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doubles Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:05 PM
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Republicans are Communists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They believe in state run media.

Any press coverage that goes against their agenda, they are vociferously opposed to it.

No one should question their administration.

If any news outlet whispers something the administration did wrong, they are vehemently opposed.

You are not allowed to criticize them.

You are not allowed to question them.

Please tell all the right wingers you know that they are nothing but anti-American communist scum.

Ted Koppel is a true American, these people are sick for opposing Koppel in honoring our fallen.

They are nothing but right wing dirt bag scum anti-American Communists!
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:07 PM
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1. Great points! But can you edit out a few exclamation points?
My browser is now in the room next door
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:08 PM
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2. That's right-wing authoritarianism.
Communism is different.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:11 PM
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4. In theory, communism is different.
In execution? Tell the truth.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:14 PM
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5. Yeah.
There's something to be said for caring about the people enough to avoid something that's really never worked for them in the long run.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:11 PM
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3. It's also similar to Stalin's Russia
Either extreme will take you into hell.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:16 PM
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6. Stalinists
absolutely.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:16 PM
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7. No. They're Fascists
Communism the state owns everything and distributes among the masses. Fascists serve the corporate interests but don't own them.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:21 PM
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12. Communism is the withering away of the state
Not state ownership. The communists in the 1920's had a little bitty argument about that with the Statist Stalinists. The Stalinists killed most of them.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:17 PM
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8. There's a better word for them
Totalitarian
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:17 PM
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9. Try Fascist...Check this out and see if this makes sense to you!!!
Edited on Fri Apr-30-04 11:18 PM by Zinfandel
http://secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.



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tomorrowsashes Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:18 PM
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10. I find some of that at DU
I find a lot of the "never question the party" line at DU. It seems like if I criticize Kerry, people call me a traitor. I think both parties would rather have us live under a corporate police state.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:24 PM
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14. If you question Kerry you are a traitor. Just kidding.
DU is as much an echo chamber as Free Republic or Conservative Underground. There is a diversity of opinion here on some issues but when it comes to defeating Bush in November, we are unanimous.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:25 PM
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15. It's the problem of the political party apparatus in general
Political Parties are the danger and the disease. And yet they are particularly useful when there are other political parties. It is a self-perpetuating sickness, a spreading virus on the surface of the world. That said, it is ignorant and utopian to think that you get to choose out of this situation of struggle. You must face it someway.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:19 PM
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11. Shit: Don't give a bad name to communism
These fuckers are Fascists, first. Fascism is nopt the same thing as totalitarianism, and totalitarianism is not the same thing as communism.

Communism has to be about more than the redistribution of property: Who wants all this shit? - Felix Guattari and Antonio Negri, Communist Like Us
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Michael Costello Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:21 PM
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13. Is former GE CEO Jack Welch a closet Marxist?
Edited on Fri Apr-30-04 11:24 PM by Michael Costello
Jack Welch could have lifted this economic understanding of commodity production overcapacity, unemployment, profitability and pricing straight out of Das Kapital. He is basically reiterating Marx's view of how the world capitalist production system works here:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/834023.asp?cp1=1

Hardball, December 4, 2003

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi (UNINTELLIGIBLE) with the talks of war looming on the horizon, as well as with all the scandals in the economy, Jack, what’s your take on when this economy is going to turn around?

WELCH: Well, I don’t think this economy in general is so bad. I think that you have a telecom shut down, you have a high tech slowdown, you have a lot of capacity. So you got weak pricing power.

For example, the GDP in the third quarter was up four percent. That normally would be considered pretty good. The normal GDP was only up five. That means you got one percent price. You’ve got globalization. You’ve got global capacity everywhere.

I mean, we get these silly statistics. The U.S. capacity is now 76.2, and we wait until 10:00 in the morning to get it on a certain day and they announce it because two people built two more things in Peoria. I mean, it means nothing.

There are plants all over China that just built 20 million things that are coming in to this or that, so pricing pressure is what we’re facing. The reason why jobs are tough is not volume. The reason why jobs are tough is there’s no profitability.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:33 PM
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19. Could you clarify
The Marxist comments that you believe Jack Welch is deploying here?

Looks like straight "vulgar economist" storyline to me.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:26 PM
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16. Of course they are communists
That's why they are in the red states. :evilgrin:
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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:30 PM
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17. they're Bushists!
http://www.uexpress.com/columnoftheamericas/?uc_full_date=20040423

<snip>

"Bushist."
That's an adjective that may soon enter our political lexicon. It points to a radical political philosophy -- best expounded by President George W. Bush -- that describes both an aggressive military agenda and the surrendering of government to the world's most exploitive and anti-environmental corporations.

In a cultural context, Bushist may also come to describe a person who continues to insist the world is flat, even in the face of overwhelming and damning evidence. Here are several other meanings:

Meaning three: a person who remains completely oblivious to reality, even as Rome is ablaze. Meaning four: someone who initiates war, while claiming to be divinely inspired, doing the peaceful work of The Father. Meaning five: one who questions the loyalty and patriotism of those with divergent viewpoints. Meaning six: one who continuously flip-flops as a result of extreme political pressure (as opposed to one who flip-flops without political pressure).


<snip>

more...
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:33 PM
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18. More fascist than communist...
Edited on Fri Apr-30-04 11:34 PM by JavaJive
but read The True Believer... some time and you'll find that the two, though they differ in the details, are in many ways very similar.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:42 PM
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20. Hey doubles please read this post
There is still time to edit your subject line .

Please reduce the amount of (!!!!!!!) it's throwing
off the format on the GD page .

Thanks :hi:
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 11:55 PM
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21. I always thought Stalin and Bob Barr had something in common..
At least Soviet labor camps weren't privately owned like many of the Nazi Concentration Camps were. But ask yourself this...do you want high-cost torture or affordable cutting edge torture? Do you prefer government supplied gas chambers or supply and demand firing squads? Would you rather be raped and beaten by a patriotic American capitalist or some evil outsourced terrorist?

Isn't the choice obvious? :evilfrown:
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doubles Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-04 11:56 AM
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22. I was throwing back their favorite label of us back in their face.....
thus my use of communist instead of fascist.
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