Is it true those picture of troops mistreating prisoners are over 1 year

[Tim4319]

old?

I heard that those photos are over a year old. Plus, the White House had already known about the photos. It this too is true. Would it be safe to say that the White House is just as guilty?

[Tinoire]

1. Where did you get a date on them?

They're not new because the military has had a hold of them AT LEAST since December but I have no idea how old they are. Do you have more info? Please post it in this thread if you do: The Women of Abu Ghraib http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1517119


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[Tim4319]

2. I will try and find something

I was listening to a news report, and I thought I may have heard that.

[Tinoire]

7. Thanks... n/t

[hexola]

3. I cant find the quote...

But I heard they were from "late last year"

Meaning fall, I presume...

[Tim4319]

5. Yeah

I heard the same thing!

[maddezmom]

8. not sure about the photos, but brass knew there was a problem since fall

HERSH: You know, that's a funny description, the bad seed description. What you see is a prison that was out of control, according to the Taguba report. That's Major General Antonio Taguba wrote the report, and a quite brilliant 53-page report, devastating report, turned in, in February, in which he said the problems were systemic, endemic throughout the command structure. Since last fall, the Army, the high level in Iraq and certainly in Washington, knew there were problems in the prison system. His was the third major study done of the prison system. And he just was, I have to tell you, to the credit of the general, very straightforward. He criticized some of the earlier reports that had been done, said they missed it. They didn't get the story.

And so -- and I also had the advantage of reading some of the trial transcripts in which GIs do describe the fact that they could do this stuff and photograph it and just walk around. In some photographs, for example, you see as many as 12 or 13 different pairs of feet. And so, only six have been named. Clearly, a lot of other people were aware of what's going on and were doing it. It sounds awful, but it is true.


HERSH: Well, the woman in charge, General Karpinski, Janis Karpinski who is saying that she didn't know much about what happened with the photographs, General's Taguba's report was very, very critical of her for the way she ran the prison system. She was in charge of the three main prisons in Iraq. There are three larges ones and many smaller detention centers. And he made it clear in his report that the abuses were widespread. Of course, they weren't photographing other places like they did at Abu Ghraib.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0405/03/ltm.01.html

[Tinoire]

9. Makes sense...

My unofficial theory is that they whisked the 17 really guilty military people away as soon as the scandal was uncontainable and left this 7 (brought them in maybe?) behind to rot.

The spooks of course just vanished.

[maddezmom]

11. check out this link - names 2 officers and 2 contractors

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x526765

[Tinoire]

12. Thanks... n/t

[markus]

4. My Saturday paper used "undated photo"

in it's capture of the one of the fellow in the poncho on the box.

An interesting thought. When were the general reassigned, and these folks arrested? If the White House knew about this for a year, and took no action, are they complicit?

[madrchsod]

6. this has been know since

at least november and probably started earlier. the brits had a "scandal" last year..the whitehouse has known for a long time it`s the photos that`s pissed them off. there have been war crimes committed but no one will be tried in an international court.

[hexola]

10. I wonder if the top Brass will confiscate all soldiers' cameras?

Just to be sure there is no more of this...(i.e. the photos evidence)