Bush just murdered 3,000 North Koreans trying to kill whats his face.

[Joanne98]

How much you want to bet. I'm beginning to think Bush is the "Beast" in Revelation. It would be funny if he was since all the christians are voting for him.

[ewagner]

1. That's a little

too much tinfoil for me.

[ILeft]

26. Why wouldn't they try it? Assassinations are all the rage.

There are so many reasons this is plausible- the personal disrespect Kim Jong-il shows the Chimperor, the in-your -face tie-in of Cheney's visit, the cost savings of a few billion for payoffs to carry out the attempt compared with a full out war that the US won't be able to carry out for a few more years.

It makes pretty good sense... to a neo-con psycho. I can just hear Junior Bush telling Dr. Rice, "F**k Kim Jong-il. We're taking him out."

[Joanne98]

29. Exactly. We're taking him out. The chimp HATES disrespect.

He'd do it for that reason alone. Remember the "the Presidents feet can't touch dirt" deal at the 9/11 memorial service just recently. Who do you think thought of that. It wasn't the Secret Service that's for sure. It's him. It's like he's jacking off himself all the time. He is soooooooo sleezy. I can't figure out why the fundies can't see him. You would think they would recall "the big trick" in revelations. It's like they're zombies. They're suppose to be fighting evil not voting for it. You would think the Pope would say something at least. grrrrrrrrrrr

[nonconformist]

78. "the President's feet can't touch dirt" ??

Oh my... I must have missed that. Fill me in please.

[dpibel]

97. Breslin's column

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/newyork/columnists/ny-nybres113703317mar11,0,1118887.column?coll=ny-ny-columnists

[AgadorSparticus]

88. They can't see him because it's called a CULT. They can't see him.

They've been programmed not to. They will drink kool aid for the guy and engage in christian jihads in the name of american pride, democracy, and freedom.

These neo con "christians" are just as insane as their muslim fanatical counterparts. I don't see too much of a difference. Both have blood on their hands in the name of their respective gods.

[Guaranteed]

30. Absolutely.

This is a frickin' assassination attempt.

Come ON, folks. It's CHENEY.

[smirkymonkey]

37. Yeah, but for a psycho like Kim Jeong Il

to call Cheney "deranged", there must have been something pretty whacked that came out in their conversations.

Could this type of thing have been what he was talking about?

[ShaneGR]

91. I love how the author doesn't know the NK's leaders name

But pretends to know anything about what's going on. Some blabber about revelations. Gees, some of us leftists are starting to sound like ultra-religious cult leaders.

[YankeeFan]

93. I don’t know about anyone else, but…

I’ve noticed that many Left Wing authors around here seem to be carbon copy RIGHT Wingers. Just change the subject here and there and the writing style is identical. In short, many Liberals here sound just like Conservatives. Just change the subject matter of the invectives and you could not tell the difference.
And thinking about it a bit further, how many people here are really Conservatives, but are here because they hate Bush? Change things here and there, Instant Liberal.

[liberalhistorian]

2. WTF are you

talking about?:shrug:

[rocktivity]

9. The North Korean leader traveled by train through the area

on his way back from China nine hours earlier. I'd hate to think that even Georgie is capable of missing by that much--though he is capable of not taking the time difference into account. Excuse me while I check my phone book. Korea's 14 hours ahead of Eastern Standard time...

:tinfoilhat:
rocknation

[Joanne98]

32. Is it nine hours? The time difference. LOL

god they're so incompetent. That makes alsolute sense. Or maybe they were "sending a message". They love doing that. Sending a message on Earth Day. How clever. They're so transparent. I can't believe the American people are still asleep. If they don't wake up pretty soon we're fucked.

[Sterling]

94. Clinton missed OBL by 12 hours.

I keep having to remind people. Could have been an accident, maybe not.

[Tinoire]

13. Thousands Dead or Injured in N.Korea Rail Blast-YTN

Thousands Dead or Injured in N.Korea Rail Blast-YTN
Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:44 AM ET

By Jack Kim and Martin Nesirky
SEOUL (Reuters) - Up to 3,000 people were killed or injured when two trains loaded with fuel collided and exploded at a North Korean station Thursday, hours after leader Kim Jong-il had passed through, South Korea's YTN television said. YTN quoted witnesses in its report while South Korea's Yonhap news agency, which spoke of widespread destruction, also said there were thousands of casualties. Neither Yonhap nor YTN gave a breakdown of deaths and injuries.

Yonhap quoted sources in the Chinese city of Dandong that borders the North as saying the explosion occurred around 1 p.m. -- nine hours after Kim's special train was reported to have passed on its way back to Pyongyang after a visit to China.

"The station was destroyed as if hit by a bombardment and debris flew high into the sky," Yonhap said, quoting the unidentified Chinese sources.

The sources said cargo trains carrying gasoline and liquefied petroleum gas collided at Ryonchon station 30 miles south of the border.

Yonhap also quoted a senior Defense Ministry official as saying the South's military -- which eavesdrops on North Korea -- had heard about the blast through "intelligence channels directed against the North."

<snip>

North Korea's official media broke their silence on Kim's three-day trip to Beijing Thursday -- strongly suggesting Kim was safely back in Pyongyang -- but did not mention the explosion. Kim does not travel by air when he does venture outside North Korea.

<snip>



http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=4910109§ion=news

[Joanne98]

42. Two trains loaded with fuel. Using trains as missles.

Gee. There's all kinds of good messages in here. Who would have ever imagined?

[rooboy]

3. Not sure there are 3000 dead...

but the timing so soon after Kim Jong Il's train trip from China does seem very suspicious. I really hope it was an accident, though, because this is not something the North Koreans would take lying down...

[nostamj]

6. Air America reported 3000+ dead

during the 11am newsbreak

cable 'news' seems to be ignoring it.

michael jackson, sorority shockers, * giving an 'earthday' "speech"...

[Zero Gravitas]

54. 3000+ dead OR injured

according to South Korean media (who seem to be the only ones with any information sources on this)

[seabeyond]

4. beast in revelations

this is what i am saying. two months ago talked to fundie teacher of my boys and she held up bible to me and said it is not going to get better. and since then i see it is the fundie creating it. they may be ready for end of world i am not

these people are truly doing it and they have the power. n korea i dont know havent heard enough yet, just getting on tv

[JuniperLea]

8. i've always said that

it's been a long time, but as i recall the bible said something about even 'the chosen' being fooled by the antichrist... that he would have all the answers.

tinfoil? hmmmm... like conspiracy theories? hmmmm... i've thought dubya was the antichrist from the git go.

[jobycom]

12. Well, we're safe then

Fundies aren't the chosen, they are the condemned. And Bush hasn't had a single answer since he was born, other than answering "yes" to booze, drugs, and infidelity.

[Mistress Quickly]

31. the internet is the anti-christ!!!!

:tinfoilhat:

[Throckmorton]

64. Hey, I siad that first.

Way back in 1995.

[Mistress Quickly]

71. Well you were right!! eom

[Throckmorton]

65. Hey, I siad that first.

Way back in 1995.

[tom_paine]

57. The Aftermath of 9-11 conviced me he was the Antichrist

So much goddamned Smirking and Smiling. So much "Cat who ate the canary" looks when discussing the dead.

Then, as if Molotov himself had written a little play, after all that smirking and smiling which promptly began again after, the "Crocodiel Tears" photo op because after three days people were strating to wonder aloud about this Monster Bunnypants*.

After the 9-11 comission I am more convinced than ever that it was LIHOP at the very least.

Yes, Smirky is very likely the AntiChrist, and why would the fundies notice? The Bible tells us that that they will ALL be fooled, that they will help Satan's Helper while thinking they are doing the work of Christ.

Sound familiar? It should.

[Joanne98]

14. Self fulfilling prophecy's. They predict it then make sure it happens.

They're an evil cult as far as I'm concerned. They're also the most dangerous faction on the right. A culture of death just like Al Quaida. The Bin Ladens are just farther along in their disease. Our fundies will get there. Give them time. And be prepared to bust them when they start to nut.

[bleedingedge]

46. Speaking of prophecy

I was at raptureready.com yesterday trying to learn more about the belief in the rapture, etc. I gravitate toward any kind of end-times prophesy. Anyhoo, whenever I read this stuff, it creeps me out for a few days. Here's what's been going through my mind since:

Turns out that the "rapture" belief holds that a "new Roman Empire" will play a part in the rise of the antiChrist and beginning of the end times. Of course, the Biblical scholar at that site was postive that this was the EU. Of curse, that's easy because "hey look how close Europe is to the old Roman Empire!" and also, of course, the EU is a conglomeration of states.

However, the Roman Empire was not a collective of cooperative states was it? I thought it was a conglomeration of captured or subdued states with limited self-governance (because I can't spell sovereignty). Ain't that a better description of our very own country, specially now that we seem to be laying for Iraq, N. Korea, etc.

Additionally, the antiChrist is supposed to be a man (no vaginas allowed) who works for peace but somehow ends up producing a conflagration. So how in hell would that work? Well, you talk about war as a means to peace, exactly like Dear Leader has done since about 9/12.

It's also said that the aC will be able to quote scripture to suit his purposes. Ever notice how rarely religion plays a part in GW's political life EXCEPT to justify otherwise nasty stuff, like war?

Somebody get me a tin smith/haberdasher STAT!

[Ysabel]

51. oddly and wierdly (albeit mildly) interesting...

by the way - hello and welcome...

[On the Road]

5. Assissination was the First Thing that Occurred to Me

although if it was, it could have been an internal attempt.

NK is pretty hard to penetrate. If Bush did put a hit out on Kim, it would make more sense to do it on a foreign trip.

[hang a left]

17. Well if it actually was an assasignation attemp.........

there intelligence sure sucks. Nine hours off the mark. I think if it is not actually an accident, it is some type of warning.

[On the Road]

50. That's One Reason I Suspect it was Really an Accident

if it were ten minutes off, it would be more suspicious.

[Tinoire]

76. They possibly "leaked" a bogus time or switched at the last minute

without announcing it.

When Castro was visiting the US, he kept leaking fake itineraries and switching plans at the last minute in order not to be an easy target.

No "enemy" leader in their right mind would let the Bush cabal know what their plans really are.

Time to stop thinking they're stupid.

And yeah, our intel sucks. We totally suck at Humint and are sorely in need of linguists. We can processing & analyzing it- no machine in the world can do that and unfortunately we went to machines in intel.

[Guaranteed]

21. It could have been a bomb from above. nt

[Joanne98]

7. Nothing is too tin foil for me. The man is pure evil. He likes to kill

Now we know what that snake Cheney was doing when he slithered over there last week. I bet they got the Chinese capitalists communists to do it. I wonder what they paid them. They've also got a naval blockade going up in the area. Terrorist threat according to that liar Mueller. They say they're searching ships. I wonder what they're really doing. I bet if the Dems started demanding democracy for China the Repigs would block it. They LOVE China just the way it is.

[Stephanie]

10. I forget where I read recently - If BushCO wins, then Korea is next

They will move against Korea in 2005.

[seabeyond]

11. cheney threatened preemptive nuclear attack

what a mere two weeks, one week ago?????????

dont get to point tin hat at people when cheney mouths like this, they hide everything adn lie about everything.

the ask, insist we look at every possible "conspiracy"

[Joanne98]

47. Bush is like a little boy who likes to get caught with his hand in the

cookie jar. He stands in the kitchen with his hand in the jar waiting for his mom to come in. HE LIKES GETTING CAUGHT. He wants us to know. Cheney's visit is downright in-your-face. It's a big sign. Bush is bragging. (see what I just did) (I'm so tough) (What you gonna do about it) (I can do whatever I want) He's drunk on power. He's drunk on blood. He likes to kill. Remember Carls Faye Tucker? He was mimicking her in a girls voice. "Please don't kill me" He roared with laughter. It shocked even his friends. You'd have to ask a shrink but I wonder if the more he kills, the more he needs to kill. He is an addict. Maybe he's gone from beer to blood. I wish someone would do a profile. that book, The Bush Dylexion, or something like that. I think that guy had him figured closer than anyone. The good news is he's such a braggert that he's getting caught on purpose. Maybe he'll self destruct.

[Guaranteed]

48. You're totally right. This guy

is a sick, sick fuck.

Don't forget the fist-pumping and "I feel good" comments before the Iraq invasion.

[Imajika]

15. So I suppose you haven't considered....

...the possibility that it was either an accident, or perhaps some North Koreans themselves that attempted to kill that monstrous obsenity of a Stalinist leader?

You do realize that the Kim Jong Il essentially runs a giant prison camp right? The stalinist leadership in North Korea is responsible for creating one of the worst hellholes on all of earth.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if some North Koreans finally tried to knock ole' Kim Jong Il off.

And by they way, no matter what happened, North Korea is going to find a way to blame the United States. That is just what they do, and it seems to be what you do as well.

Odds are it was just a rail accident, but we will probably never know for sure because there is absolutely zero freedom of press in communist North Korea.

Imajika

[seabeyond]

28. my first flash was leader doing it

and absolutely can be merely a crash. and could be something cheney did. you are right. and may be challenging learning cause it is a closed society

[Joanne98]

52. I would consider it if it wasn't for Cheney's visit and Earth Day.

Do you have any idea how much Republicans hate Earth Day? I'm telling you this man, if you want to call him that, is a very very sick puppy. I would love to be a fly in DC today. Everybody has got to know how ill he is. I just hope someone is making plans to do something about him. They've got to be talking about it. In whispers. He's getting outrageous.

[maxsolomon]

84. or the chinese

they've got to be sick of NK's crap by now.

[Guaranteed]

16. My God. This is unbelievable.

You're right. I bet Bush did this, Kim Jong Il was there nine hours before.

Trains don't run into each other very often- it's pretty easy to avoid it. My bet is that this was a bomb from the sky.

[smirkymonkey]

44. Funny that you say that, two trains just collided a few

days ago at Penn Station in NYC - right underneath Madison Square Garden (where the puke convention is supposed to be held) - no explosion, but there were some injuries. Hmmm...

Ouch, tinfoil hat getting tighter! :tinfoilhat:

[jeanmarc]

18. Mods, please lock and remove this topic

This is just a bunch of bullshit that makes us look bad. Not a bit of evidence at all, none...zero....zip.

[Guaranteed]

20. What???

You don't think this at least needs to be discussed? Il was there nine hours before?

Two TRAINS ran INTO each other??

[jeanmarc]

23. Bingo

Yes, I appreciate some of the tinfoil theories, but trains DO hit each other all the time. Look at the timing, it's way off.

We have some tinfoilers here, but this post takes the cake. It's absolutely absurd.

[Tinoire]

77. Maybe you should find a "rational" board more to your liking?

Where they wait to hear it from Fox or CNN?

I can't understand, for the life of me, what attracts such "rational" people to this board and to these threads unless it's a desire to police the conversations up so that, heavens forbid, we not upset the supporters of the status quo.

EitherMaybe you should consider using the "hide thread" feature :shrug: rather than trying to stifle discussion?

[Spoon]

27. Two trains ran into each other in NYC just last week...

injuring dozens. And these were just passenger trains moving slowly. Take two highly explosive trains and you have can easily have a "Texas City" sized disaster.

http://www.local1259iaff.org/disaster.html

[Joanne98]

34. Why? It's probably the truth. Somebody has to say it.

All evil needs to florish is for good men to stay silent. That's what they want. Besides, it's probably all over the internet by now anyway. Everytime the tin foil hat crowd is right "conspiracy theory" gets more credibility. The ridicule isn't working anymore. People know it's true, it their guts. They just don't want to face it yet. But sooner or later they'll figure out they have no choice. Sooner hopefully.

[Guaranteed]

36. Cheney just went to China, then Jong Il went.

They were trying to use China as an mediator.

It sounds to me like it wasn't working out that well. Maybe China decided to side with us, and help us take out Jong Il on his way back.

[jeanmarc]

39. Well, then, I probably must be an astronaut, someone has to say it.

[YankeeFan]

95. So Why is North Korea Clamming Up?

If it HAD been an assassination attempt, why is there such a stringent news blackout coming out of the North? “All evil needs to flourish are for good men to stay silent”. So why the quiet? This story is coming almost exclusively from South Korea. Remember South Korea? The one that Doesn’t have a Communist Government? Remember now? If it WAS an assassination attempt the North would be blasting the news all over the place. But it is quiet as the inside of the Bush Leaguer’s skull on Saturday Morning.

No Real American would slaughter thousands to get after just one person, no matter how low the species in question. If the Bush Leaguer were to actually to try to kill him, he would have been the target of a Hellfire missile. We’ve already done this a couple years ago in (I think) Yemen. Check your history books. America always tried to do “Surgical Bombings” all the way back to World War II. Look up the Norden Bombsite.

Come on people. Try to think with a bit of logic. Sooner (This November), or later (2008), Bush 43 is going to leave office. And there is no power on earth that is going to stop that. IF we get a good, solid Democrat in the White House, and if we keep up this assassination garbage, the world will still not trust us. They will say if a Republican will try an assassination, why not a Democrat? Come on Americans, stop Spamming America.

[dpibel]

98. Does the name Osama bin Laden ring any bells?

You say: "No Real American would slaughter thousands to get after just one person, no matter how low the species in question."

I seem to recall that, somewhere in the misty distant past, the USofA did precisely that, in a forgotten land called Afghanistan. It even occurs to me that there was a rather one-person aspect to the invasion of Iraq.

Oh, wait!! You were subtly saying that George W. Bush and his merry band of rangers are not "Real Americans."

Very good.

Carry on.

[Ysabel]

56. control issues...??? n/t...

[jeanmarc]

61. Crappy topics like this make this place look absolutely stupid.

I like it here, but look at the stupid title of this thread. If you enjoy a witchhunt mentality, then that's for you.

At least the tinfoil folks have a few shreds of evidence put together to support their views. The title of this post "Bush just murdered 3,000 North Koreans trying to kill whats his face. " explains everything:

1. Doesn't even bother to know who 'whatshisface' name is.
2. Accuses of murder without a shred of evidence, that's positively freeperish
3. Takes advantage of a horrible tragedy to push an agenda(just like Bush)

Sorry, but this thread is entire shite.

[Ms. Clio]

100. Then stop posting in it

Stop reading it.

Problem solved.

[FL4GORE]

74. Sorry guys,

Have to agree, this does make us look bad.

[Tinoire]

79. Good.

Last thing we want is to look good to the Freepers :) ; that would be the death of those who question and dissent and the final laying to rest of the Democratic Party.

Thank God we asked questions after 9-11 and dug and dug before it was fashionable to do so & THANK GOD we IGNORED all the provacateurs coming to DU to tell us how bad our digging was making us look.

[FL4GORE]

87. Don't get me wrong,

I'm not saying we should EVER stop asking questions. But blaming BU$H for train wrecks is a little silly. We're talking N. Korea here
for cripes sake! This was a tragic accident.

[Tinoire]

89. Yes... It may seem a little silly at first

but. with Bush, my theory is "Balme him first, exhonerate him later" otherwise he gets too many free passes & we KNOW how guilty he is.

[FL4GORE]

92. Fair enough.

[Guaranteed]

19. Should we be expecting a reprisal?

Is it time to pack up and head to Canada yet?

[moosedog]

22. I thought the same thing many times....

It very well could be the way it is.

[Muddleoftheroad]

24. NINE HOURS?

Hell, even Bushco ain't THAT incompetent. It might have been a local job or, more likely, one of those things they call an accident.

[hexola]

35. Or a message..."Don't Ever Come Back"

[Minstrel Boy]

25. If Bush had done this, or even if this could be spun

to appear as though Bush had done this, North Korea would have said so.

That Kim Jong Il passed by nine hours earlier seems like a lot of leeway, even for "missed him by that much" US intelligence.

When the US takes a preemptive strike at the DPRK, I think it will be at its reactor. I don't think there's anything here but a very tragic accident.

[Ms. Clio]

101. I don't think they would say so

It would make them look way too vulnerable.

[Guaranteed]

33. Some interesting news surrounding China/NK from Yahoo:

China says it offered aid to N.Korea during Kim's "successful" visit:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040422/wl_asia_afp/nkorea_china_040422130317

North Korea's enigmatic leader makes 'secret visit':

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0421/p07s01-woap.html

N. Korea, China Leaders Meet, Talk Nukes

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040420/ap_on_re_as/china_nkorea_5


Just for starters. And people are calling this a coincidence? I don't frickin' THINK so.

[hexola]

38. Sort of disappointed with the Freepers on this one...

Can't seem to find any speculation about the magnitude of this blast and whether it would be possible given the materials mentioned so far...they are usually pretty good on all the guns and explosives stuff...

[gauguin57]

40. kim's perm

Although I don't put ANYTHING past Bush ...

If they wanted to assassinate Kim Jong Il, all the CIA would have to do is pay off Kim's hairdresser to poison his permanent-wave solution!

[ShaneGR]

41. IF it is an assasination attempt, much more likely the Chinese

If you knew anything about that region, you'd know that. Trust me, the Chinese think Little Kim is more trouble than he's worth.

[Guaranteed]

45. Totally agreed...

I think the Chinese are in on this. Thus Cheney's meeting before Jong Il's.

[Joanne98]

59. I know that. That's what Cheney was there for. But you also know

the Chinese don't do anything for free. They're a damned extortion machine. I wonder what they're going to say. I don't bother reading their newspaper. All these people are monsters. It's like they're making each other worse. Bush is a bad bad influence. when the good guys go bad everybody gets worse.

[Sterling]

96. I think you may be right.

They would have as much motive as anyone else. Probably better means than us in context as well.

[theboss]

43. Well, then Bush is really incompetent

Because they didn't come close to hitting their man.

My guess: two trains collided and blew up real good.

[MetaTrope]

49. Maybe Bush thought that based on the example set by Spain,

the North Koreans would vote Kim Jong Il out of office.

Oops...

[Catherine Vincent]

53. That's kinda over the top.

Bush* is evil but he's not that evil. Cheney on the other hand.....

[Joanne98]

55. You can have this thread locked if you want but

I'm standing by my theory. This stuff isn't even shocking to me anymore. You got to get into his head. You don't even want to know what I think they might do this summer if his poll numbers keep going down.

[jeanmarc]

62. Your theory is positively freeperish[nt]

[Tinoire]

80. Au contraire mon frere; I am afraid the reverse is true

No freeper would ever even entertain the thought that Beast Bush, precursor to the anti-Christ, would be capable of using planes trains as a weapon.

The freepers prefer any other explanation than that one; it allows them to be self-righteous about how good America is :)

Wave a flag. Kill thousands of people but don't care- just keep waving that flag because Die Männer im weißen Haus haben gesagt!

In the meantime... Sorry (deepest apologies & all that crap but) Bush can be vilified for anything even remotely possible... In the fine right-wing tradition of "Kill them all, let God sort them out" we'll let the Judge sort it all out at his trial. How's that for a Liberal compromise? :)

Until then... Bush's evil cabal gets not one, NOT ONE benefit of the doubt because we have already seen how far they will go AND how inept they are.

[jeanmarc]

83. Well, I disagree with your view

But you represent it quite well. ;)

[leanings]

58. Across from the White House...

used to be a dude who hung around with these really elaborately done signs claiming that Al Gore had been kidnapped by aliens and replaced by an android sometime around the beginning of Clinton's second term. As evidence, he had two big blown-up pictures of Al: one of pre-kidnapping human Al, the other of post-kidnapping robot Al. Unfortunately, THEY WERE THE SAME PICTURE.

At least that guy was entertaining.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

60. Nah. But if you want tinfoil - HERE is some tinfoil!

We know Bush wants to attack North Korea, but we also know that he couldn't pull another Iraq. People just won't buy it. So what is an evil dictator to do? Well, it is all spelled out by PNAC - if you want to get the US public behind something - you need "a new Pearl Harbour".

What is one thing we know about North Korea? They have a distinct energy problem, especially oil and gas - rather like the Japanese before WWII.

So, say you wanted to attack North Korea, but politically you couldn't do it. What would you do? Well, you would need to get North Korea to attack you! (hmm again, reminiscient of Japan pre-WWII)

Now we know NK has a weak spot (fuel) and here are these two big JUICY trains loaded with fuel. If, say, a little accident were to happen, how much pressure would that put on NK's fuel supplies? Would it be enough to convince them to try and seize South Korea's fuel?

The Japanese attacked the US because the US was preventing them from getting fuel. Would the Bush cabal think this might be a good way to get their war on?

[ignatius]

67. Stop it now, you're scaring me. I keep thinking about the comments

a year or so again from N. Korea that they had nukes aimed right at California. Surely even Bush and Co aren't that nutty enough to instigate a nuclear attack. However, we know they have those oh so sweet bunkers to protect their sorry asses.

[Karenina]

75. Yes, STOPPIT RIGHT NOW YOU WANKER ! !!

:spank: ;-) :loveya:!

[Tinoire]

81. Boy is it good to see you!

This is all deja-vu for you isn't it? Except that in NZ they were never this evil about their right-wing takeover (corporate merger shall we call it?).

:loveya:

[Devils Advocate NZ]

102. Hey Tinoire!

I haven't been on much (except over the last two weeks - mid-semester break) because I started a degree this year, and well, I can't stay up late on DU much now :(

There is a line in a song from Split Enz (a famous Kiwi band of the 80's) that goes: "History never repeats, I tell myself, before I go to sleep."

That line is kind of a cynic's prayer - you don't believe it, but you hope if you just repeat it often enough, it might come true. Sadly, it never does. Everything going on in the world right now has happened before, and will likely happen again, especially if "we, the people" do nothing about it this time (just like all the other times).

Perhaps there is one aspect of what is going on now that hasn't happened before (not from want of trying though) and that is that this time it's for keeps. If the "dark side" wins this time, we are through. It just will not be possible to overcome their technological advantage in the future.

Basically, it's now or never. We have to fight this time or the next time we won't be ABLE to fight them. Let's put it this way - whether Kerry wins or loses, the real fight will only just be beginning.

As many people know, I believe that what happened under Clinton (the "Al Qaeda" attacks, the bad intel misleading Clinton into attacking the wrong targets, the attacks on Clinton himself) were all part of a Bush Cabal plan, and I believe that should Kerry win, the same thing will happen to him, except FAR WORSE.

If Kerry wins, I gaurantee there will be an attack on America that makes Sept 11 look tame in comparison, and it will NOT be Kerry's fault. It will, once again, be a Bush Cabal operation.

Remember, the plan is to create an empire, and what does every empire need? An emperor. The Bush Cabal is going to try and make a Bush Cabalist an emperor, but that means completely overthrowing the US way of life.

What went on in New Zealand is like batting practice before the World Series - lessons were learned, but the players weren't REALLY serious. Now the game is on, and they are playing for ALL the marbles.

[makhno]

86. Yes, that sounds plausible

When I read that the accident railroad is DPRK's main link to China, it did connect a few dots in my mind. The energy angle and the transport angle to DPRK's main and perhaps only ally are definitely possible precursors to an invasion or an attempt to pressure the North into attacking the South.

[bpilgrim]

99. distinct possibility

and think of the PERSONAL msg it sent to kim being he had just passed through that place.

either way you know the neoCONs must be salvitating :scared:

peace

[Ripley]

63. Are you trying to be funny?

Cause Smirkaholic can't even ride a foolproof scooter, how the heck could he arrange for that to happen?

[jus_the_facts]

66. Poppy and his other ex CIA buddies maybe?

.....set it all up last week while Unka Dick was over there or some such....I don't put ANYTHING past these diabolical PNAC psychos ?!:tinfoilhat: :shrug: :tinfoilhat:

[Ripley]

68. I know, I know.

They are a diabolical lot. But when everything bad that happens is blamed on the BFEE, it reminds me of the "Clinton did it" protestations from the repukes.

[jus_the_facts]

70. Yeah...their *mind control* tactics work like a charm don't they.......

.....force feed the public obvious lies and propaganda so they won't know what to believe....as they literally destroy the world behind an innocent veil of *freedom and democracy for all* It's the illusion of reality bought and brought to you by the BFEE and GOP! :crazy:

[Minstrel Boy]

69. The Times of India is reporting an interesting story.

I'm still inclined to say it's an accident, but there may be more cause for suspicion than I'd first thought.

North Korea clamps down on news

SEOUL: North Korea appears to have cut international telephone lines to the area to prevent information about the explosion getting out. The North appears to have declared a type of emergency in the area.

Yonhap also quoted a senior Defence Ministry official as saying the South Korea's military - which eavesdrops on North Korea - had heard about the blast through "intelligence channels directed against the North".

There was no immediate suggestion the blast was anything other than an accident. But the explosion came after Kim met China's new leadership during a rare foreign visit to discuss the North's nuclear weapons plans and tentative economic reforms.

A railway worker on the Chinese side of the Dandong border crossing told Reuters he had not heard of a blast and had seen no signs of any emergency effort under way.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow/633261.cms

[Hammie]

72. Holy Cow!

A train wreck in N. Korea 9 hours after Dear Leader passes through the area is an assination attempt?

Your tin foil hat is on way too tight.

How about this:

Dear Leader's unscheduled express train from China disrupts regularly scheduled traffic throughout the border region of N. Korea. Harried railroad workers fatigued after an entire shift of trying to sort out the snarled traffic, accidentally send two fuel laden trains down the same track where they collide in a massive explosion that kills thousands of Dear Leader's loyal followers.

[jokerman93]

73. this sounds like the plausible explanation

This sounds like the plausible explanation the discussion required from the beginning.

However, listening to NPR righ now, the "event" is being described as an "impact" of some kind. That tells me there's some backpeddling and uncertainty still about what happened.

[Tinoire]

82. You're right

We'll wait until the cold day in hell when Fox news talks to us about bad US intel :eyes:

[ConcernedCanuk]

85. I've seen one theory overlooked

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Maybe the only piece of disinformation is the "9 hours" ?

Play with that one for a bit!

Has anyone seen Kim since the "incident"?

Maybe is WAS just 9 "minutes"

Who knows? :shrug:

[Must_B_Free]

90. The number 3000 jumps out at me

I haven't formulated a conspiracy theory yet, but what strikes me and what I have brought up a few times is the number 3,000.

We literally have no verifyiable news, yet they are pushing the number 3,000.

From a fundie standpoint the death of 3,000 is about conscription and change of era. It happens twice in the Bible and on 911 we are told that the death of 3,000 means that the "world has changed forever".

One thing I haven't heard is that maybe Kim did this himself to use it in a Bush style justification to blame the enemy of his choice and thereby justify an invasion in the eyes of the world. Can't he legitimately claim it to be anyone and get a free pass on an invasion and mass murder?