MSNBC: Kerry Losing Young Voters

[Jack_Dawson]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4799451/

Just wait til they get their ass drafted...they'll be singing a different tune.

[frank frankly]

1. bullshit.

no way.

[cindyw]

2. B*llsh*t. Wasn't there just a poll that Kerry kicks Bush's tookus with

young voters?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

They're lying.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

3. he lost 11%

and look wh turned up with 11%. As much as MSNBC wants to give Bush credit in any of this, this is slearly a swing from Kerry to Nader and a gain of zip for Bush.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this campaign is alienting the youth and is doing it at it's peril.

[Jack_Dawson]

5. Nader is a Dick

And anyone who thinks otherwise is pretty Naive - or a Bush supporter.

[AP]

9. I don't think Nader is a total dick, and I don't think I'm naive.

I admit that there are big problems with Nader. But I suspect that now he's only appealing to people who would have tuned out.

I think there were studies of 2000 which suggested that Nader might have kept people paying attention when they might have tuned out and not voted, and that 90% of his preferers ended up voting for someone else (90-95% for Gore).

Nader could serve the function off keeping disgruntled liberals paying attention, and if Kerry is close at the end, I bet most of them go with Kerry. And it's better to have them paying attention than to have them tune out early.

Think about the primaries. Say you were a BIG Dean, Clark or Edwards supporter. Say they never participated. Do you think you would have gotten so interested without them in the race? Do you think that there might be people like you who might not even vote if they weren't paying attention? I think so.

I think there's a big advantage to having Nader participate that will make his participation either a wash or net gain for Kerry.

[Minstrel Boy]

18. Very good analysis, AP.

Worth repeating:

"Nader could serve the function of keeping disgruntled liberals paying attention, and if Kerry is close at the end, I bet most of them go with Kerry. And it's better to have them paying attention than to have them tune out early."

[Sparkly]

24. Why couldn't he do the same thing

without running?!

[AP]

25. If he doesn't get on the ballot anywhere, that's a pretty good description

of what is going to happen.

And it looks like he's not going to get on the ballot.

So, if you want Kerry to win, it might be time to be introducing all your friends who don't like Kerry at all to Nader and hoping Nader keeps them tuned in so that there's a chance they do decide to come out on election day to vote for the most liberal guy with a chance to win.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

28. anyone not paying attention

is brain dead.

[AP]

29. When you can win or lose by 300 votes, you want the votes...

...of the brain dead too.

But, the fact is, people who would have tuned out of Gore vs Bush because they found it boring, but stayed tuned into Gore vs Bush vs Nader becaue it was a little more interesting weren't neccessarily brain dead. They were probably smarter voters than 95% of the people who voted for Bush.

[liberalcapitalist]

31. you are naive

You would settle for Bush in an election against Reagan. I won't settle for Kerry in an election against Bush.

[AP]

4. The must have seen this coming in polling months ago.

I noticed that when Kerry started releasing the photos of himself windsurfing, etc. -- the X-sports -- he started to do better generally.

I bet a lot of that was targeted at 18-30 year olds.

And I'm sure they have more of it up their sleeves.

Look for pictures of Kerry drinking Mountain Dew.

Bet it works.

[0007]

6. MSNBC will sprew out any propagada the White House wants

Most University students will be voting this election for John Kerry. They know a vote for junior will certainly bring in the Draft.

[Catt03]

11. The article is from Newsweek

posted on the MSNBC news web site

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

7. MSRNC? Nooooooo!

[against all enemies]

8. A vote for Nader

is a vote for the draft. How many young people want to vote for him now?

[liberalcapitalist]

32. A vote for Kerry is a vote against Wellstone

You disgrace Paul Wellstone with your rhetoric. VOTE FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN. That is what the late great senator said.

[DeaconBlues]

10. And next week there will be another poll that says Kerry has

again has double-digit lead with young voters. These polls are such bullcrap!

And how do they explain Kerry's supposed loss of a double-digit lead? That's right, they don't. It's all about statistics and research design. Don't believe the hype!

[Deja Q]

12. Thanks to DU, I know what a fraud Nader is. So here's what needs to happen

Kerry needs to reach out to the Lefties tempted to vote Nader (unwittingly or otherwise) and compromise with his centralist friends.

I'm voting Kerry either way because I don't like Nader's hypocrisy and desire to destroy the Democratic party. He's openly made comments saying so, or as I recall reading on DU. Nader's actions and closed-door statements are the antithesis of the Green party.

But the usual whining of "A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush" will only alienate more. We NEED to reach out and give everybody on the Left a say. Otherwise we are no better than the pukes (who clearly don't listen to many on the Right).

(edit->) If nothing else, make Nader look like the fool and fraud he is.

[AgadorSparticus]

13. these damn journalists can't make up their minds. I just saw something

where bush is losing the young voters. Can't cite the source cuz i can't freaking remember it but I do remember them saying the only young population bush has on his side are the punks. I think it was on one of those investigative reports on TV. And the ones they interviewed looked like skinheads to me and i'm not surprised that they would be more republican than democrat. They have role models in the trent lotts of the right.

No REAL punks would be conservative. That's an oxymoron. but i think the vast majority of college students tend to be more liberal.

Besides, I don't believe this nonsense for one minute. I saw Russel Simmons, the grandfather of hip hop and a media mogul, on bill maher and he's stepping up to the plate and calling for political awareness. getting everyone to vote. Notice that Chuck D is on AAR.

This is the repug's defensive/offensive move to, once again, make us doubt ourselves. They recognize the strength that we have. It's just unfortunate that we are too busy undermining and second guessing to see it too.

[Christ was Socialist]

14. Well this is a good thing

The youth of the nation are no longer naive thanks to the net. The party elite has a choice, either come back to the left base, or watch nader top 5 million votes this year. I know 100's of people who can't vote for kerry because of thier conscious about the war, 40 left the party over it, likining it to the liberals giving hitler carte blanch. Over 60% of college students identify themselves as independant, and african americans are departing as the party goes center. No longer can the party keep taking everyone for granted. Look at bush going after the far right corporate fascists and religious right at the same time, while kerry is afraid to utter unity between the left. I wonder if he will say socialists come unto me.

[Old and In the Way]

20. That'll teach those Democrats!

Those 5 million voters are gonna love what the Republicans have in store for them. But it'll be worth it, for no other reason than teaching the Democratic elite that they weren't "left" enough. And what's really neat is this will guarantee the end to any chance that they'll be an opposition to Republicans for the forseeable future. The wedge will be driven firmly between the center and left, just like Rove et al. have been working so hard to accomplish.

That $600K investment in Ralph will turn out to be the best money spent by the Republicans in this campaign.

And then we can listen to all the Nader voters tell us it was all our fault because we didn't pay enough attention to them. I can't wait.

[emulatorloo]

22. Cool! Rove likes Divide and Conquer! It works just great!

Who will listen to the left? Kerry maybe. Bush never.

[CalebHayes]

15. Why do you think this is happening?

[seabeyond]

16. we saw a poll just last week saying kerry way up

with college students.

[BGrier]

21. Yeah - NPR Reported That Poll

What the hell is going on? Someone is lying or there is absolutely no science to these polls.

[October]

17. That's weird. Their online poll always has Kerry way ahead.

[Snellius]

19. If Kerry sticks to the DLC/Bob Shrum line he's in trouble

The lesson of the recent polls was not a boost for Bush, but a bump for Kerry, losing ground to Nader, who, even without any party affiliation, is doing better than he did in 2000. Some of this, like with many polls, may simply be a "vote of protest" which may turn more realistic when bush comes to shove, but if it's not a stark wakeup call to Kerry, he's going to compromise himself away.

[jburton]

23. HUGE Margin of error 5.2%

For the NEWSWEEK/GENEXT Poll, Ipsos-Public Affairs interviewed 351 registered voters age 18 to 29, from April 5 to April 18. The margin of error is plus or minus 5.2 percentage points.

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This is bullshit polling. 351 polled.

[leesa]

26. The headline should read, "MSRNC trying to make us BELIEVE

Kerry losing young voters" Remember these corporations have billions invested in Bush and the takeover of the planet. They MUST create the illusion that the race is close in order to steal the election.

[AgadorSparticus]

27. BINGO!!!

[liberalcapitalist]

30. I won't settle for Kerry

I was waving the ABB flag, but that was when I was assuming Dean would be the nominee. Or maybe Clark. Or worst case scenario, Edwards or Gephardt. But not Lieberman, and not Kerry.

If you vote for Kerry then you're voting for the Iraqi War, the Patriot Act, NAFTA, faith-based initiatives, and lower corporate taxes.

[DeepModem Mom]

33. The trouble with this poll is Gen X and Gen Y grouped together --

Studies, and anecdotal evidence, indicate that they are hugely different. I call Gen X "Reagan babies" (present company excepted) -- raised on Reagan. Gen Y, born l980 and after, I believe, has an entirely different world view. I think there was a recent poll showing Kerry well ahead among college students. They are all Gen Y-ers.

On edit: My email to Newsweek --

I believe your Genext polling has little value unless you separate Gen X from Gen Y in poll results. In fact, I would be very interested to see such results. Preliminary studies, and anecdotal evidence, indicate that these two generations are very different in their political attitudes and worldviews. I call Gen X "Reagan babies" -- raised on Reagan -- for whom conservatism is the norm. Gen Y, born l980 and after, are the children of Boomer parents. Early studies show them blind to race and color and otherwise tolerant of differences among people, global in thinking, skeptical of advertising and consumerism, trustful of direct information (unfiltered by media commentary and "spin") gained from the internet. Please consider separating these two demographic groups in your reporting, and polling, on Genext.