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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:14 PM
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Hamill is now a "hero"????
Is there a more overused word in the English language???

Thomas Hamill, Halliburton truck driver and former hostage/POW, is now being referred to as a HERO?? I'm as glad as anyone that he is now free, but a HERO?? Did he save ANYONE'S life? What exactly did he do that was heroic? He managed to escape from captivity, i.e., he walked away from an unlocked room, got thirsty in the desert, went back to captivity, walked away again. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's free. BUT A HERO???

Please.

Bake
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:17 PM
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1. I guess we are trying to find hero's in this debacle in Iraq. Just like
the Jessica Lynch story.
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:17 PM
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2. He's no hero.
Please! He's just another capitalist pig trying to make a buck out of the Iraqi people's disgrace. A pig will always be a pig.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:25 PM
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7. He might not be a hero

But I would hardly call him a "capitalist pig" either. He is simply a guy who found himself in the position of needing to find a way to support his family after rethuglican economics ravaged his family business. His wife had medical problems and bills piled up to boot. So like many of us in the current economy, he found himself faced with a Hobson's Choice to try and take care of his family's needs.

While he may not be a hero to the nation in any sense, I am sure he is a hero to his family for putting himself at risk trying to take care of them.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:39 PM
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12. I'd agree with that
The rampant loss of family dairy farms in comparison with those megamilking conglomerates resulted in that guy volunteering to over to Iraq.

Big problem I see is people without means are considering going to war/going into the military as a viable option because of the lack of meaningful employment.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:03 AM
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14. tell him what he's won, Bob!

You hit the nail right on the head. Who needs a draft when they can starve people into signing up?
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MissRegina Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:19 PM
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3. Any Soldier Who Puts His/Her Life on the Line
Edited on Mon May-03-04 11:20 PM by MissRegina
to protect our country is a hero. God bless 'em all.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:21 PM
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4. I don't believe he is a soldier...
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:22 PM
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Another definition of a "hero"
from my father, who fought in Saipan and Okinawa with the Marines in WWII is "the heros didn't come back."
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:24 PM
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6. He was a truck driver, a private contractor, employee of
Halliburton. He was not a soldier and he was not a hero.

He was VERY, VERY, VERY LUCKY! Glad he made it
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:08 AM
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15. Protect our country?.......WTF??
How, by any stretch of the imagination are they protecting our country?

They are invaders, storm-troopers for the 21st century.



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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:10 AM
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17. A carpetbagger, not a soldier.
It's claimed he's a truck driver. In our eagerness to "liberate" Iraq (from their oil) we don't seem to be able to find Iraqis that can drive a truck? Sure. Right.

BUcLoLuSgHhIT!
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 02:43 AM
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20. Unfortunately
We don't have any soldiers left actually doing that. They are all being used to further the private agenda of a small group of sociopathic rich white men.
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 08:20 PM
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24. He's not a soldier
He's a truck driver for KBR. But just out of curiosity, how are the guys that are soldiers in Iraq protecting OUR country?
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:22 PM
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5. You knew it was coming..... -eom
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:26 PM
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8. They're already shooting "Goober Gets Away" TV movie.
Edited on Mon May-03-04 11:33 PM by Algorem
"Moran in Suspence"?
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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:28 PM
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9. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! I told you, I told you, neener, neener, neener!
I posted exactly that on another thread earlier and was gently admonished for it, the reply being that he had a hard time in the present economy and had gone there to try and make money. Well Boo de hoo hoo. I love it when my predictions come true! (Actually, though, I don't love it nearly as much as I would love being absolutely off base; now, THAT would really make me happy.)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:30 PM
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10. i talked to someone that was
thinking about driving truck over there but she changed her mind after the attacks and the kidnapping of this guy..she got laid`off from a 22 an hour job and is making 7.20 now. he`s no hero but just a guy trying to get by in bush`s america
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:31 PM
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11. I'm not surprised at all, honestly
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:42 PM
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13. Two guys at lunch yesterday
Were talking about how they could go to Kuwait for exactly one year and get $250K without paying income taxes in the U.S. How they'd gladly sign up for Kuwait but not for Fallujah.

I guess they're heroes too.

What a fucking crock.

Bake
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:09 AM
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16. There are no heroes here, just survivors. I'm not going to dog pile on
Edited on Tue May-04-04 12:10 AM by roguevalley
dead people or people with families they can't feed. God. I am sooooo
tired of kicking people in the nuts. Desperation drove him. It drove my dad from Oregon to the Alaska pipeline. He had to sit in a frozen little trailer eating 'soup' made from ketchup and water to get a chance to drive pipe for three terrifying, terrible months because he got here one day too late.

Did he want to be there? No. Did he suffer incredibly in the fear of being too late for the hope of work in Nixon's Phase Four Amerikkka?
Yes. Terribly. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you jump down their throat. A lot of people will eat shit to feed their families. That's heroism to me. Doing what you have to do to take care of your kids and obligations. That's what we have all come to now, risking a bullet in the head to feed your family. Been there. Done that.
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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 01:20 AM
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19. Rogue, I believe that we usually agree on most things, and...
I completely understand what you are saying about your father. He took a hell of a risk to take care of his family. The difference I see here, and I am not saying that I am necessarily right, but this guy went to Iraq, knowing that the Iraqis were being frighteningly exploited by the US. I differentiate what your father did from Hamill's actions on the basis of that. No way Hamill didn't know the situation in Iraq, unless he was sequestered in a hole somewhere. I tend to think of people like him as the quintessential type that would advocate a saying like: "Kick their ass, take their gas." I find it very difficult to have sympathy, let alone consider him anything even remotely resembling a hero. Truce, from one who loves the real frontier as much as you do. I will always consider that part of my soul is still wandering around in Alaska, enjoying everything. :pals:
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dudeness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:11 AM
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18. most definately overused..
Edited on Tue May-04-04 12:12 AM by dudeness
the term is employed by propagandists on both sides (martyr springs to mind)..to inspire people to levels of self sacrifice..it is a term that was being introduced into the australian vocabulary, however i feel the general population rejected the term being associated with people just doing their job..
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 02:55 AM
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21. He is Exploitive Capitalistic Scum <nt>
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 03:11 AM
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22. Not a hero. Not a bad guy, either.
Edited on Tue May-04-04 03:13 AM by VolcanoJen
Screw the Hannity-types that throw the word "hero" (as if they knew what that word meant) around as loosely and thoughtlessly as they throw a pack of cigs, a Diet Coke and a bag of Munchos onto a convenience-store counter. Screw them. Screw them into the deepest depths of earth.

I like to think of it as the "Crying Wolfowitz" syndrome. Say it too many times, and everyone stops taking you seriously.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 03:15 AM
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23. I believe the iraqi's let him slip out the back door- they wanted him...
to escape. It didn't just happen. It's another jessica lynch story.
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