Imagine the outrage if Iraqis had abused our soldiers like we did theirs

[rumguy]

Imagine the apoplectic, shuddering outrage if Iraqis had forced American GIs to simulate oral sex on eachother. Imagine if, as the New Yorker piece says, that they made American GIs masturabate into eachother's mouths...

Imagine the pig-like squeals of Limbaugh, Hannity, Drudge, etc...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. Yes the new outrage by the right wing is "Why are WE required to

follow the rules?" The simple answer is - those rules protect our troops when taken prisoner and allow that THEY may return home alive.

[Walt Starr]

2. It'll happen

Somewhere, sometime, somplace there will be worse tortures acted out on our soldier and the enemy will justify those tortures because, "The Americans torture, too!."

Thanks George.

[stopthegop]

3. the people involved are under investigation

..and will be prosecuted if it's warranted...do you think any other armies in the region (except maybe Israel) would react the way the US is and will?

[OneBlueSky]

5. do you think that will matter one whit on the Arab street? . . . n/t

.

[stopthegop]

7. probably not...

not defending the apparent actions at all...I'm defending the US response to the actions..

at least the US is doing the right thing under the circumstances, regardless of whether it changes 'public opinion'

[Walt Starr]

8. No, the U.S. is NOT doing the right thing

The soldiers are being prosecuted. The mercenaries who ordered the torturing walk.

[DrWeird]

12. You're defending the US's actions?

Are you defending the US's blatant attempt at a coverup with the blatant lie that these people weren't trained about the Geneva Conventions?

[stopthegop]

15. I had not seen that statement...

if the Army says they weren't trained, it's either:
1) untrue
or
2) an admission of huge incompetence in the Army's program

psl note: Army as in US military, regardless of branch

[0007]

27. Would also defend the Generals who knew what was going

would you defend junior?

[stopthegop]

29. I would defend no one who knew this kind of thing

was happening who did not move to stop it and punish the guilty

[rumguy]

6. reluctantly under investigation

Don't you remember the US General saying how sweet everything was in the prison? Don't you remember her saying they were worried the prisoners wouldn't want to leave? Don't you know that the ONLY thing that forced this issue into the open, the only thing that seemingly made the Army confront this is the media exposing it?

[stopthegop]

10. why are you trying to argue with me about that?

I agree...I don't know whether the people involved would have paid a price if the media had not gotten hold of the story...no one does..

just saying the response to the story is instructive...

[DrWeird]

11. If it's warranted?

Do you think it's warranted?

[stopthegop]

13. if the pictures are genuine, yes I do..

they sure look genuine...but the alledged violators have the right to a trial...then the max sentence if convicted...

I say 'if it's warranted' because apparently the investigation is ongoing...that's all....

[Oddman]

4. Can you imagine what will happen to anyone that is captured?

Every photo of torture, abuse and humiliation that was released is a recruiting poster for al Qaeda. The world already hates and fears us, now they hate and fear us even more . . .

Blood is on the hands of our Lady MacBush.

Out damn bush! Out, I say!!

[AngryAmish]

9. Well, they did

Read "Bravo Two Zero."

Andy McNab had a piece in the Sunday Telegraph about this yesterday. Same piece in the Mirror today

[Az]

14. We don' t have to imagine

We saw the reaction when Iraqi doctors rescued a US soldier and treated her for her injuries.

[KayLaw]

18. Yes, Az

I've been thinking about the whole Jessica Lynch matter, too. Pretty sad when you contrast the treatment given. And, no, the sick people who compare the abuse of POW's to hazings would not be saying that if the POW's were Americans - they would be calling the Iraqi people rabid animals, or something along those lines.

[Ezlivin]

16. Have Photoshop and low morals?

Then you can do what the right-wingers did for Kerry and Fonda: Create your own photo essay.

A photo showing the humiliation of an American soldier by clearly identifiable Iraqi soldiers, released to the Internet, would quickly raise a ruckus.

Anyone into a little disinformation?

[Hubert Flottz]

17. We'd have nuked the place!

On orders from Jerry And Pat!

Kind of makes what Clinton was impeached for look like Sunday School!

[NNN0LHI]

19. Most people do not appreciate the seriousness of this event

We will be damn lucky if we don't get nuked over this deal. I ain't joking.

Don

[stopthegop]

20. I agree it's extremely serious..

but who could/would nuke us? or do you mean a non-state entity?

[NNN0LHI]

22. Could be either another country or a non-state entity

Pakistan could go postal over this kind of thing and throw the little dictator that Bush is friends with over there out on his ass and install a mullah with a bad attitude. They have nukes. They don't have missiles to get them here yet. But they will some day. Then I think about the chance of a cargo plane with a nuke aboard and the ensuing air-burst over some US city. The possibilities are endless.

Don

[stopthegop]

23. true enough...

to (literally) nuke the US would require a non-rational state, or a non-state entity...a state that nuked us would cease to exist...a group could survive a while...

[Hubert Flottz]

21. I ain't joking either!

I've been so pissed off the last two days over this that I HAD to lighten up a bit! I'm ashamed to be an American for the first time in my life, when I see this! I know that GIs will suffer because of this and it makes me very sad indeed! So now I'm depressed and sad as hell again and I'm dead serious!

[pebbles1]

24. thank god

they only burnt the shit out of our guys and then hung from telephone wires. Oh god I cant imagine the outrage we would have have if instead they took our clothes off

[Tyler Durden]

25. You are being obtuse.

This behavior was carried out, not by an angry mob, but by trained military personnel. Neither were they "our guys" but "security contractors," read that as "$1500/day MERCINARIES, paid by your tax dollars."

YOU are in serious danger of being called a "Troll."

[NNN0LHI]

26. There were people killed at Abu Ghraib. Tortured to death. Some Kool-Aid?

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0405/02/le.00.html

<snip>BLITZER: As far as you know, no one was killed at Abu Ghraib, is that what you're saying?

HERSH: No, that's not true. There were people killed, yes, but not by the soldiers, not by the reservists. There were people killed -- I can tell you specifically about one case. One of the horrible photos is a man packed in ice. You want to hear it? I'll tell it to you.

They killed him -- either civilians, the private guards, or the CIA or the military killed him during an interrogation. They were worried about it. They packed him in ice. They killed him in evening. They packed him in ice for 24 hours, put him in a body bag, and eventually at a certain time -- don't forget, now, the prison has a lot of other Army units about it, and they didn't want to be seen with a dead body.

So they packed him in ice until it was the appropriate time. They put him on a trolley, like a hospital gurney, and they put a fake IV into him, and they walked out as if he was getting an IV. Walked him out, got him in an ambulance, drove him off, dumped the body somewhere.

That literally happened. That's one of the things I know about I haven't written about, but I'm telling you, that's where you're at. There was bloodshed on the other side of the... BLITZER: We heard from Dan Senor earlier in this program, suggesting he said he didn't know of anyone who died at Abu Ghraib prison.

HERSH: I have some photographs I'll be glad to share with him anytime he wants to know.

[rumguy]

28. imagine the squeal from that fat drug-infested pig Limbaugh

if the Iraqis had made American GIs jerk off into eachother mouths...this claim is from a military report as reported by Seymore Hersch from the New Yorker, judging from the crazy pics we've seen this claim could very well be true....

You say "intead they took off our clothes" - huh, that is not what happened at all...