Did Dems & Repugs made Deal: Chalabi Out/Troops Bomb Najaf/Falujah

[KoKo]

Seeing Senators Lugar and Rockefeller just now, agreeing with each other that Sadr must be romoved showed me that something is going on. I think a "deal" has been cut with the Democrats and Repugs for Bush to give up on having Chalabi head the new Govt. as a trade off for allowing our troops to go into the holy city of Najaf threby creating chaos all over Iraq.

To see Rockefeller saying over and over "I agree with Senator Lugar, I agree...I agree...I agree..." was sickening.

And all the Sunday pundit shows seem to be saying we are going to go into Fallujah and Najaf to "route out and kill" the insurgents. Kimmit was on saying it this morning also. If they don't give up their arms we are going to go in.

As an anti-Iraq invasion protestor, I didn't think I could get any sicker over this but to see this complicity between Repugs and Democrats at this time...is beyond despair.

[Democat]

1. Our current elected Democrats usually seem to give in to Repubs in the end

Would you be surprised about anything after what we've seen in the last few years from our elected "leaders" of the Democratic Party?

We need to get Bush out of there before there's nothing left for our side to give away.

[hedda_foil]

2. When Rockefeller and Lugar (also Hagel and Biden) agree ...

You are hearing the official Council on Foreign Relations position. If a deal was struck (and I'll bet it was) it was not between Dems and Repubs, but between the * administration and the establishment. Kerry (also CFR) is their shot across the bow that if * doesn't do things their way, Bush is toast.

[librechik]

3. if they invade Fallujah and Najaf the theory that the US WANTS

chaos in order to justify our continued commitment will in my mind be proved.

I hope something else is afoot though--more like an agreement to dump both Chalabi and Bush and to leave Fallujah to the UN to pacify through diplomacy.

Only the most rabid of the neocons (the ones still clinging to executive power here despite their demonstrated criminality) are still in favor of destroying Fallujah. Even Kristol thinks they fucked it up and should stop.

If they win this one I don't see how we can ever overcome the damage to our "honest actor" reputation in the world.

[Cocoa]

4. Rockefeller doesn't represent all dems

usually the dems you see on the Sunday shows are the most hawkish ones. Biden is another one.

[peacetalksforall]

5. So is it OK to bomb and invade the holy city of the Vatican

or any other holy places

ask Native Americans.

Darwin and the Maslow types had it all wrong...

people don't evolve

The disciples and Luther had it all wrong...

Christians are not Christian.

[KoKo]

7. Christian Zealots are not Christians. They are people hiding under the

guise of being Christians. Like all zealots they look to a religion to rubber stamp their evil. (Bush has got me using the word, alot lately)

But, the evil Bush talks about, is the evil within him and his Fundie followers just as his PNAC'ers are evil tools of zealotry in one of the other great religions of the world.

Zealots who arise should be seen and stopped before they can wreak the havoc on the world they always do.

But, we never see them in time to stop them. We never see it until it's too late...

And I am angry that the Falwell followers have done this under the "cloak" of their version of Christianity, and we Christians didn't stop him before he was able to do this by countering him. :-(

[KoKo]

6. Farek Zacharia, on ABC this a.m. warned that going into Najav would be

more destabilizing to our troops. He said al Sadr would hole up in the Mosque with his closest supporters and the troops would not be able to perform a "surgical" strike, (apparently Kimmit is saying we can take Sadr our with a special ops mission), to get him out. He said this would only increase anger in oppostion to the US there.

The others on the panel didn't agree. Biden walking his "line," George Will said we have to show toughness and strength, Repug Senator Kyle said toughness to break their will, and Zakaria told the truth.

Biden's typical complicity (while appearing to side with Zacharia on some points) was his typical slime his way through to be in the "middle."

If we bomb a Mosque and kill Sadr, I think the Middle East will Blow. A thousand new terrorists will be created and we will never stop the individual attacks of suicide bombers and guerrilla tactics.

We have learned nothing of history in the Middle East, or our experience in Vietnam. Nothing....We are a cruel and vengeful country with politicians so involved in their own re-elections and stuffing more wads of dollars in their pockets that we won't clean this mess out for decades, if ever. :-(

[peacetalksforall]

8. Notice how our talking about the politicians stuffing their pockets never

seems to do any good...

we just keep electing them and they keep on taking.

How many straight ones are there?

Attention: Dem Hawks in Washington - we don't want killing. We're not happy that you blessed it, condoned it, and exploit it. We're not happy that you do not think peace.

We don't want you representing us. Guess I better say, representing me.

[joanski01]

9. I don't think that toughness

will break their will. The more of their families that we kill, the madder they get. Don't these guys get it yet that everything they said was the right thing to do has been proven to be the wrong thing. Today, I am officially scared over Fallauja and Najef.