Is June 30 the Psychological Point of Pulling the Flusher on Bush??

[BabsSong]

Right now Bush is benefiting from the increased violence in Iraq--i.e, "stay the course & support the President because it means support the troops, blah, blah". We've been told that this violence was expected leading up to June 30th turnover. Now, no, the people will not expect peace and roses to break out on July 1st but consider something very phsychological here:

They have all the month of July, all August, all September and all October before the elections. The violence will, of course, be just as bad with the added element of looking like the new government is a disaster because of it. BUT now there is no psychological target that keeps the carrot dangling in front of the people and keeps them "staying the course". All that is in front of them from that point is "eternity". Bush cannot give a pull out date because everybody on planet Earth could see that if we pull out at point X, we leave these people in hell and have failed. Are they going to stay the course for four months with that endless eternity in front of them?? Or, is this period of time when they start finally getting fed up with Bush's grand folly???? This is when Kerry has to pound that he has a better chance of ending this with an international coalition and not sound like a cc of Bush. Right now they almost spit at Kerry's ideas---I think starting July 1st they will be ripe for "hope".

[roguevalley]

1. When June 30 doesn't change things, yeah. I would expect a mass

assassination attempt on the ruling committee on that
date or there abouts. After Fallujah today, they're
dreaming about a transfer. Besides, there is nothing
being transferred. The USA will still be in charge.

Will someone wake me from this nightmare. Please?

[BabsSong]

2. I'm talking about the American people who after that don't have a

date to "shoot for in their minds"....now Iraq becomes "endless" and I think about another four months of this crap dragging on up to election time means when Bush says "we must stay the course",they will answer: "Oh, shut the fuck up, asshole"!!!!

[billybob537]

3. CATCH 22

When we hand over the reins in June the new government of Iraq will insist the Americans must leave. If they don't they will be seen as a puppet regime. If they do civil war will ensue. Iraq was a no win situation from the start and our government didn't want to see it!!!:puke:

[Jacobin]

4. As much as I would like to think so,

no.

50% will still "believe" we turned it over to the Iraqis and everything is okey dokey, except we still have to have some soldiers over there to deal with the "terraists" and "thank god Prezdint Bush* has us fightin' them terraists over there instead of here".

I know i know. Its nuts.

This country is nuts. and its feeling guilty for starting a war over nothing so it will continue to believe Bush's lies.

[rucky]

5. On the flip side, it gives * someone else to blame

and the irony of the US leader blaming the Iraqi people for a less-than-smooth transition will be wasted on the existing Bush supporters.

So whatever psychological shift that could work against Bush, it'll also give the Bsh apologists one more direction to point their fingers toward. that too could backfire, tho. I think after that press conference & 9/11 commission, people are starting to notice that they never accept responsibility for anything

[Karenina]

6. June 30 is all about

getting a puppet gub'mint to sign off on a "Status of Forces Agreement."
Make no mistake about it.