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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:05 PM
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Most American ideals were from THIRD Parties (You are Welcome)
Edited on Mon May-03-04 01:11 PM by Christ was Socialist
Third Party Idea #1
Abolition of Slavery in the United States:
The 1840/1844 Liberty Party and 1848 Free Soil Party.


As the United States grew and expanded into a continental power, acquiring more territory, a moral dilemma grew. How could a country founded on the concept of freedom and equality for all tolerate allowing large numbers of the people living within its borders to live out their lives in hopeless and irrevocable bondage? Though the Liberty Party first formed in 1840 (solely to oppose slavery), it wasn’t until 1848 that the anti-slavery vote started to make a difference in American Presidential politics. And even in 1860, Republicans were not explicitly against slavery and in favor of abolition, though policies they supported would have led inevitably in that direction (which is why southern voters almost universally rejected the Republican Party). It is a sad comment on early American history that the major political parties did not address this issue with the moral fortitude of these third parties until during or even after the Civil War.

Third Party Idea #2
Prohibition of Alcohol:
The 1892 Prohibition Party.


This is an example of a bad idea first suggested by a third party! Somehow, in a peculiar convergence of political circumstances, this third party idea was adopted by the United States in 1920. Here was the first “war on drugs,” against alcohol. It proved to be such a bad idea that it was unadopted in 1933. Strangely, the Prohibition Party, founded in 1869, still runs candidates for the Presidency. The party’s best result was in 1892, when 264,133 of approximately 12,000,000 voted for Prohibition candidate General John Bidwell

Third Party Idea #3


More Government Involvement in Social Issues:
The 1900-1920

Socialist Party

. (YOU ARE WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Eugene V. Debs was considered a radical in his day. He ran for President from a jail cell in 1920 while serving part of a ten-year sentence for speaking against United States involvement in World War I. Just exactly what were these radical campaign planks he campaigned for? Laws to curb child labor, graduated income tax, giving women the right to vote, direct election of United States Senators (Senators were elected by state legislatures until the 17th Amendment in 1913), unemployment compensation, employer liability laws, employer pensions and a national department of education. Though Debs never came close to winning an electoral vote, his third party platforms probably most epitomize the idea of “third party ideas ahead of their time.”


Third Party Idea #4

The Modern Presidential Campaign:
Theodore Roosevelt’s 1912 “Bull Moose” Party.

When Teddy Roosevelt won nine of twelve Republican primaries, and the Republicans still gave the nomination to incumbent President William Howard Taft, Roosevelt stormed out of the convention and formed his own party. His third party run was less important for its ideas on the issues than it was for previewing how candidates would run their campaigns in the Twentieth Century. Roosevelt’s aggressive pursuit of the Presidency, both as a Republican challenger and as a third party candidate, influenced his opponents in the election, Republican Taft and Democrat (and eventual victor) Woodrow Wilson, to get out and campaign as well. Before this election, conventions chose nominees, and Presidential candidates allowed surrogates to do their campaigning. After 1912, primaries became more and more important to the nomination process, and Presidents increasingly sought votes directly from the electorate.


Third Party Idea #5
The New Deal Coalition:
The 1924 Progressive Party.

Robert LaFollette’s ideas offered in the 1924 election would be radical even today, considered much too “socialist.” He believed large corporations had taken over the federal government, so he proposed government ownership of the railroads, public control of the country’s natural resources, and a “house-cleaning” of the executive branch of the federal government. He captured his home state of Wisconsin in the general election, making him one of the most successful third party candidates of the century. He showed that there was vote potential in the coalition of farm, labor and immigrant blocs. Appealing to a similar combination of interests, and softening the radical nature of the LaFollette Progressive agenda, Franklin Roosevelt built his New Deal coalitions, and went on to win an unprecedented four elections in a row.

Third Party Idea #6


The “New Democrat” Twelve Years Early:
John Anderson’s 1980 Independent Candidacy.

Fiscal conservatism coupled with compassion and tolerance on social issues—sounds like a summary of Bill Clinton’s 1992 platform? John Anderson offered this same combination of ideas in his independent candidacy of 1980. Ironically, the candidate who first conceived this idea was a disaffected Republican! Though he made a strong showing in a number of primaries, he didn’t win any. But Anderson offered a moderate alternative for voters who thought Ronald Reagan was too conservative, and Jimmy Carter too liberal (and ineffective as the incumbent President). Anderson’s appeal to moderates allowed him to take 7% of the popular vote despite a late start as an independent candidate, and dwindling resources as the campaign wound up. His success, despite these odds, showed the attractiveness of this combination of ideas, which Bill Clinton offered from an established political party in 1992.


Third Party Idea #7


Balancing the Budget:
Ross Perot’s 1992 Independent Candidacy.

If Ross Perot had not captured such huge poll numbers early in 1992, if he had not captured so much of the public’s attention with his graphs and charts on the eve of the election, and if he hadn’t polled 19% of the votes in the 1992 election, would the United States government have been looking at surpluses by the end of the 1990's? Would the Republicans in Congress and Democratic President Bill Clinton have allowed the government to shut down in 1995 rather than compromise on another deficit budget? Though both parties gave strong lip service to ending deficit spending, neither party seemed willing to make the tough political choices needed to balance the budget, before a short, wealthy man with big ears virtually embarrassed the mainstream parties into taking the issue seriously.



Parties Pushing for change

Libertarian
The Libertarian Party is the party that really wants government out of peoples’ lives. Their consistent call to end drug prohibition is the Libertarians’ most likely issue to be ahead of its time.

Natural Law Party

The Natural Law Party’s ideas about reforming health care (emphasizing preventative strategies over cures), along with their common sense “out-of-the-box” thinking on other issues, make them a third party to watch.

Reform party
Originally started to give voice to Ross Perot’s candidacy, and to give voice to the growing sentiment that the American government should stop spending more money than it takes in, the party now stands for campaign reform, and as a practical matter, acts as a base from which to launch unique candidacies, like Jesse Ventura’s November 1998 gubernatorial run and victory in Minnesota. Its future may depend on the quality and ideas of the party's future candidacies.

Green Party
This party gives voice to rising concerns about the environment, and to the idea that government needs to do more to address them. Their environmental concerns, like climate change, are almost certain to be ahead of their time.


More info-
http://www.richardwarrenfield.com
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:08 PM
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1. so true
thanks for the reminder.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:10 PM
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2. Nader is still a scum-sucking pig.
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 11:26 PM
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17. what about his politics?<nt>
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:10 PM
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3. That doesn't mean you should vote for them.
Matter of fact, reread the section on the New Deal coalition. The changes were actually implemented by electing a Democrat to office.
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FreeSpeechCrusader Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:11 PM
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4. What is the (You are Welcome) about? n/t
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:21 PM
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5. Robert sounds funny....call him "Fighting Bob" LaFollette.
Don't forget, both the Democrats and Republicans were once 3rd parties.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:22 PM
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6. The best ideas have come from within the Democratic Party
The problem is that they are not always accepted by the establishment. Look at all that Dennis has stood for. FDR and JFK both proposed a great many sweeping ideas. The trouble with the Democratic Party is that it is going through it's Republican phase. The liberals do not have a majority. And they have to use every tool they can to get the party to follow it's conscience.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:28 PM
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8. Really?
Like which ones?
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:06 PM
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14. When did we ever?
Look what happened to mcgovern and Dean (whom by most accounts is a fiscal conservative) and Dk, reagan use to be a dem, the greens and democratic socialsit left because of the party elite
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bigbillhaywood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:25 PM
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7. Good, but you forgot some
1. Republicans were a third-party
2. National progressive income tax idea first introduced by Populist Party, later by Progressive Party
3. Paper currency idea from Greenback Party
4. Communist Party played role in New Deal. Government was scared shitless of them during Depression when they were organizing "Unemployed Councils" and playing key roles in union activity, thus providing impetus to "save capitalism from itself" w/ gov't reforms rather than risk revolution. Also, many entered the Democratic Party in 1936 with Stalin's "Popular Front" strategy. Left in 1938 after Soviet-Nazi non-aggression pact. Re-entered Democratic Party in 1940 after Germany invaded USSR. Left again in 1947. Re-entered again in 1970s.
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:29 PM
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10. Am i the only one who feels...
that this is historical evidence proving the dems won't change as a major majority party? I can predict that from the people here, going with kerry because they feel that's who the next voter want's. The party had a chance this year with kucinich and dean, i like sharpton, but he never held office and i think he should try to conquer ny first.


Kerry won't change anything. because of voters like many people here
"Don't change what works or we will lose our incumbancy" will be the phraze in 08 if kerry wins.
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bigbillhaywood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:43 PM
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12. They will when a Third Party gains enough critical mass to sufficently
challenge them from the left. Some would argue part of the reason the party has moved a little more left in the last 4 years is because of Nader's 2000 challenge. You could argue Dean's insurgent campaign was in part buoyed by that challenge (although I'm sure there are other issues at play). I think the Dems need a bigger kick in the seat, though, than egomaniac Nader or the hippie Greens. The Dems have been fucking over labor for years. If the unions issued a joint ultimatum that if the Dems didn't get back into line, they would bolt and join a third party, the Democrats would shape up quick. Unfortunately, the unions don't have the balls to take such a gamble. I worked for a union during the 2000 election, and the voter turnout machinery is very impressive. And unfortunately for the Dems, it's really the only sizable grass-roots turnout machinery they have to speak of. W/o the unions, Dems would lose every time. It's time for us to flex our muscle and tell the Dems: "You shape up. Or we ship out"
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:49 PM
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13. Democrats were for slavery @ 1870's
So, to say that they won't, or can't change is mere snobbery.

Then: "Kerry won't change anything"

The ultimate in foolishness lies within that ill-taken pronouncement. Stuff like that might even make Jesus cringe.
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:01 AM
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15. What will he change???
If there is another attack and political pressure is on him, what will he do? Let's remember what happened in that little asian country.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:28 PM
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9. ##6&7 are pushing it. I read a review of a book recently ...
...that argued this very same thing -- that third parties were the source of most progressive ideas that became law in the 20th century.

It also argued that two changes that states made to election law -- outlawing cross-party endorsements and having ballot requirements that were prohibititve for third parties -- caused the demise of third parties.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:29 PM
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11. This is why the Greens
...need to form a coalition with other small proressive parties out there, from the Labor Party to the New Party to even the Socialist Workers' Party. Once a movement gets enough members to threaten one of the big two across the country, they'll find their ideas coopted by that party.

Big parties are like the government itself, and they're reactive, not innovative. Innovation comes from the grassroots, always.

This is probably why the conservative DLC has abandoned the grassroots in favor of whoring for corporate cash.
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:01 AM
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16. I am hoping that there could...
be union between the enviromental left and labor. this was a problem of the new left, the inability to integrate labor into the movement. I think the train unions need some revision, i know our local firefighters union head was taking trips to hawaii, and the black firefighters broke off to form there own. Union heads are getting to corrupt, and i don't like the mob influnce.
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