So I'm driving to my hair appt. this morning and I pass a local synagogue

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

on the way. Anyway, some idiot(s) put a poster over the synagogue's sign. I couldn't make it all out since I was trying to keep my eye on the road, but something was scrawled over it that said something about the fallen...

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

1. Some scary shit. What state/area are you in?

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

2. Scary indeed. Also, pissed me off beyond belief. Virginia.

I'm Jewish, but you know what? I'd be enraged regardless of my religion. Ignorant people live everywhere.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

3. Agreed. I'm from Montgomery Co, MD originally. Love NoVA.

This would piss me off to no end...

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

5. In Central VA. From Hampton Roads originally.

[Pallas180]

4. Falwell country. Someone should scrawl over Falwell's fat face.

Advisor to dimwit on how to bring about Armageddon.

Acutally, dimson speaks to him every week. He is his advisor.

think about it

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

7. Yup. Here's another scary thing. Does anyone remember when

David Duke was trying to run for public office some years back? He came to one of the local malls (in the same county where this took place...no big surprise), and he had a huge turnout.

[liberalhistorian]

6. Few types of prejudice and bigotry

piss me off more than one of the oldest forms, anti-semitism. Good Lord, how much more of their blood do they need to spill for their imaginary "sins" before the ignorant monsters are finally satisfied? You'd think two thousand years of pogroms and persecution and ghettos and suffering and twenty million people dead, including millions of children, would finally be enough!!!

[Sophree]

8. People who obsess over other people's "salvation"

Usually have reason to be concerned about their own.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

9. Here here. Someone needs to sit whoever did this in a room

and show them films of the Holocaust where bodies upon bodies are piled up. I wonder, though: do you think they'd "get it"?

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

10. Incidentally, two of my cousins have served in Iraq, one of whom I

mentioned is trying to run for public office (his first time ever) and the other is going back for his second or third tour of duty. I'm sure the jerk(s) who did this didn't even think there are any Jews serving over there. Dumbasses!

[liberalhistorian]

12. Yeah, we all know all Jews are rich and money-obsessed,

and they've never contributed anything to society, including fighting and dying for their country!!!:crazy: :mad: :puke:

[drfemoe]

11. not even . do you?

GAZA, May 1 (Reuters) - Israeli troops shot dead a seven-year-old Palestinian boy in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, witnesses said, a day before Ariel Sharon's right-wing Likud party votes on his plan to unilaterally pull out of Gaza.

Witnesses said Hussein Abu Eker, 8, died after he was hit in the head and arm by live fire from an Israeli tank during an army raid in Khan Hounis refugee camp. The action sparked clashes with Palestinian gunmen and stone-throwing youths.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L01632759.htm

You don't think Hitler only killed "Jews" do you? Planning to show only "Jews" stacked up? Or some of the other five million?

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

13. They just didn't think period.

[liberalhistorian]

14. WTF?

WTF does that have to do with anything?

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

15. You're referring to the link that previous poster just put up, I presume?

[liberalhistorian]

18. Yes, post #11.

eom

[drfemoe]

16. Enough?

Few types of prejudice and bigotry

piss me off more than one of the oldest forms, anti-semitism. Good Lord, how much more of their blood do they need to spill for their imaginary "sins" before the ignorant monsters are finally satisfied? You'd think two thousand years of pogroms and persecution and ghettos and suffering and twenty million people dead, including millions of children, would finally be enough!!!

It's YOUR question. You seem to be saying there is no reason to disagree with current day actions of the group you are defending.

[liberalhistorian]

20. Oh, for Christ's sake, that

is NOT AT ALL what I'm saying! I happen to disagree strongly with a lot of what ISRAEL is doing, particularly in the occupied territories (as anyone who's read my posts in the Sand Trap, aka I/P forum, would know), and I happen to think Sharon and the Likud party are the worst thing that could happen to Israel, not to mention being incredibly dangerous.

But that is a criticism of POLICY and LEADERSHIP, NOT the citizens of the country, and certainly not Jews as a whole. What you are saying is just as bad as those who say that ANY criticism at all of Israel is anti-semitism. And two wrongs don't make a right.

In other words, you can't belittle the suffering of either the Palestinians or the Jews as a group. Talking about one doesn't mean I'm discounting or belittling the other. Sheesh, no wonder I never go to the Sand Trap anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

24. I can't even bring up a subject on this board that involves

Jews or Israel without someone infiltrating the board and spewing hatred. It's pretty sick.

Newsflash: not all Jews support Israel's policies or Bush's unilateral support of Sharon or Sharon period.

[drfemoe]

26. If it was such a concern, why didn't you pull over and

read the sign? Why come post some nefarious innuendos at DU?
I think I know why. And one poster came to the rescue with the balm (pity)(outrage) your post was seeking.

[drfemoe]

30. What I'm saying?

What is it I'm saying .. that is "just as bad"???

I never go to the sandtrap. But this member posted some mysterious information in GD.

[historian]

19. nope

they would say thats another example of the so called liberal media

[liberalhistorian]

25. There's a picture in one of my Holocaust

history books that shows dead children from Auschwitz, a whole pile of nothing but dead children. I show that to people, including friends and family, whenever they start in on anti-semitic or the-holocaust-what's-the-big-deal comments. That shuts them up but good!

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

28. My sister and I were both named after relatives killed in the Holocaust.

I realize that not only Jews were killed. Nazis killed gays, lesbians, Catholics, gypsies...anyone who was not Aryan or like them. The number of Jews murdered -- 6 million -- is what is so staggering.

[liberalhistorian]

34. Actually, they're thinking the number

is even higher than that. Since the fall of the Soviet Union and the declassification of their records, they're thinking now that the number may be closer to between seven and eight million (most of the additional number being Soviet Jews.)

[ikojo]

41. It's not that Jews were the ONLY victims of the Holocaust

it's that regardless of how assimilated or non-Jewish your family, if you had ONE Jewish grandparent then to the camps you went.

While not all victims were Jews...
All Jews were potential victims.

Unlike in previous persecutions, the "stain" of Jewishness could not be washed away by conversion to Christianity. There were many families who were totally unaware of their Jewish ancestry until reminded of it by the SS.

[liberalhistorian]

47. That's right, because, for the

first time, it was a RACIAL and not a RELIGIOUS prejudice. Normally, Jews who converted were considered "cured" and they could then avoid persecution. But not to the Nazis, not this time. They considered it to be a matter of race, and not just religion.

Therefore, even if you weren't a practicing Jew, or you weren't even aware of any Jewish blood in your family, tough shit, too bad, off to the camps you went.

[Journeyman]

42. It's not the number that staggers. . .

Stalin killed more than 8 million kulaks in the early '30s. King Leopold of Belgium oversaw the deaths of 12 to 30 million in the Congo in the two decades that bracket the turn to the last century. No, it is not the numbers which distinguish the Shoah. Rather, it is the Nazi's single-minded desire for total eradication of the Jews, their unbendable determination in the face of all competing arguments, that distinguishes their effort. . . this, and their use of such terror and propoganda to craft unequaled totalitarian rule.

Having written this, I admit to its inadequacy as explanation. But it was more than numbers.

"The death of one man," Josef Stalin intoned, "is a tragedy. The death of millions, a statistic."

[Devils Advocate NZ]

17. What the hell are we supposed to take from this?

I couldn't make it all out since I was trying to keep my eye on the road, but something was scrawled over it that said something about the fallen

It said "something about the fallen" Are you sure the synagogue didn't put it up themselves? Perhaps they were saying they grieve for the fallen?

I mean come on! You have given us practically nothing to go on - not that that stopped everybody from jumping to conclusions.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

21. Yes, and let me tell you why:

1. Jews are not permitted to do any work, which includes writing, on the Sabbath, which begins from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday.

2. The sign was partly torn.

3. I should have mentioned (but I was so pissed off when I wrote this, so forgive me.), that when I drove back from my appt, the sign had been taken down.

It's not like it was on a marquis. It was covering up the sign which has the name of the synagogue on it.

Someone did it on purpose.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

38. OK, so points one and two could explain each other...

For example, the sign was torn because it had been up since Friday - which would tie in with Nightline's broadcast of the names of "fallen" soldiers in the war on Iraq.

Number three could tie in with number one in that having put it up for Friday, they couldn't take it down until Sunday, and did so when they had the chance.

As for it not being on a marquee, that could simply be because it was a hastily made sign for the specific purpose of displaying it on the same day as the Nightline "Fallen" broadcast, and I would assume that the sign with the name of the synagogue is the most prominent area for the display of such a sign - after all, YOU saw it.

As I said, there are many different explanations of the sign with the very small amount of info you have given. Your outrage seems misplaced, considering you don't even know what the sign said!

[drfemoe]

40. I want to know why typing is okay

but "writing" is not. And isn't turning on the tv to watch the news considered "work"? It would be a big mistake to assume I don't know anything about this subject.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

43. I never claimed to be an observant Jew.

[liberalhistorian]

22. Wow, you've certainly

given yourself an apt username, lol!

[drfemoe]

23. Isn't it obvious?

We're supposed to assume that *their* blood is being spilled!!!
That *they* have suffered enough!!
That *they* are INNOCENT of any wrong, ever, whatsoever!!
That *anyone* who does not agree is an *ignorant monster*!!

You see this enough, you start to figure out "what we're supposed to take from it".

Good Lord, how much more of their blood do they need to spill for their imaginary "sins" before the ignorant monsters are finally satisfied? You'd think two thousand years of pogroms and persecution and ghettos and suffering and twenty million people dead, including millions of children, would finally be enough!!!

[liberalhistorian]

33. SIGH.

One more time, louder and with feeling: I AM NOT SAYING THAT ISRAEL IS NEVER GUILTY OF ANY WRONGDOING WHATSOEVER! I AM NOT SAYING THAT ALL JEWS ARE HOLY AND SAINTLY AND PERFECT AND SHOULD NEVER BE HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR ANYTHING!

What YOU need to do is pick up a history book and find out the truth of what I said in my post that you keep quoting, which seems to have pushed an irrationality button with you. You simply cannot deny history and historical fact.

And, once more for the record, I strongly disagree with Sharon and his policies and am disgusted with Shrub's support for both. I strongly disagree with the settlements and Shrub's support for them and his refusal to see the damage they're causing. But that's a criticism of a country's LEADERSHIP and POLICIES, NOT THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES! There are many, many Jews who do not support Israel's policies, including within Israel itself, and to lump them all together is just as bad as people lumping Palestinians together and calling them ALL terrorists.

Why do I feel like I just beat my head against a wall?????

[drfemoe]

36. I have plenty of historical information on the subject ..

Assuming that I don't, doesn't change that FACT.

You said NOTHING close to this in the post I quoted.

[rockymountaindem]

27. Was it something that the congregation put up?

Perhaps the synagogue put it up themselves and it said something like "honor the fallen". Maybe it's up there because it's the anniversary of the "end" of the war. Perhaps it wasn't vandalism.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

29. Please see my post about not being able to write on the Sabbath, etc.

I'm going to check the news and see if anything is reported and will let you all know.

[rockymountaindem]

31. Yeah, I didn't see that before I posted.

While the fact that it was torn makes me suspicious, they could have avoided the sabbath no-work rules by putting it up yesterday afternoon. I'm Jewish too, so if this was an act of anti-semitism I'd sure like to know more about it. Has there been any coverage in the local media?

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

45. Not supposed to tear either (considered work). Why would they

put up a sign OVER the name of the synagogue??? I can't see a synagogue putting something out there to incite any kind of reaction (good, bad or otherwise). Given the tensions w/ the conflict in Iraq, the Middle East, etc., why invite trouble?

I'm going to watch the local news tonight and will let you know if I hear anything.

[drfemoe]

32. You can type but not write?

Call the synogogue. Ask them what was on the *scary* sign... good to get facts before posting.

[liberalhistorian]

35. Maybe you should try and follow

your own advice once in awhile.

[drfemoe]

39. Facts?

You're assuming the FACTS will generate the same sentiments you expressed for EVERYONE who has the FACTS?

That *they* have suffered enough!!
That *they* are INNOCENT of any wrong, ever, whatsoever!!
That *anyone* who does not agree is an *ignorant monster*!!

Good Lord, how much more of their blood do they need to spill for their imaginary "sins" before the ignorant monsters are finally satisfied? You'd think two thousand years of pogroms and persecution and ghettos and suffering and twenty million people dead, including millions of children, would finally be enough!!!

Consider the possibility that individuals come to their own conclusions when presented with the same FACTS. I'm sure there have been studies done to illustrate that.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

44. They won't answer the phone on the Sabbath.

[Lefty48197]

37. There's a bunch of morans who protest at a Synagogue in Ann Arbor

every weekend. They're protesting against the bombings that kill innocent people. Well, at least the protest against the bombs Israel launches at Hezbollah leaders, that kill nearby innocents. I don't think they protest against the lunatics that strap bombs to themselves, and then blow up busses, schools, restaurants, and bookstores.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

46. I've sent an email to one of the local news stations to look into this if

they haven't already.