Expansionism? Is the BushCo doing a de facto Colony thing

[opihimoimoi]

disguised as a fight against Terror?

Early stages of colonizing another Nation calls for subjugation of the People, with or without force.

[Vladimir]

1. Neo-colonialism

There are differences in methodology, but the essential premise remains one of exploitation and theft of natural resources (under the cover of spreading democracy, the 21st century white man's burden).

[opihimoimoi]

4. Its the Spice after all, LOL. These guys are So clever, thinking

they can get away with it. Tojo, Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Rome, Spain, Portugal, etc etc all tried and failed. You would think these supposed learned people know HISTORY

[Vladimir]

5. Its always the spice

Af Puff Daddy once said, in an entirely different context: 'Its all about the Benjamins baby...'

[opihimoimoi]

7. But how long must we endure the pain of blood and treasure

allowing this BushCo Move? It seems all the solutions they have tried in the recent past...have failed. In NFL terms: These guys are out of their League.

Score: Bush zero, Loloness 867948475.8354

[Vladimir]

8. Who knows?

but we have to fight regardless of how hopeless it seems. First we get Bush out, then the real battle begins - to push Kerry as far to the left as possible.

[AG78]

11. The thing is...

they do know history. And history is all about power. It's just our turn. Wolfowitz is right. With the fall of the Soviet Union, we're left with being the lone power, and we're going to take advantage of that.

I don't agree with it. I don't agree with what PNAC wants to do. I want all of us to be moving toward a better, different world. But in the end, the people with the power ambition always win out. Peace isn't profitable.

I don't think it matters who the President is. The military-industrial complex took over the government years ago, and I don't see any way you stop it. With a Republican, you'll get there quicker. With a Democrat, they'll busy themselves with diplomacy, but end up in the same place.

You get money to make the bombs and weapons. You need to find out if those bombs and weapons work. You could test them, but battle is where you really see how they work. So war is needed.

After you bomb everything, it's time to rebuild. Well, the other end of the complex comes into play. They get plenty of money to rebuild what was destroyed.

After you find out how well the new bombs and weapons worked, you get more money from the government. If the weapons worked well, you get the money to make more. If they didn't, you get more money to design new and improved weapons. Either way, you make a fortune.

What happens then? You have to find out how well the new weapons work. And the dance continues.

I doubt they even care about their kids. They do care, but if they can make a buck while they're in power, and live the good life while they're on this planet, that's the #1 option. After they're dead and gone, why would they care if the planet blows up? They're all about the profit.

They know about history. And they want their piece of it. Just like China. They have a billion people, and they're starting to industrialize. They want the good stuff we've had for so long. They want their SUV's. They want their consumption. They want their 59 different flavors of ice cream. They want their easy entertainment filled life.

King's used to have everything in the palm of their hands. Our leaders want the same. They know they're going to die eventually, and they know nothing lasts forever. That's why they want their slice of the pie now.

[opihimoimoi]

14. Peace not Profitable?? I beg to differ. If one take the wealth produced

(GNP)in our United States in one year and appropriate parity in Defense and Peace Spending, I believe the return from Peace would far out weigh Defense... especially so when Power is in the wrong hands.

Did I just say that? What are the signs of a wrong leader, a lemon if we dare?

Currently about 12% of our Gross National Product goes to pay our Defense Spending. Peace Corp, United Nations, and a few other Peace programs total a meager 1% or less of the GNP. Result. Inadequate Investment to wards Peace.

Another sign is Deficit Spending and/or increasing National Debt.

Myopia, lack of good foresight, poor vision for Future.

Allowing Degradation of Environment

Hardly any GIFTS to our Future Children, mostly Debts and a dirty Planet.

Can it be this way and better? Of course it can, all we gatta do is Pray, Wish, Hope, and Work/Think for it.

Come, no give up, we go try

[rucky]

2. ab-so-fucking-lutely

I wonder if Bush/Cheney's offshore operations are counted into their job-creation figures

[Kanary]

3. Yes, indeedy, and I'm ashamed of my country.

Plus, I'm not really sure it will change under Kerry.

It's all such a hopeless feeling.

Mea culpa to the rest of the world.

Kanary

[opihimoimoi]

6. It need not carry on if we all carry the torch/ the Flag, and the Spirit

for What is Good, What is Right, and What is the Truth.

Do not dispair, the Fight has only begun, We can and will stifle the cancer threatening America...."Compassionate Conservatism". It is a movement innocent in name but diabolical in reality.

[Kanary]

12. And therein lies the problem, opi

The staying power of USians isn't the strongest.

It's only the few, the brave, the..... idiotic(?) :) who have the nerve to keep on keeping on with the struggle against imperialism. The rest will breathe a sigh of relief that Kerry is now in office, so all is copasetic, and get back to the mall. I desperately wish it were different, but.... I don't see much hope in that.

From our imperialism in taking over this land from it's original inhabitants, through the conquest of Hawai'i, up through Vietnam and on to Iraq, we just don't seem to be learning much.

Kanary, who needs to be pardoned for having a bad day and losing sight of much hope.....

[opihimoimoi]

17. Don't despair, the Calvary, the Marines, the Navy, and the Fly Guys

not to mention the Greenies, the Sane, the Pragmatic, Those tired of being left behind: and we not talking children, Those wanting more to life, Those that are tired of being led by selfish people who pose as Leaders...... They are coming to their senses. America is slowly waking up to the real world and are finding out they got HAD. And by that I mean too many people invested in Bush and now they see their Investment(Vote) is a rather POOR ONE.

We are going to win.

[charlie]

10. Roger that

What we've gotten ourselves and ordinary Iraqis into is dismaying enough, but that it's the bugshit insane Republicans in the midst of wrecking everything good and fine in our own country directing the horrorshow in New Iraq, is beyond bearable. We'll never be, can't be forgiven for this.

[Kanary]

13. Roger indeed, but......

will it be any better when it's the Dems who inherit, and *continue* the same insanity?

That's what's really upsetting to me. If it's a repeat of Vietnam, and the Dems continue a war same as the old war......

As for forgiven......... that would definitely smash relationships around the globe.........

Kanary

[Minstrel Boy]

9. At long last, can there be any doubt?

The "war on terror" has been a hoax since 9/11.

The age of America ruling the world by its coercive soft power was waning. America's great remaining capital was its military might. That might is now being wielded, unapologetically, and without much bother anymore to craft a convincing pretext, in the task of securing and exploiting the world's remaining strategic resources and checkmating potential rivals.

It's all laid out in their own documents. Not just PNAC, but the Bush defense strategy.

Remember Cheney's Christmas card?

[TahitiNut]

15. "We"?? No. "Global Corporations"? Yes.

It's plantation politics.

[krkaufman]

16. They *tried*...

... but I think they'll be unsuccessful. We'll be booted out at some point, from both countries.

[opihimoimoi]

18. The Victory Sanity and Reason is waiting for is but a thought away.