Christians: Is Bush the Anti-Christ? (Seriously.)

[Tatiana]

I'm not saying he is, and scripture is always given to various personal interpretations, but sometimes I have to confess... I do wonder.



Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

"Either you're with us or against us." Since the moment Bush uttered that statement, I have never been able to get it off my mind. Does Bush mean with "us," or does he really mean with "me?" The majority of Americans, heck most of the world, is against this war in Iraq. Yet Bush persists with his (Cheney's et al) invasion of the country. He told the American people that our soldiers would be welcomed with open arms and flowers. He told the Iraqi people to worship America, worship him, or be killed. And that's exactly what's happening. Those that do not fall to to their knees and pay homage to the American flag in Iraq are murdered.



II Thes 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God

Have you ever marveled at Bush's sheer arrogance? Have you ever thought, "who does this guy think he is? God?" Perhaps he does think he is God or as great. He diverted $700 million dollars Congress appropriated for Afghanistan to secretly prepare for the invasion of Iraq. He thinks he is better than Congress, more powerful than the Supreme Court, even. He holds prisoners indefinitely at Guantanamo without giving the people being held due process or even letting them know what they are being held for. He has the arrogance to argue before the Supreme Court that our Constitution need not apply. He professes the Christian faith, but does not regularly attend a church. As you well know, he has deceived many, even true Christians.

Mark 13: 7-8, 12-13 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

There are a lot of things that can be said regarding Mark 13. I have a lot of thoughts running through my head right now, but let me just ask a few questions.

Have we heard rumors of war?
Can you conceive of nations and kingdoms rising up against each other?
Has Bush Jr. (son) in his acts and deeds betrayed Bush Sr. (father)?
Do others hate America and Christianity because of Bush (or his twisted interpretation of it)?

2 Tim 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts will they heap unto themselves teachers, having itching ears."

IIThes 2:3 "..for that day shall not come, except there comes a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."

Just think about those verses...

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;

Is there any doubt that nearly everything coming out of George Bush's mouth is a lie? Why is he testifying before the 9-11 commission with Cheney? Is this to keep his blasphemes straight. "There ought to be some limits to free speech." He is pro-environment. He is a "compassionate conservative." He wants to bring democracy to the Iraqi people. Iraq has WMDs and they are an imminent threat. LIIIIIIIIIIIES!

George Dubya says he doesn't listen to his earthly father, but instead a "higher Father." Why does everyone assume he is listening to/hearing from God?

What if he's listening to Satan?

**I realize, this is completely crazy, but ever since I left church this Sunday, I've been thinking about Bush as the great deceiver who will hasten Armageddon.**

[boobooday]

1. My mother-in-law is a Christian, and she agrees with you

She says she can see the mark on him!

I'm not a Christian, so I don't feel qualified to judge, but he seems to be subverting everything Jesus ever stood for, so that would see to be pretty convincing evidence!



http://www.wgoeshome.com

[0007]

39. She says she can see the mark on him!

Was that the mark of the pretzel?

[GOPFighter]

2. Check my sig-line

If he's not the anti-Christ of the Bible, he sure is anti- Christ's teachings.

[krkaufman]

16. Exactly

Exactly... lowercase-"a", anti-Christ.

I can't imagine him being more antithetical to JC's teachings.

Yes, of course, short of *'s being an outright serial killer.

Oh, wait...

[Turbineguy]

3. The problem with saying he is

is that he may not be and the real Anti-Christ can then just walk in.

He may be the Anti-Christ and he may be the designated decoy.

But I'm pretty sure he's not the Second Coming of the Messiah.

[Tatiana]

4. I've been thinking along those lines as well.

Maybe he's the decoy.

Either way, there is no doubt in my mind that he is evil.

[BeHereNow]

5. Read ALL of Revelation 13-

I do not think he is the AC, rather the FIRST
beast who lays the groundwork for THE AC.
Bush is gathering and decieving the false church
that will be lead by the second beast.
BHN

[FreakinDJ]

12. And Arnold fits directly into that picture

scary isn't it ??????

[SpiralHawk]

18. Skull & Bones

rattle, rattle, rattle

[Sophree]

28. I agree with you, beherenow

* is the head of the new church and is definitely being led by demonic forces (who he possibly thinks are godly.) He may, indeed, believe he is fighting the enemies of Israel, even though he is allied with them (Saudis.)

[kysrsoze]

67. I believe that title is reserved for BIG DICK Cheney

I hate Bush for being such an idiot/asshole, but Cheney is the brains behind it all.

[ezee]

8. AGREED! n/t

[Jacobin]

6. In a non-theological vein

His life is certainly the complete opposite of that which Jesus is said to have lived. And Smirk's policies foster consequences which are the opposite of those which Jesus is said to have espoused.

So, in the non-mystical, but purely pragmatic vein, yes Smirk's actions and his life are not at all in keeping with those of Jesus.

(I have no opinion about the mystical "devil-beast-awfulguy" stuff.)

[Deja Q]

7. Those pictures of him with the faux halo are utterly grotesque

If he's a self-appointed saint who tells us God has called upon him, then he truly is Beelzebub!

No argument or sarcasm from me.

[RafterMan]

9. If he is, we're in luck

because the Beast is only supposed to rule for 42 months, which is coming up soon.

Or do we have to subtract all that time he spent at the ranch?

[physioex]

10. I don't think soo...

Let me start by saying that I don't like organized religion. It's the true source of evil in this world. But if there were to be an "anti-christ", I always imagined him/her as an intelligent person who was good at manipulating people. Take for example Adolf Hitler from our recent history. Shrub does not represent that since he himself is being manipulated by the nuts from PNAC. He is also propped up by Karen Hughes and Karl Rove. Don't forget the right winguts such as Fallwell and Robertson who has a hand in the Whitehouse. Let's face it, Shrub could not testify alone before the 9/11 committee. Although his administration has done many deeds which I find totally despicable, the true anti-christs are within his administration and he is just pawn in for the ride.

[Tatiana]

About this manipulation thing.

Is Bush "incurious?" Yep.

Is he stupid? Not necessarily. The AC is a master deceiver. He does not reveal his true nature or capabilities.

It could all be an act.

[FreakinDJ]

11. You guys need to stop making So Much Sense

You starting to scare me with the exact same things I have been thinking too

[leftchick]

13. At the very least he is a false prophet....Matthew 7:15-23

Looking at Matthew 7:15-23, we find Jesus gives us the guideline for determining false prophets:

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

[Tatiana]

19. EXCELLENT POINT!

Let's see, what are the fruits of Bush?

-Record deficit spending.

-Increase in poverty.

-Increasing the number of terrorists.

-Uniting almost the whole world against America.

And he definitely was a wolf in sheep's clothing, coming in under the guise of "compassionate conservatism."

[w13rd0]

14. He's the Beast that heralds the coming of the Anti-Christ...

...consider that the Anti-Christ comes bearing the Book of Knowledge in chains...oh, wait...hurm...

[Gildor Inglorion]

15. Traditional Protestant theory

from Martin Luther until the present, is that the Papacy is the first beast mentioned in the Revelation and that a world leader is the second beast who "gives life to the image of the first beast." People have gone to great lengths to "prove" that Napoleon or Hitler (even Stalin) was the anti-Christ. There's an especially amusing passage in "War and Peace" when Bezuhov (sp?) "proves" that he is, in fact, himself the anti-Christ by getting the letters of his name to equal "666" using the Hebrew numerical system and ungrammatical French. As for Bush*, I don't believe he is important enough to be "that man of sin." When he's send packing with his tail tucked between his legs come November, he will disappear into the mists of history along with John Tyler and Chester A. Arthur - a mere footnote in the American historical saga.

[MoonRiver]

17. If it walks like a duck

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=bush+is+the+anti-christ&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D9acf7a0660432dca%26clickedItemRank%3D2%26userQuery%3Dbush%2Bis%2Bthe%2Banti-christ%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmirrors.meepzorp.com%252Fgeocities.com%252Fgeorge-bush-antichrist%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fmirrors.meepzorp.com%2Fgeocities.com%2Fgeorge-bush-antichrist%2F

[alittlelark]

21. I checked out that site not long after the SElection

It was creepy, and has been added to......more creepy!

I was raised with a Fundie Mom who believed in the anti-christ (thought it was Clinton for awhile LOL). She follows *'s every word as though it came from the mouth of the Lord. Very Sad.

Doesn't the Bible say that 'the Beast will fool everyone' - implying the religious?

[MoonRiver]

30. The odd thing is

that I never believed in any of that. I was raised a Methodist but always attended very liberal churches. My minister believes that biblical miracles (such as Mary's immaculate conception) are not literally true, but metaphors to teach important concepts. Now, that's liberal!

However, since the selection I am starting to actually think there is something to this anti-Christ business. * is the closest thing to it I personally have experienced. This is a very, very scary and evil person. I have also had a couple of visions that have led me to this feeling.

[Sophree]

31. That's what I try to point out to other Christians.

So MANY seem to be fooled by * and can't seem to see that he may be on the dark side. :shrug:

[Andy_Stephenson]

51. the anti-christ will fool many...

the Bible also talks about the "great lie" in the end times...

9-11 The great lie?

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[Moonbeam_Starlight]

20. I think you are giving him too much credit

I think he's just a twit. To put it mildly. He is a zealotous idiot. He is a prop.

Dont' sweat it, he'll be gone in November. January at the latest. ;)

[Tatiana]

23. Haven't we "misunderestimated" him for too long?

We thought he was just a twit in 2000.

He stole the Presidency from Al Gore.

We thought since the country was so "divided" that he would govern from the middle.

Instead he has pursued the most imperalistic and radical agenda of any President in our history.

He has:
-Rendered the EPA irrelevant.
-Dismantled the Constitution.
-Trampled our civil liberties with the Patriot Act.
-Invaded another country just because he wanted to, murdering thousands of innocent civilians and sending our soldiers to their deaths for no good reason.
-Fostered an environment where families work 40+ hours per week yet don't earn enough to survive.
-Control over the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the Media.

Excuse me if I sweat bullets. He stole one election and he'll steal another if he has to in order to achieve his ultimate goals.

[FizzFuzz]

40. And on this, the day of the March for Women's Lives,

don't forget his first act in office was the global gag rule--the result, witholding health care for impoverished women and children worldwide, sentencing them to fear, death and suffering.

Everyone here forgets the sexism of this regime...ok ok that was a generalization--not EVERYONE; I just see so many posts here pointing out the many outrages of this admin, yet neglecting to mention its war on women, a sign post he erected right from the get-go.

[rocktop15]

22. C'mon Now--This is rediculous

I think I have seen it all here on DU. The sky isn't falling folks. Leave America if you want, but come on, George W. Bush is not Satan. He might go down as one of our worst presidents ever along with a corrupt administration but he is not the anti-Christ. He's done a lot of bad things but don't be rediculous. I will be voting for Kerry 100% in November and encourage everyone I meet to do the same, but saying Bush is the anti-Christ does not win votes.

[Tatiana]

26. I never said he was satan.

I simply asked if he could be the anti-Christ or related to him, I guess. Nor am I endorsing "Bush is the anti-Christ" as a platform to win votes. Obviously that would be silly, seeing as how half of the country is being firmly deceived by Bush.

I just wanted to hear the thoughts of some other Christians on the board.

[rocktop15]

27. I thought the anti-Christ was Satan?

I went to a private Christian school for ten years so forgive my lack of Bible knoweldge lol.

[Tatiana]

29. Forgiven.

:)

No, the anti-Christ is not satan. He is only a tool of satan.

[Andy_Stephenson]

52. The antichrist is

Satan's son, like Jesus is God's son.

[smirkymonkey]

76. Or, just like George W. Bush*

is George H.W. Bush's son....

[BeHereNow]

50. Tell the World Church Council and the Pope...

...they are ridiculous!
Read this and please try to respect other people's faith
and why MANY people on the planet are contemplating
the warnings of Scriptures in regards to what is
happening on a geo-political level.
BHN
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html

[GreenPartyVoter]

24. The anti-christ, the beast, the prophet.. something

He's definitely not on the Good guys' side.

Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm

[Christ was Socialist]

25. Read the 2nd apocolypse of james

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/2ja.html

[Alexander Dyne]

33. No..he can't be..

The Antichrist will have ties to the Old Roman Empire and will most likely be of italian descent.

[JPJones]

37. Nice Protestant mythology there

Especially since the Holy Roman Empire and the concept of Italian didn't exist when the book was written.

[Alexander Dyne]

41. *Sigh*

I wish you could help point out to me where I mentioned any "book". Lastly, again I will say It is much more likely that he will rise out of the heartland of the old Roman Empire and that he will be of Italian descent. This conclusion is based upon a statement in Daniel 9:26. In that passage the Antichrist is referred to as "the prince who is to come," and he is identified as being from the people who "will destroy the city and the sanctuary."

[JPJones]

42. Yes, clearly Italian from that quote

Daniel was writing about the Babylonians, in a place that is now known as Iraq.

[Alexander Dyne]

46. Wrong.

It wasn't Daniel. That was Jeremiah who saidthat Jerusalem would fall to Babylon. I can see where you can be confused. The Bible isn't completely clear on the identification of the Antichrist..but I suspect he will descend from the Old Roman Empire..or come from the Middle East.

[JPJones]

47. As long as you are voting for John Kerry

I have no problems with what you personally believe.

[Alexander Dyne]

48. LOL

Kerry all the way, man. I dont think I could take 4 more years of Bush*

[smirkymonkey]

77. Oh my god, It's fat Tony!!

I knew that little greaseball was hiding something besides his outings with Cheney.

(joke people, I'm half Italian so I can say these things):evilgrin:

[Selwynn]

34. I don't believe in a literalized reading of Revelations, but if I did...

...this would be my theory as well. :)

[Shopaholic]

35. I've had this same discussion with my Mom

We're both Southern Baptist Democrats (a minority if there ever was one) and we both believe it's very well possible that * is the anti-Christ or at the very least, an agent of Satan.

[Andy_Stephenson]

54. You from Texas?

THere are a few of those there.

[Proud_Lefty]

36. Another thought to consider

In Revelations where it talks about the mark 666, it says something like, let the wise man figure out the puzzle of the beast that equals 666. About 25 years ago when I ventured into and temporary fell for the born again Christianity brain washing, someone told me about this scripture. They explained that if you take the alphabet by multiples of 6, A being 6, B being 12, C being 18, etc. - take all the numbers spelling out Kissinger and add them up. Guess what, it totals 666.

Everytime I turn around, Mr. Kissinger is still popping up and I always think about that. He's definitely in the background and was even the one who said we needed a new Pearl Harbor to proceed with the PNAC plan. When I hear him talk though, nothing worthwhile comes out, so maybe it's just something cool to talk about.

Anyway, the whole administration reaks of corruption and evil. Thank God they'll answer to their Maker someday soon.

[Gin]

38. I read somewhere that the antichrist had big ears...I never noticed shrubs

ears until the press started printing cartoons with him and big ears.

Just my 3 cents

[JPJones]

45. I didn't realize that John of Patmos spoke English

That is quite a Revelation.

[CBHagman]

59. I remember the bit about Kissinger, too.

I knew people who thought it was nonsense to suggest Henry Kissinger was the anti-Christ and others who bought it. There were even a few who thought God personally put Gerald Ford in the Oval Office.

Interesting time, that.

[number6]

43. yes (Seriously)

..

[gulliver]

44. Antichrist already came and went.

It was Nero. All of this modern Antichrist talk is a juvenile fantasy -- a thinly disguised Columbine-like nihilism.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/

[muriel_volestrangler]

49. In the Bible it's a general term

and only in the letters of John. eg

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

So where did the idea of The Antichrist come from? Yet another weird sect? If so, they're the only ones who can answer (in my Christian education, the term 'antichrist' didn't come up once).

[Tinoire]

53. The Beast announcing the coming of the Anti-Christ

You're not crazy



Everything God does, the Devil does in reverse. When Bush quoted that Messianic verse from Isaiah 61 (the same one used in Luke to announce the arrival of the Messiah), he was announcing to all Adepts throughout the world that Anti-Christ, whom many Christians will mistakenly worship as the Messiah, is about to appear.

In the words of the prophet Isaiah: "To the captives, 'Come out,' and to those in darkness, 'Be free'." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2994345.stm

Bush is mocking God with his blood sacrifice of thousands of innocent God-fearing Muslims.

Revelation 13, a hideous beast emerges from the sea, conjured up by the dragon (Satan). That was Bush on the Aircraft Carrier blaspheming God, mocking Him.

"Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."

Remind me again please who/what is bound in Heaven until the end of time when it and its minions will be cast out and unleashed upon the earth?



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This whole Iraq war is so steeped in occult, from the dates to the way they've divided to country to the ancient occult artifacts they seized when the musuems were looted.

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"What a fantastic audience we have tonight -- Washington power brokers, celebrities, Hollywood stars, Ozzy Osbourne ... The thing about Ozzy is, he's made a lot of big hit recordings -- 'Party With the Animals,' 'Sabbath Bloody Sabbath,' 'Face in Hell,' 'Black Skies,' and 'Bloodbath in Paradise.' Ozzy, mom loves your stuff."

George W. Bush



What kind of sweet old grand-mother loves songs called "Bloodbath in Paradise"?

Bloodbath in Paradise is what we are now witnessing in Iraq by the
Tigris and Euphrates.


==

Revelation 13

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.



4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


===========================
Sharon and Bush 'Will Fry in Hell'

(April 2004)

Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg: I think that what happened in Washington yesterday is a disaster. Sharon is licking his chops. He's going home to Israel to parade his achievement; he scored a famous victory. Bush is licking his chops. He thinks he's added about 10% or so to the Jewish vote that he will get in November. And so, Florida is more secure, and he thinks that he will himself be re-elected.

Both of them will fry in hell for what they did yesterday. And I want you to quote me on "fry in hell," because what they have done is that they have permanently put the United States at war with the Arab world.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/interviews/2004/3116arthur_hertzberg.html

[Tatiana]

56. Scary!

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Making war, power over other nations...

Frightening stuff if you really think about it.

Thanks for another insightful post Tinoire.

[Tinoire]

60. My pleasure... Here are 2 old DU threads

but I'm trying to find BeHereNow's thread about this written on the day Bush landed on the aircraft carrier: "The Isaiah quote from ****: BE AFRAID!!!" but when DU transitioned to the new server some of the threads got messed up and I'll have to comb the archives thread by thread until I can find the right misclassified one. It was around May 1, 2003 (when he landed).

The entire thread was frightening!

Peace


did * announce the Second Coming?
by Shockingelf

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=636&forum=DCForumID70&archive=#7

The Biblical Anti Christ and Todays Significance
God_bush_n_cheney

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=17559&forum=DCForumID66&archive=

[Andy_Stephenson]

61. That was a very thought provoking thread...

Wow! Thanks for finding it

I had forgotten that one I did. Thanks for it as well.

[Tinoire]

Dupe. Deleting

:

[Tinoire]

62. That it was! Can you help me find BeHereNow's thread?

The archives are mis-behaving for that day. I have a call in to Elad in Bugs and Forums asking if he can help. Yours and his/hers were the most important ones on the subject.

:hi:

[BeHereNow]

63. Hi Tinoire...

I posted that thread within hours of the Isaiah blasphemy,
so it should be in that batch from that day-
I haven't been able to find it though.
Thanks for posting the entire Rev 13 passage.
It should help clear up some of the confusion about
the first and second beast- I know you and I are
on the same page as far as that speculation goes.
BHN

[Andy_Stephenson]

64. I am afraid to ask what page that is...

But I think I am on the same page as well.

:eyes:

[Tinoire]

66. Hey!

:hi:

I am DETERMINED to find it again and post it for everyone's edification because that was a memorable thread. The problem is that that entire week is mis-filed! Hopefully Elad cam help.

I had found it once but darn, I guess I didn't book-mark it.

:hug:

[BeHereNow]

68. I think it has been web scrubbed.

It's not in the archives and so I did a web search for it-
Interesting, it made several other sites, all of which
had links to the DU source, but all of them dead...
Hmmm? Inneresting to say the least.
Guess we were not supposed to have that discussion,
and when it spread to other sites they clean up crew
was sent in?
BHN

[DoYouEverWonder]

55. The anti-christ isn't one particular person

it is a concept. Even the bible speaks about numerous anti-christs. With this concept in mind, W is certainly one of the embodiments of the anti-christ.

[Catherine Vincent]

57. Every president since Nixon has been pegged as the anti Christ.

Including my beloved President Clinton.

[Tatiana]

58. True.

But no one seems to fulfill the prophecies as much as Bush does, IMO.

[indepat]

65. I would never speculate on such, but he does have the right instrument

(as commander-in-chief of the military of the world's only superpower) at the right time and the right place in history concomitant with his claiming to be doing God's work and doing it with a messianic zeal.

[mmonk]

69. Naaaah

Just some right winger from the far west lower south corner of the earth right before the edge.

[Liberal_Dog]

70. Nero May Be The Anti-Christ

Some theorize that the Roman Emperor Nero may be the Anti-Christ spoken of in Revelations. Nero persecuted the early Christians, so they would have seen him as the ultimate evil figure.

[mmonk]

72. yes and the style of writing such as revelations

was a kind of way people struck back against a stronger foe they couldn't defeat.

[Joanne98]

71. Babylon is the opposite of Jerusalem

Bush sits in Baghdad on his throne. But why is Israel helping the beast? Maybe the anti-Christ is going to be Jewish. Like Pat Robertson said.:)

[Andy_Stephenson]

74. The Antichrist...

must be Jewish...to fulfil prophesy.

[jokerman93]

73. What I don't hear anyone saying

Even if biblical prophesy is nothing but illiterate speculation concerning the ambiguous kabbalistic imagery found in the Book of Rev, the political exploitation of people's belief in such prophesy is no longer technologically, militarily, or geopolitically out of the question.

The more frightening questions for me are:

1. Who stands to profit from the unfolding of an Armageddon-like religious holocaust that could potentially engulf the world in a war of unprecedented duration and destruction?

2. Who has the expertise to engineer a religio-political, bible-based racist cult movement in America?

3. Who gains politically by the ability to manipulated these people from the podium, pulpit and AM radio with biblical triggers?

Hard questions like these, have answers such as:

1. The arms, energy, and construction industries
2. Sun Myung Moon
3. PNAC and the current Bush administration

Personally I wouldn't put it past some of these individuals, to try and produce and orchestrated a faux unfolding of prophesy in order to solidify power.

[Comadreja]

75. You're close, very close

[smirkymonkey]

78. I don't consider myself a Christian

but that is a pretty accurate description of * and his impact on the world.