I Posted This on Another Board (question of the day)

[mellowinman]

Excuse me? What the FUCK?

On the same day that there was going to be lots of media coverage about the abuses of Iraqis; Wilson's book coming out proving that at least two members of the Bush Administration were indiscriminately outing CIA agents for political payback and there was set to be lots of media coverage about the one-year anniversary of Bush's premature assertion that the war was over, an American heroically escapes from "terrorists" deep in their own terroritory, and nobody wonders what's going on?

Where in FUCK are all my conspiracy theorists when I need them?

For God's sake, some of you people agreed that the WTC towers may have been brought down by PLANTED EXPLOSIVES, but the idea that this could be bullshit is TOO FAR FETCHED FOR YOU???

I need to lie down.

[Dookus]

1. relax

sometimes, in this big world of ours, two things happen on or near the same day.

Wilson's book came out Friday. The "escape" occurred yesterday or today (don't know with the time zones involved).

Seriously.... Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant, and everything else that happens is NOT a conspiracy to take coverage away from Iraq. In fact, Iraq is getting the VAST bulk of the news coverage.

[mellowinman]

4. Oh c'mon!

I've dismissed nearly every single conspiracy theory I've ever heard in my life, but this guy single handedly escaped from the heart of enemy territory ALL BY HIMSELF?

I'm not talking about taking coverage away from Iraq. I'm talking about presenting a HEROIC and INSPIRING story about Iraq that doesn't make Bush look bad, right in the middle of some of the most horrendous and embarrassing things to come out in my lifetime!

Remember Jessica Lynch?

The way they made the Statue Toppling look like the fall of the Berlin Wall?

How carefully media imagery has been manipulated since Election 2000?

Man.

[Dookus]

12. I don't know if he "escaped" or was released...

we'll find out. After Jessica Lynch, I'll wait to see the real story.

But the fact is the Iraq torture photos are ALL over the news today, not the "escape" of a single person.

I wonder sometimes if people would only be content if EVERY news outlet focused on NOTHING but Iraq.

[mellowinman]

13. I'm not complaining about "not enough Iraq."

I'm talking about purposely spinning events to make it look like something POSITIVE is happening in Hell.

I'm talking about fake hero stories, just like Jessica Lynch.

I'm talking about trying to make the public feel good about a horrible war that shouldn't be happening.

I'm talking about propoganda.

[nonconformist]

16. I don't know that it doesn't make Bush look bad

Bush didn't run into the desert looking for the guy, I don't see how this is a positive for HIM. Perhaps people will think about the fact that this man couldn't find gainful employment in the U.S. and apparently didn't have medical coverage (or enough, anyway) so that his wife could have heart surgery, so he had to go to Iraq and almost lost his life in the process.

Either way, he's a lucky guy and it IS news that he escaped.

I'm bummed the Wilson story isn't really going anywhere either. But the torture story is still very much in the news. The tide IS shifting - 'bout damn time, but it IS shifting.

[DS1]

2. Your venting is clouding the question, for me anyway

Is it

A) The pictures were released the same time to cover up Wilson's book

or

B) The pictures are all faked, and then released in order to cover up Wilson's book

[mellowinman]

6. The pictures are real.

The book is real. All that stuff is real.

It's the damn ESCAPE!

Steve McQueen? Alan Alda?

Somebody get me a DOCTOR!!!!

Somebody give me a SHOT!!!!

AAAUUUGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

3. Wilson story is dead. Torture, not so much.

Top-of-the-hour coverage on the major networks leads me to believe that the torture story is nowhere near dead. The Wilson thing... is another matter. They're happily ignoring that, as usual.

>Where in FUCK are all my conspiracy theorists when I need them?

Unfortunately, we don't get to pick and choose when the crazies come out. :)

[mellowinman]

5. But, but but but....

They've all been so DEPENDABLE for so long!

I've been researching and de-bunking conspiracy theories so far and wide that most people have assumed I'm secretly a neo-con or something.

But THIS ONE; Oh MAN!

No WAY did this really happen. No WAY did some American "hero" blast his way out of enemy territory using MacGyver-like wits and moxie.

I've had DREAMS that were more realistic than that; even the one with the leggy German girls and all that cotton candy!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

9. They'd have done a better job of heroification.

>No WAY did this really happen. No WAY did some American "hero"
>blast his way out of enemy territory using MacGyver-like wits and
>moxie.

They quoted him on NPR a few hours ago as saying that he could have escaped much earlier, but he didn't have anything except for a map and (i dunno, a bottle of water or something else) and had nowhere to go. Sounds like he was being held by a couple of goobers playing at being soldiers, from what I heard. The guy seemed to be not making that big a deal of it at all. I'd think that if this were stage-managed, they'd have done a much better job. (C'mon, you can't get some CGI of him running from a hail of bullets?)

Heh, but then there are those people who think Dubya did the WTC (in which case don't you think he'd have done a better job of blaming it on Saddam?)

:)

[walldude]

7. Still here...

But starting to see the tide turning. Ever so slowly with the exception of Clear Channel, Sinclair, and Fox, Bush's free ride in the press is coming to an end. Even Rush and Hannity couldn't defend the pictures coming out of Iraq, all their spinning did was make them seem even more stupid.. And Wilson was just on Larry King, looking and sounding informed, pissed off and rightious. Even the Republician Senator they had on was having a hard time disagreeing with him... Oh and I was suspicious about that "escape" thing too, the guy heard Allied troops coming and busted down the door? C'mon..

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. .

Like any good shark, the press smells blood in the water and is acting accordingly. Don't get your hopes up too much. Fox and fiends may look like a big deal to us, but the vast majority of the American public gets its news from sources other than cable news, or from no sources at all. I am still waiting for Kerry to engage on domestic policy. I fear that he is holding back on making the economy an issue out of misplaced fear that it will come back up in the next six months. That poor misinformed bastard. All he needs to do is go to Ohio and talk to those people. The manufacturing jobs aren't coming back, and a lot of people in the industrial midwest just want some sort of acknowledgement, some kind of acknowledgement that their situation sucks and that their voices are being heard.

Jesus. I seem to have gotten horribly off-topic here.

[ComerPerro]

8. Jaded, I guess

Nothing that happens really suprises me anymore.

[tcfrogs]

10. Just to clarify

The "war" did end a year ago. A semantic thing, but fighting to take control of the country did "officially" end. The president did say the war would be long & difficult, many times. Obviously the occupation to "free Iraq" has taken a large toll on our troops.

I'm not defending him, but it's too easy to gloss over the facts. Whether you agree with the actions or not, the president did say this wouldn't be an easy process.

And again, it hasn't, and we have to deal with what's left and make our own decisions in November...

[mellowinman]

11. Nah ah!

The war did NOT end a year ago! There is no way to spin that it did! Their "easy victory" was simply Saddam's troops blending in with the general population, and getting the battle to be in the arena that gave them a better advantage.

What kind of idiots would just let the entire might of the US Military come strolling down main street with tanks, planes, 5,000 pound bombs, and infinitely better amounts of supplies, and throw every last man at that?

I have NOT glossed over ONE fact. I'm not stupid. I've read the news all day every day for YEARS now. The President didn't say this would be an easy process. Do I need to get the ten million quotes where all his surrogates said we'd waltz in, and be presented with flowers and virgins, and big tubs of beer on ice?

There is NO decision to make in November. The choice is Life or DEATH. Bush equals DEATH. Any vote that is NOT KERRY equals DEATH.

Fighting to take control of the country? What, are you kidding me? There was never ONE DAY that our troops had control of that country.

Boy, I'm giving you some major benefit of the doubt here, because I don't post here enough to be considered a regular.

[nonconformist]

15. The "facts"?

Just because you say something doesn't make it fact. I could say that I now officially declare that I quit smoking, meanwhile I'm smoking like a chimney in private and hoping nobody notices the hundreds of cigarette butts. "but, but... I said I quit! nobody said it was easy to quit!" It's a little more than a semantic thing.

[mellowinman]

17. Thank you.

Why wouldn't I like someone whose name is nonconformist?

That's exactly right.

That "facts" post kind of pissed me off.

[nonconformist]

19. Ha, thanks.

I registered this name when we were in the lead-up to the Iraq War and I felt like I was one of the lone residents on the Sane Island. ;)

[MadashellLynn]

18. bush keeps changing his mind about what that speech meant

on friday he stated that he meant that he had removed suddam hussein yet that didn't even happen until Dec 13th 2003, thats a fact!