Zahn: Kerry's a bad, baaaaad Catholic

[Neecy]

Did you see her eyes light up when she speculated that Kerry's pro-choice stance might "lose the election" for him when Catholics flock to vote for Bush*?

The interview with Flynn was utterly nauseating. This guy doesn't represent the Catholic church, he's a former US ambassador to the Vatican. The whole thing was slanted to make it appear that Kerry is not only is a bad, baaaaad Catholic but a bad *Christian*.

What a hatchet job. I wanted to vomit. I'll post a transcript when it's available.

[doni_georgia]

1. saw first few minutes

then I had to flee to the bedroom to listen to Janean. Are we electing Kerry to be the Pope or the President?? Who gives a rats ass if he agrees with the Catholic church on every issue. Can tell you right now that Bush doesn't agree with the Methodist church on every issue.

[fearnobush]

21. My email to Paula:

Paula: I am a Catholic and I agree with John Kerry.


I'd like to ask you: "What's better, Pro boy rape or pro choice?"

You better not dare to wedge John Kerry against Catholic voters like myself. You will entice the anti-Catholic people to smear the church with evil boy rape cases. This will further dis-credit the Catholic Church. And further reduce it's active membership. I saw a post about what you said and it just proved to me what a Media Whore you really are. I have not watch your show and never will.

Send comments to Paula:
<http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form4.html?19>

[PCIntern]

2. she really is a terrible person

what a crew: Crowley, Zahn, and Woodruff.

Not one decent person if you sum the three of them. CNN uses the women to do the dirty work - Wolf is the set-up man.

[PaDUer]

31. Zahn's just pissed because..

Kerry never gave her a tumble or second thought!

[mot78]

37. Don't forget Bill Schneider

Ultimate media whore.

[K8-EEE]

3. She SUCKS!! This Is One Catholic Family For Kerry...

She is the WORST!

[Bill McBlueState]

4. yeah, wtf?

It's not like pro-choice Catholic politicians are anything new, or rare. They're only slightly less common than pro-birth control Catholic politicians.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

5. Damn CNN!!!!!!!!! They're worse than Faux!!!!!!!!!!

Damn her existence!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[diamond14]

6. reTHUGlicans tried that crap on the last Catholic named JFK....

they are just alienating themselves...

as a life-long Catholic, I still remember the garbage that was slung at John Kennedy...including "a Catholic can never be President"...and then, he was KILLED....

and Catholics have NOT forgotten...and we understand the slander against Kerry....but you can count on it: JFK has the Catholic vote and there is no slander that can change that....sorry bush* minions and parrots...we're not impressed....

[Blasphemer]

24. Amen...

It certainly does smack of the same anti-Catholic rhetoric we've heard in years past. It's either that Catholics will be beholden to the Vatican or they are bad Catholics if they're not. It's disgraceful. Most Catholics are Democrats and most Dems are pro-choice. There is really no issue.

[KittyWampus]

7. Bush Is A BAAAAD Catholic... Pope Told Him Not To Invade Iraq

but he did it anyway.

Pope sez don't use death penalty... Bush not only used it... he enjoyed it. Remember how his eyes lit up during the debates?

[RoundRockD]

8. I never watch Paula Zahn and I'm trying to stop watching CNN

altogether. I'm Catholic and my whole family is Catholic and there is no way in hell that we would ever vote for Bush.

[Classical_Liberal]

9. If it were a deciding issue with Catholics account for the Kennedys?

? As for some sort of official church censure, it might actually be a good thing since nobody likes the Bishops now.

[PCIntern]

10. It is just unbelievable that she

gets away with this idiocy night after night, no one steps forward to say, "HEY, what the hell are you saying? From what corporate colussus did you derive your power to deride anyone who's trying to be honest, to make a difference, to stand up for the real Americans, as well as your power to dismiss anything which may be said against the forces of despair and derision of those who aren't making 400K a year, and who initiate unwinnable wars based upon outright lies?" That her anger and outrage during the NY blackout was because she couldn't get all made up and blown-out and she looked terrible on camera and we saw her for what she is: an unattractive, sniveling, self-centered fool who is a caricature of every made-for-TV movie about narcissistic news people who themselves become the story.

[Old and In the Way]

29. Yowza! You are so correct in your analysis.

I got this theory, that reasonably attractive women are a criteria for TV and they make the best talking pieces for the RW. Many men are attracted to a pretty face and will, over time, absorb the message. If they had ugly guys delivering the spiel, I think the message would be far less effective.

[leesa]

11. Why doesn't someone just stuff a sock in this useless WH tool's

piehole. She NEVER has anything of value to say.

[blondeatlast]

12. This is shameless exploitation of a situation that must trouble

JK terribly. I can't imagine what it must feel like to be told you can't have Communion (I have some "wrong" Catholic views, too).

But, hey, it makes a great story, so let's dress it up and whore it out, shall we?!

:puke:

[goclark]

13. Paula Don't Go There!

The nerve of the evil peron!
I don't think she wants to go in that direction!
Bush may be born again but I still want to know, what church do the Bushies regularly attend with their girls gone wild?

[PCIntern]

16. I'm sorry

but you're NOT ALLOWED to talk about the Bush goils - any of them. This is a rule which was created after Chelsea, and the hurtful things which Rush said about her, which won't be repeated except to say them about 9 million times, just to show how bad they were, and to show how much she resembled the WH dog. W never should have said that she looked like a dog, and we wouldn't have said she looked like a dog except that maybe we were a little bit too excited when we saw a dog and it looked jsut like Chelsea, who might be described inappropriately as dog-like.

So therefore you can't say anything about the lovely Bush daughters, even though word is that one's in rehab. Shhhh.

[SharonAnn]

44. 'Lovely". Hmm, like LBJ andhis two "semi-beautiful daughters"?

I still remember that insulting phrase.

[fearnobush]

14. I am a Catholic and I agree with John Kerry.

I'd like ask the media Whore Paula, "What's better, Pro boy rape or pro choice? She better not dare to wedge issue this or the anti catholic evil boy rape cases will futher dis-credit the Catholic Church. And futher reduce it's active membership.

[Nicholas_J]

15. A Fox poll that is an hour old states

That religion is not having an effect on Kerry's campaign or his polling. They refer to a Fox Poll fron earlier this week that indicates Kerry is favored by more Catholics than Bush, and has a hgher favorability rating among Catholics than Bush:

snip...

...But Catholic Democrats disproportionately backed Kerry over his opponents during primary season, and a Fox News-Opinion Dynamics poll taken earlier this week shows that of 269 registered Catholic voters polled, 47 percent supported Kerry while 41 percent preferred President Bush. Catholics also have a favorability rating of Kerry of 48 percent, while the general public has a rate of 43 percent. The margin of error was 6 percent.

The numbers have led some analysts to question whether Kerry's departures from Catholic doctrine will have any impact at all..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,116723,00.html

[dflprincess]

17. I don't know if my relatives are a good measure of this

- we're IrishCatholicsDemocrats (one word - just like Tip O'Neil said) and the spirit of rebellion runs strong - but most of them are still practicing Catholics and don't like the Bishops pulling this stuff. As my aunt said, they're setting us back 45 years or more. The fear that a Catholic president would take his orders from the Vatican was laid to rest by John Kennedy and now we have the Bishops trying to resurrect it.

I know this will not affect the Kerry votes in my clan. In fact, I think this could back fire on the bishops much like the "good Jew/bad Jew" letter Rudy Boschwitz' tried using against Wellstone in the 1990 campaign.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

19. Bingo!!! Rudy "Bullschitowitz" tried the Religion Card....

and he lost to Wellstone.

[jfxgillis]

25. Yes. But the good news is, Archbishop O'Malley ...

.... seems to have sharp enough intuition to see that backlash coming, too:

"Rev. John Ardis, director of the Paulist Center, said the Kerrys had received Communion there and were always welcome to do so. Asked if he had been instructed not to offer Kerry Communion Ardis said: "No. Definitely not. I got a call from them (the archdiocese) an hour ago ... They wanted me to know that the archbishop has not taken a stand and he is free to receive the Eucharist." (emphasis added)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040408/pl_nm/campaign_kerry_catholic_dc_2

[knight_of_the_star]

18. Sorry Paul(a)

I admire John Kerry more for telling the Pope to keep his nose out of American politics than I would ever detest him for disagreeing with the Pope.

[dolo amber]

20. Did you also notice the graphic

that was used for the story's pre-commercial bumper? At the bottom of the screen it said:

"Not a prayer"...:eyes:

What that has to do with Kerry's pro-choice stance is beyond me, but it was sure a great subliminimal message, eh? :grr:

[Neecy]

32. I noticed that...

I had walked into my living room and was going to automatically flip Zahn off (as I always do - it's a self-preservation instinct) when I saw the graphic.

The look on her face was absolutely giddy as she speculated happily that Kerry could lose the election, so I decided to watch the segment.

What's the deal with Flynn? He was a Clinton appointee and was trying like hell to create this massive Catholic wedge issue. Zahn hardly had to egg him on.

[Miss Authoritiva]

22. Wow, they're way ahead of schedule....

I didn't think the Kerry and Catholicism stuff would start until after the conventions. But then again, everything else is going so bad for Bush right now. So the current slogan is: Vote for Bush: He's not Catholic.

[Hekate]

23. Someone should tell Paula that W was rebuked by every church...

...in the country except the So. Baptists, in the lead-up to the war. And that includes the Catholic bishops who were meeting in DC at the time, who had troubles of their own to attend to.

Regarding papal endorsement of a US presidential candidate--he is, with all due respect, the very type of a "foreign potentate" to whom office-holders are not to swear allegiance. Antonin Scalia should take note.

In 1949 another Roman Catholic hierarch tried to insert himself into US political life by saying to Eleanor Roosevelt "...I shall not again publicly acknowledge you." The poet Archibald MacLeish had this to say:

ACKNOWLEDGMENT

Prince of the church whose lofty mind
Looks down upon the whole creation --
You who *acknowledge* human kind --
Consider, Prince, your place and nation.

Prince who can acknowledge man
-- The word hurts and the spirit winces --
Prince, consider if you can
This land acknowledges no princes!

Hekate

[PsN2Wind]

26. Kerry needs to take off the gloves

with everyone RW surrogate attempting to cast him in a bad light.
If I were him, I would have to speak to the Bishop of the Boston Archdiocese and point out to him just HOW much I would hate to point out the hypocrisy of a decision to deny me communion after having to pay 85 million dollars to settle for covering up for sexual abuse over a lot of years.

[cap]

27. somebody sure doesn't understand the Catholics...

why is it that the states in the Northeast that are very liberal are also very Catholic?

They are trying to split the Catholic vote and this will backfire on the bishops. Catholics are split over pro-life and pro-choice.

[Cleita]

30. I'm already bored with this.

It's just plain anti-women. It's a wedge issue to make Kerry look like an abortionist. Even on the broadcast news' sites they called him a pro-abortionist. This is not the truth. Pro-choice is not pro-abortion.

It really is a dire attack on women though. I hope Kerry stands up to these criticisms.

[brook]

42. Well, I couldn't help myself...

I emailed the news-Barbie and reminded her that she and the rest of the whores had foisted the born-again bunny on us and what we got was a dry, illiterate drunk who instigated genocide on Good Friday.

And, yes...it's about the neo-con fundies orgasmic desire to control women's bodies. It has nothing to do with Kerry's status in the Catholic Church.

[Touchdown]

28. This Methodist is for Kerry.

Bush may be in the same church (UMC?), but I certainly won't vote for this dry drunk!

[opihimoimoi]

33. This Tuvian for Kerry

Screw those CNN guys, full of smegma

[kskiska]

34. Two Words: Rudy Giuliani

They think he'd make an excellent candidate. Go figure.

[K8-EEE]

35. POPE CONDEMNED THE GWB WAR SO CATHOLICS VOTE KERRY

EASY!

[mot78]

36. FUCK YOU PAULA ZAHN!!!

I hate that Satanic bitch. :puke::puke::puke:

[riverwalker]

38. Zahn has no credibility

since her interview over a year ago with Scott Ritter. She was sneering and ridiculing him "of course Saddam has WMD's!" She just couldn't grasp that maybe, just maybe, he was worth listening to. I've always felt she owes him a big fat apology.

[SmokeyBlues]

39. Reunited

If my memory serves me correctly, Paula the lightweight was a local television personality when Ray was Mayor of Boston. I was surprised to see them back together again this evening; however, I could only listen to 20 seconds of the conversation.

[mondo joe]

40. Please Paula - Most American Catholics Don't Obey the Church

They get abortions, they divorce, they use birth control.

Kerry is very much the American catholic.

[mmonk]

41. Never hurts the other Catholics in office

nor him as Senator. Hogwash, Catholics are like any other large religious group. We are individuals.

[Kat45]

43. Is that Ray Flynn you're talking about?

Former mayor of Boston. Former Ambassador to the Vatican. Appointed by Clinton, supposed to represent our country, our administration, yet spouting out his anti-choice comments at the same time. I've never had any respect for that man. In what capacity was he on TV, ie why were they talking to him?

[Neecy]

45. yep

T'was Ray Flynn, and I have no idea why they had him on. I suppose because he was US Ambassador to the Vatican it gives him a special insight into what American Catholics are thinking (sarcasm intended).

The transcript is up. Here's how she phrased her promos for the piece:

"One in every four voters is Catholic, just like Senator John Kerry. But what does the Catholic Church think about his stance on abortion and gay rights? A look at the divide that separates the candidate, his religion, and the Catholic vote."

---a few minutes later--

"Senator John Kerry doesn't always practice what his church preaches. Could that cost him the crucial Catholic vote and possibly the election?

---and again, a few minutes later---


"He is a Catholic candidate who differs with the church on abortion and gay rights. Could that alienate one of the largest bloc of voters in November?"

--then, a few minutes later---

"Coming up, John Kerry's politics often clash with the values of his Catholic religion. Will that make a difference to tens of millions of Catholic voters?"

These are just the promos. You can tell she wanted to get in as much trashin' as she could before the piece itself.

Then the piece begins as follows:

"(COMMERCIAL BREAK) ZAHN: Today's Good Friday, of course, a day when Christians remember the crucifixion of Jesus. Pope John Paul II presided over events at the Vatican, including tonight's Way of the Cross service at the ruins of Rome's Coliseum.

Back here one of the Pope's followers is coming under scrutiny by members of his own church. Presidential hopeful John Kerry is a Roman Catholic who regularly attends Sunday mass, but his Senate votes are sometimes at odds with church teachings on things like the issue of abortion and stem cell research. Being at odds with the church could hurt Kerry politically since Catholicism is the largest denomination in America and the Catholic vote key to winning the White House."

Part of the interview:

"ZAHN: I'm fine, thanks. So, do you think the senator should be allowed to take the Eucharist on Sunday?

FLYNN: Well, let me just give background to it, Paula, I think that the Vatican is facing an ultimatum now, facing a very serious problem. Not only the Vatican but Catholics across this country are going to face a problem, what to do, how to discipline Catholic politicians who run as Catholics but, in many respects, don't adhere to Catholic principles. That's a decision the Vatican is going to soon make, the Catholic Church is going to make.

Let me say this, Paula: some people often describe this situation as comparable to what it was with John Kennedy in 1960. And I've read certain aspects of that. Nothing could be further from the truth. The big issue, the big challenge for Kennedy in 1960, a Catholic, was try to convince non-Catholics that he wouldn't take orders from the pope. John Kerry, a Catholic also, has a very different problem. He has to convince Catholics that he is supportive and is going to be respectful of the principles and the teachings of the Catholic Church. So therein lies, I think, Paula, one of the most extraordinary political dilemmas, potentially one of the most important issues in this presidential campaign.

ZAHN: So if you were the guy in charge, how would you deal with John Kerry? Would you let him take communion?"

Of course, she followed this piece with a Thrashin' of the Christ story. The full transcript is here:


http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0404/09/pzn.00.html

[Robin Hood]

46. Who is proud to be any religion these days?

It appears that only fundamentalists take pride in the actions of their religion.