your local media...State rep's are beginning to talk about what's coming down next...State rep's are beginning to talk w/ seniors, however, do the people realize what's really happening? * numbers are down in the polls and they're desperate plus we're coming up quickly on the anniversary of 911..

[DagmarK]

4. Not to worry......we'll be in and out by Christmas.......no problem!

""We believe the use of air power in such a war would be swifter and more devastating than it was in Iraq," the article said. "We judge that the U.S. and South Korea could defeat North Korea decisively in 30 to 60 days with such a strategy."

Okay......if there is anything that could possibly make the majority of Americans take to the streets and demand impeachment...this must surely be it.

And surely the reservists and national guard troops would boycott this bullshit. "here, you temp, emergency-only troops hold down the fort in Baghdad, the rest of us are headin' for the Koreas....."

oooooo, radiation leaks......:

"They acknowledged the risk that U.S. military strikes could trigger an explosion of radiation from North Korean nuclear plants, along with massive artillery attacks against Seoul by the North Korean heavy guns that are hidden in hardened underground bunkers on the border.

But U.S. cruise missiles and stealth aircraft could launch precision bombing attacks that would "minimize radiation leakage" at Yongbyon, while also sealing shut the underground bunkers where the artillery pieces are hidden, they said."

AND MORE OF THE SAME LANGUAGE: days, not months!:

""The world has weeks to months, at most, to deal with this issue, not months to years," Mr. Woolsey and Lt.-Gen. McInerney wrote."

BUT THE IMMINENT THREAT ISN'T FOR THE USA, this time it's the WORLD!!!

ONE QUESTION: What does the UN think about this??????

[Walt Starr]

5. OMFG, we now know what the new product will be

Expect them to start hammering about going to war with NK in September. This is the new product.

I pity the Japanese as they will once again experience nuclear devesation on their islands.

South Korea could end up being a total wasteland for the next 100,000 years or so.

All of this assumes that NK actually has nuclear weapons. I wonder if they've actually discovered oil there......

[DagmarK]

6. Kim il Jong really shouldn't have been so belligerent........

Doesn't he know that the USA is headed up by not just ONE madman like himself, but an entire hornet's nest full of pissed off, indignant madmen????

"nobody is predicting an imminent diplomatic agreement, especially after North Korea denounced a U.S. negotiator as a "bloodsucker" and "human scum."

What were they thinking? That an insult would just go unanswered?

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. NK is not Iraq

NK does have an airforce and they have not been inhibited by a no fly zone for the last 12 years.

NK does have a Navy and so our aircraft carriers, that would be required for launching this massive airstrike, are much more vulnerable to attack than they were in the Gulf, where Iraq had no naval capabilities.

And NK does have an huge army of people who are willing to die for their leader.

Keep in mind, that we have over 30,000 American troops already in SK, and our allies in SK and Japan will be the first targets, of NK's reaction to any attack.

[Walt Starr]

9. IIRC, NK has 1,000,000 people in the army

We won't be just rolling over NK.

The IRR has already been being called up, albeit just a few officers, so they have started to scrape the bottom of the barrel just to support the Iraq war.

If NK is invaded, I guarantee you there will be a draft within 6 months of the start of hostilities. We simply do not have the manpower to start a war of aggression against NK.

If China gets into the mix, it could end up being the end of the world.

[DagmarK]

14. What is IRR???

The draft? Heck.....that would come out the first week of September when Congress reconvenes. There's a nice little bill already sitting on the shelf.....

And under such 'emergency' conditions.....it will get a unanimous vote and signed with zero discussion.

So.......I bet there are a lot of repukes with draft aged kids out there.

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. I see you get the big picture

This is just too perfect a solution, to fill Bu$hCo's needs, for the next major distraction. What would be more distracting than nuclear war. You could be damn sure, that Niger and Wilson's wife and all their other troubles, like the economy and environment will be wiped right off the radar screen if we go to war with NK. Iraq, who?

What makes the situation even more dangerous is that this gang always hopes for the best and plans for the best, and will ignore anything or anyone that poo-poos their great ideas. The level of their arrogance and ignorance is endangering the entire planet.


Here's a link to write you representatives. We need to make this a major issue now, not next month when it will be too late.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

[DagmarK]

13. Not to mention.....the NK armed forces can't be bought off.......

there's always that......

And every man, woman and child would be forced to fight for their country.

What does SK think about these war drums, I wonder?

And, more importantly, what does Russia and China think (now that they have a nice little alliance?)

[DagmarK]

8. Okay, we need to petition the UN to ask for Sanctions against USA!

What if some other country said.....Okay, The USA is planning to make "usable nukes".....and we are months away from a world threat from the USA. We need to invade and shut them down.

And let's say that country DID invade the USA.

Would this not be an act of aggression??? And the UN would impose sanctions and other measures to STOP such an invasion.

So......WHY is the USA allowed to be a rogue state?

Oh......this is definitely something that HAS to go to the UN on the part of an international contingent...

Damn........for months I have been saying that we need an International anti-war network put together -- so that when this insanity comes up, we could all take to the streets in unison..... (it pains me to see how utterly un-unified we are in this movement. UGH!)

[DagmarK]

12. Kofi is actually coming out against unilateral pre-emptive strikes.......

This article originally published in: Frankfurter Rundschau online July 31, 2003 is translated from the German on the World Wide Web,
http://www.fr=aktuell.de/startseite/startseite/?cnt=261748

The world order has fallen into a crisis in the opinion of UN General Secretary Kofi Annan through the Iraq war and conflicts in Africa. The international system and institutions like the UN must be reinvented. For the first time, US president George W. Bush assumed personal responsibility for controversial misstatements against Iraq that the country sought to buy uranium in Africa.

New York/ Baghdad, July 31, 2003

The United Nations was forced to an outsider role by the Iraq war, Annan grieved Thursday in New York. “What are the rules when we consider allowing preventive strikes or wars as a response to these new threats?”, Annan asked. Who makes the decision? “Was Iraq only an exception? Or is it a precedent for others?” The UN chief proposed that leading statesmen discuss these questions at the next general debate of the UN General Assembly in September.

Annan said the answer of the international community to the single-handed effort of the US in Iraq is “loud and clear. The UN and multilateralism are vital for us.” According to Annan’s perspective, the community is only ready to help the allied occupiers in Iraq with a clear mandate of the UN Security Council. “We need a second resolution before we risk our lives in Iraq.”

See article for more........

***we just might have a snowball's chance in hell to get the UN security council to take action against these threats against NK as well as forcing the US to step back from occupation and control of Iraq.

[carrowsboy]

10. Let 'em do it

Seems like some people (i.e. American voters) need to be taught a lesson.

[Walt Starr]

11. If they do it, then a draft will have to be called

And it won't be any minor sort of draft like during Vietnam.

They will need to fill more than 1,000,000 positions to be capable of sustaining a ground conflict on the Korean conflict, and a ground conflict will be necessary. There are simply too many anti-aircraft batteries and NK has not been pummeled for the last 12 years.

Going into NK could end up a slaughterhouse for U.S. troops.

[DagmarK]

15. There's no money in the US Treasury.......

We would have to take out loans (or whatever it is called where we get money from other countries).

Personally, I think the USA needs its credit cut off!

[DagmarK]

16. I almost feel the same carrowsboy........

Give 'em what they paid for.........

But it feels pretty precarious sitting over here on the west coast.....

[chenGOD]

22. You think it looks precarious on the west coast.....

you should try being here in Seoul. When i read this kind of article, I wish that the rest of the world would wake up. As much as I wouldn't want any more economic suffering to happen to American people, your administration and the corporations that control it need to be sanctioned and fast. The rest of the world needs to switch to euros or gold and stop all trade with America.

There was a little rally today in a park near my place here in Seoul, it was about the uniting of the 2 Koreas, and they had lots of drawings by elemnetary school kids. They also had lots of posters denouncing Bush and Wolfowitz.

I hate saying this because I know quite a few really nice American people through my time in Korea. But goddamn, I'm way more scared of Shrubco starting shit than Kim Jeong Il.

[DagmarK]

28. Oh goodness ChenGod......you *are* in a precarious position.....

Hey, I don't fault you or even dispute that the USA needs to be cut off at the knees economically and through the UN.

Far be it from MILLIONS of Americans to stop this run-away crazy train...

Peace to you!

[ILeft]

18. Woolsey, Wolfowitz, and the rest are leading us straight to Hell

They keep cutting off options until the only course of action is their own insane, fantastic, vile plan. "If" they send their military (it's not ours anymore) into the DPRK, they WILL find a way to use nuclear weapons. They have been preparing the world for it for 2 years now. When they do, we can all say our goodbyes to the world we knew.

[TreasonousBastard]

19. The part about "losing control"...

is salient.

They have no idea what they're doing over there, nor do they have any idea what will happen to South Korea and Japan should any hostilities start.

They seem to also be ignoring China's recent moves against Taiwan. China seems to be waiting for the appropriate moment to reincorporate its "lost province," and a new Korean war might be just the time.

China doesn't fear us. They are not Afghanistan or Iraq-- there are over a billion Chinese in an area larger than the US. Our overextended volunteer military might be able to take Hong Kong for a week or so...

I suspect they are gambling that we won't nuke them over Taiwan or N. Korea, but I also suspect that they will accept the risk. Mao once said publicly that the loss of a few hundred million Chinese in a nuclear attack was OK with him. That thinking may not have changed much.

[DagmarK]

21. Heck, the USA will give China an overt green light to take Taiwan ......

Oh...that's just a price you pay for the war wish.....

And Australia can take whatever they want in the S. Pacific.

Oh, it will be a free-for-all.

And we knock out the Japanese inadvertently...woops there goes the asian economy (better for us).

And, the EU will have no choice but to join us.....


Oh......I can't believe I didn't see this one coming. It's a win, win, win, win, win for the US warmongerers.......

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. Here's the Brain Trust

Planning their next surprise for their Shock and Awe campaign. Bagdad was not the first time they used S&A, 9-11 was the 1st. What they are planning for this Sept or Oct will make 9-11 look like a car bombing.

[Karenina]

23. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

.

[FoxNewsIsTheDevil]

24. I have no problem with this

You think the people of North Korea would be against this? Don't think so. The NK regime is a true threat to the US and her allies. This would make more sense than Iraq. The key is to take action before NK goes nuclear. Go ask the hundreds of thousands in political prisons how nice Kim Jong Ill is. NK, along with Iran, are principal suppliers of weapons to terrorist groups also.

[SEAburb]

25. this is why Clark needs to enter the race

Bush won't try to sell the public on a war with NK if he is looking at facing Clark in an election.

[2cents]

26. I'm not buying it

This smells like an intentional "leak" meant only to yank Kim's chain and ours.

The good ole boys down at the pig farm are gonna have some fun watching and listening to Kim freakout.

While providing a nice little distraction for us.

[Deja Q]

27. Bush will be stopped, one way or another

If not pre-emptively by real saints, his stupidity/arrogance/warmongering will get him in the end. Unfortunately, a great many more will suffer and die because of him*, as if enough haven't already because of his ineptitude OR DESIRE that allowed 9/11 to happen.

[DisgustedTX]

29. Bologna. The * MO is to attack defenseless, sovereign nations

More blustering from the bubbling idiot & crew.

[DoYouEverWonder]

30. No their MO is to destablize every region on the planet

So far they have been sucessful beyond their wildest dreams. And now for their final act and their last chance to grab the brass ring, they need a major, major distraction. Nothing like a little October Surprise to overshadow any other problems that they might be having.