I think Franken is going to bump the dittohead

[muchacho]

they seem to be getting less cordial.

[pissedoff]

1. yeah baby

go al....

[wryter2000]

3. Welcome to DU

:hi: PO'd

[muchacho]

4. Reps are all for people making buckets of money..

...unless they are liberals that at any point speak out against unfair tax rules.

[SemperEadem]

18. and what's so sick about it

is that most of the freeps dont' make nearly the kind of money required to be accepted into Bushco's circle of theives---once the dust is all settled, they're going to be on the outside looking in, with no opportunity to take part in the 'fun'.

this fact is so lost on them... you can see them now, standing there with their mouths agape, saying incredulously "what about me?", with the answer being "what about you? grab an oar!" :::crack of the whip:::

[newyawker99]

17. Hi pissedoff!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[el_gato]

2. cube rats need love

[K-W]

5. He's being a realy dick today.

With a completely stupid attack on Franken. Franken is having trouble addressing it though, which is unfortunate, it should be easy to handle this guy.

[NewJeffCT]

13. agreed

I was disappointed they didn't take him to task with some of Lakoff's stuff - rebuilding the infrastructure, etc.

I was stuck in a huge traffic jam at lunch time and to hear Franken get tongue tied on this was disappointing.

[soleft]

6. Franken is missing an important argument

He's going to need to keep his tax refund to pay for 1) his retirement when there's no social security 2) his kids education because there will be no benefits there 3) increased sales and property taxes


And Lampkin's food argument she gave was really lame

[K-W]

7. This is almost embarassing for Franken.

A dittohead just made them do cartwheels. That should have been an easy argument to shoot down.

[ant]

11. how so?

There's often this sort of weird logic to questions freepers ask to prove their point, and it makes it hard to counter them because their questions are just so absurd you literally don't know where to begin.

If I understand this correctly, this guy is saying that because Franken complained about tax cuts for the rich, and he's rich, he should give the money back to the government. I guess his argument is that Franken is a hypocrite and immoral for keeping the money he argues he shouldn't have.

I mean, can you even do that? Can you just donate that much money to the government?

This is not an easy argument to counter. It is technically accurate - if you don't think you should have something then you shouldn't accept it - but the problem is that we're not talking about individuals we're talking about a SYSTEM, which I think is what makes the question absurd.

I don't know if I'm explaining this well...I can't even explain it to myself. Freeper logic is just fucked up.

[K-W]

12. You misunderstand me.

I realize the dittohead had no point, but Franken didnt make it sound like he had no point. By having a difficult time responding Franken made it sound like the dittohead had gotten him.

[ant]

14. what I meant was

I was wondering how this is an easy argument to counter. (Other than just saying, "that's ridiculous," which is never seen as a legitimate counter even if it really is the reason.)

Like I said, I think his point is technically accurate and so I'm not sure that it can be countered.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

16. I think the Cons are aware of that...

Its sort of a brilliant strategy. Fall back on irrationality and flimsy moral standpoints than can't be countered by any logic. Al can't give back the money, and you and I can't give up using roads and public utilities. It makes for a good argument, but a straw-man none the less.

What bugged me about the whole exchange was that they were dealing in micro-economic terms, whereas the issue is definitely macro. Its important how the tax code affects Mr. Franken, but its also important how the code affects you and I. This point was not addressed.

[orwell]

19. Look in the Mirror

I would counter it this way.

Since the government has set a tax rate for me which I feel is too low for my tax bracket, I will be free to directly apply those monies which I would otherwise pay in taxes to funding something like, uh, a radio station that will promote my views.

In other words, I will use my money to promote my beliefs, educate the public, and apply political pressure on those in office who can actually change things.

The alternative, to send in extra money, will be used to promote the aims of the Republican party, which is the majority in all branches. What isn't acceptable is Republicans complaining about funding the Republican passed priorities. In other words, it is Republicans who have gotten us into this fiscal mess and they still complain about supporting it through tax payments.

Now who is being hypocritical?

O

[K-W]

8. double post

[central scrutinizer]

10. since the guy doesn't want to pay taxes

Franken should make him commit to not drive on any roads (paid for taxes), ever call the police or fire departments, send his kids to public schools, or invade any countries.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

9. The Dittohead had been taking a beating..

I guess he felt it was time to give some back.

However, his argument was an old one. It was thrown at me when I got that $300 refund check back in '01 - 02? Unlike Franken, I had no choice to use that refund for bills, just like my current refund (namely because of my current unemployment and the myth of a living wage). But I really thought they were splitting hairs, and totally missing the point. Mark wanted Al to send the money back, but Al sends some of his surplus income to charities. The larger issue was skirted, but not addressed. Namely, how the tax code affects EVERYBODY.

[PA Democrat]

15. Franken should ask why should only those people

with a conscience pay taxes? Franken should pay more so that vermin like Limbaugh can get a bigger tax cut? The greedy pigs should pay the minimum and good liberals should pay more?

And are we to believe that bush would use that extra tax revenue to pay down the deficit or fund things like health care and education? He'd just let Cheney hand it over to Halliburton, or some other corporate campaign contributor.