Tonight I said: "You stand with Osama" if you are against the Afgan War.

[trumad]

I'd like to apologize for that statement because it was way to broad. What I should have said is Osama Apologists are a bunch of Fucking idiots!

My Bad...it won't happen again!

[amber dog democrat]

1. Not offended.

By the way, who is apologizing for OBL?
Nobody I know is.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

8. There Are a Couple of Utterly Clueless OBL Apologists Here

It's pretty much right in line with the standard nonsense they spew.

DTH

[bpilgrim]

10. i'm sure they would be banned pdq

i don't think skinner and crew would risk DU being shut down.

got any links?

peace

[DoveTurnedHawk]

11. A Couple Are Still Around

One type is the "OBL was created by the CIA and therefore it's our fault" type of apologist.

Another is the "Don't be silly, OBL wasn't behind 9/11, it was <insert retarted conspiracy theory here>" type of apologist.

Still another is the "OBL is just standing up for Arabs, he's a freedom fighter" type of apologist, but I think I only saw that once and I do seem to recall that person was banned pretty quickly.

Apologists come in all shapes and sizes.

And while I do have one or two links, I don't want to call anyone out specifically, since that would be against the rules. But they know who they are.

DTH

[bpilgrim]

12. just a couple, though no links... and no banning?

maybe your emotions are getting ahead of your judgement on this issue :shrug:

peace

[DoveTurnedHawk]

15. I Said "Couple" All Along

And I explained why I am not including any links.

Maybe you should check your own judgment, BP.

DTH

[Wonk]

18. He wasn't?

One type is the "OBL was created by the CIA and therefore it's our fault" type of apologist.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/project.jsp?project=911_project

[DerekG]

2. Your vitriol is despicable...

We are opposed to a 60 year-old foreign policy that consists of carpet-bombing civilian populations. Or do you rejoice that the death total in Afghanistan has surpassed the number of innocents killed on September 11?

Do you derive pleasure from the destruction wrought in Dresden and Hamburg, or Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

I DON'T--AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME A HITLER OR TOJO LOVER!

[trumad]

13. What..are you Daffy Duck...?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

14. You just accused someone of rejoicing in death

:wtf:

[bigtree]

3. How did we manage to identify those responsible for 9-11 from the innocent

as we dropped our bombs on Kabul? Didn't Bin Laden get his funding from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? Why did Afghanistan get flattened, invaded, and occupied outside of some blood revenge? Wasn't our attack there off target? Why did the Taliban get the brunt of blame for 9-11 when it was clear that bin Laden got most of his support elsewhere?

PAKISTAN'S SUPPORT OF THE TALIBAN
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/afghan2/Afghan0701-02.htm

Saudi Arabia's Teachers of Terror
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7405-2003Aug17?language=printer

[seabeyond]

4. lol lol lol trumad

a man that can suck up and apologize. hey a step ahead of bush. that is a good thang.

[oblivious]

5. We aren't osama-apologists

We just want proof before our countries engage in the mass slaughter of thousands of innocent people who never did America or its allies a lick of harm.

Is our demand so evil? Or are you just another cog in the propaganda campaign?

[markomalley]

6. If you call this being an "Osama Apologist"

see this post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1529618&mesg_id=1529852

If you call this being an Osama apologist, then fine. But don't call me a fucking idiot.

[LittleApple81]

7. I think you must be drinking too much coffee lately. Your posts are

becoming over caffeinated.

[bpilgrim]

9. did O'Really say that AGAIN?!

cancel cable - it's bad for your mental health

peace

[leftofthedial]

16. Osama is apparently a murderous fundie muslim asshole

who deserves to be brought to justice.

I'd still like to see a shred of proof supporting the bushgang cover story for 9-11 before I start lynching people.

[eridani]

17. The US has been an enabler of OBL

But that by no means lets him off the hook. The US support of whacko Islamic fundies as weapons against the Soviets was an abominably stupid idea.

http://emperors-clothes.com/news/abc.htm

In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation.

Published in the dominant Afghan languages of Dari and Pashtu, the textbooks were developed in the early 1980s under an AID grant to the University of Nebraska-Omaha and its Center for Afghanistan Studies. The agency spent $51 million on the university's education programs in Afghanistan from 1984 to 1994.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Archive/CIA_Created_Osama.htm

According to Ahmed Rashid, a correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review, in 1986 CIA chief William Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI proposal to recruit from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. At least 100,000 Islamic militants flocked to Pakistan between 1982 and 1992 (some 60,000 attended fundamentalist schools in Pakistan without necessarily taking part in the fighting).

John Cooley, a former journalist with the US ABC television network and author of Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, has revealed that Muslims recruited in the US for the mujaheddin were sent to Camp Peary, the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where young Afghans, Arabs from Egypt and Jordan, and even some African-American “black Muslims” were taught “sabotage skills”.
The November 1, 1998, British Independent reported that one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, had trained “bin Laden's operatives” in 1989.

These “operatives” were recruited at the al Kifah Refugee Centre in Brooklyn, New York, given paramilitary training in the New York area and then sent to Afghanistan with US assistance to join Hekmatyar's forces. Mohammed was a member of the US army's elite Green Berets.
These camps, now dubbed “terrorist universities” by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including the tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers.

Tom Carew, a former British SAS soldier who secretly fought for the mujaheddin told the August 13, 2000, British Observer, “The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism — car bombing and so on — so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns ... Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate.”

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