Reply to this quote from an extreme fundie

[truizm]

"The liberal will be the end of the Christian faith, and indeed society. In seeking to love everyone, the liberal spreads his love too thin and ignores God. In seeking to include everyone, the liberal denies core tenets that are necessary to keep anything standing. In seeking to make teachings sound 'acceptable' to everyone, the liberal destroys them and becomes the very hypocrite he accuses conservatives of being. The liberal says the conservative is not progressive, but the opposite is true. Indeed, like extremists, the liberal is regressive to the point of being destructive, even to himself."

[wuushew]

1. Where are you getting these fundie quotes?

I have a lot of frustration built up over Iraq, and need an outlet for my militant secularism/atheism. Send them my way, they will need Jeebus after I am done with them.

[truizm]

6. I posted why I believed conservative Christians are Pharisees

and this guy e-mailed me. I e-mailed him about Bush's deception and imperialistic policies. He e-mails me back with this crap.

[southerngirlwriter]

22. Was his name David Cloud?

That's a quote from David Cloud, the biggest Pharisee on the internet (http://www.wayoflife.org/).

Well -- I know I read it in one of Cloud's articles. Now that I think of it, he *might* have been quoting someone else. However, he only quotes respected (by his defintion: male, conservative, male, elderly, male, conservative, male, male, male, male, male, and male) theologians.

I'm going to find it, damnit.

[chefgirl]

30. Uh Oh

You better be careful there calling people Pharisees around here. I spent an inordinate amount of time trying to explain, to another DUer the other night, the difference between REAL Christians and present day Pharisees.
I was called bigoted numerous times and was vehemently told, by said DUer, that the fundies are REAL Christians. Ya know, like those REAL Christians who beat up the Easter Bunny in church. :eyes:

I'm with ya, but watch out for the bigot squad.

-chef-

[arcane1]

2. very little substance in that quote...

in fact I dare say there is no substance at all, just ad hominem bs

I'd reply with one sentence:

"Jesus was a liberal"

[NMDemDist2]

12. Jesus wasn't liberal, he was a revolutionary

he preached finding a personal relationship with God and wanted the priests out of the temple. Didn't he? (I'm not a christian so not real sure and can't quote the "Good Book" but it seems that's what my ex Youth Minister hubby has told me)

[wryter2000]

3. That's a weird one

In seeking to love everyone, the liberal spreads his love too thin and ignores God.

Didn't Jesus want us to love everyone? "Love thy neighbor as thyself." (Someone help me out here.) Wasn't the next question, "Who is my neighbor"? And wasn't the answer that basically everyone was?

Liberals believe in separation of Church and State which was designed to protect religion from the government as much as to keep religion out of government. There are numerous quotes from the Founding Fathers to that effect.

[Ladyhawk]

9. You are absolutely correct.

Unfortunately, the fundy only remembers the bible verses that reflect his own biases. Too bad the bible is so contradictory. :(

"You know you have successfully created God in your image when he hates all the same people you do." --Anne Lamott

[Indiana_Dem]

15. That's an awesome quote!

I thought I'd heard everything! I've never heard that one before! Thanks!

[MnFats]

4. Did Jesus ration out his love?

Did Jesus limit his teaching only to those who already agreed with him?

Didn't he say "Suffer the little children unto me?" meaning let ALL the children come and meet and hear me.

NOT: Let some of the children come close to me, but NOT those children. Their (pick one or more: skin color, accent, food, dress, ancestry, or however you would like to divide people) are not acceptable. Keep THOSE children away from me.

[DODI]

5. Did my dad write this?

How can you spread love too thin? I was always taught that loving people was loving God. Define "anything standing". I have a headache now. Seriously, is this from my dad. I gotta find the e-mail he sent me and post it.

[truizm]

8. Maybe this is a common quote fundies spread around to rationalize their

support of such destructive policies.

[DrWeird]

7. Jesus was a lieral.

Jesus loved everyone. Jesus includes everyone. Jesus wanted his teachings acceptable to everyone.

Conservative by definition is not progressive.

[EstimatedProphet]

24. Not...quite

Jesus wanted people to work to understand what he was saying. That's why he explained things in parables-to make people think about his meaning. Stupid Freeper twits don't think, so they don't get it, and they end up thinking that the bible is supposed to be literal.

[DoBotherMe]

10. Maybe this...

"Jesus will be the end of the Jewish faith, and indeed society. In seeking to love everyone, Jesus spreads his love too thin and ignores God. In seeking to include everyone, Jesus denies core tenets that are necessary to keep anything standing. In seeking to make teachings sound 'acceptable' to everyone, Jesus destroys them and becomes the very hypocrite he accuses us of being. Jesus says the Law is not progressive, but the opposite is true. Indeed, like extremists, Jesus is regressive to the point of being destructive, even to himself." Caiaphas

Dana ; )

[truizm]

11. lmao

[alcuno]

20. Welcome to DU, DanaM. I'm impressed and obviously in the

company of greatness.

[snippy]

21. Outstanding.

Welcome to DU.

[chefgirl]

31. I'm impressed

This has to be one of the very best posts I've read here.

A hale and hearty welcome to DU, DanaM!!


-chef- :hi:

[bobbieinok]

13. in So Bapt Sunday School we sang Jesus loves the little children

Jesus loves the little children.
All the children in the world.
Red and yellow, black and white,
They are precious in His sight.
Jesus loves the little children of the world.

When I talk to groups about growing up white in an all white world in OK in the 40s and 50s and how the 60s blew that world away,

...I say I learned this song in a So Bapt Sunday School, and (unlike many) I really believed (and continue to believe) it.

[noiretextatique]

14. there is no separation in god

to "love everyone" is simply to know that god lives in everyone and everything. this is not something to be "sought"...it is something to be acknowledged, to be thankful for, and to rejoice in.
christians who seperate themselves from god, thereby seperating themselves from everyone and everything...will be the end of the christian faith, indeed the entire world. iraq, being just one example.
x

[gayrebel83]

16. Damn!

I thought that quote was a parody! But it's for real!?!? Goodness...

[xchrom]

17. just tell him he's not a christian

and as soon as us liberals are done throwin george out on his compassionate ass -- we're coming to look for him.

[jpgray]

18. THAT was Jesus' mistake! He spread his love too thin, the silly!

:D

[mmonk]

19. Just tell em

to go to ....well, you know. That's what the extreme fundie is saying to us.

[starroute]

23. Hit 'em with Matthew 25:34-45

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed {thee}? or thirsty, and gave drink?
When saw we thee a stranger, and took in? or naked, and clothed {thee}?
Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done {it} unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done {it} unto me.

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did {it} not to one of the least of these, ye did {it} not to me.

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

[leesa]

25. It's just blah, blah, blah...doesn't say anything. What facts is this

person talking about. Ask for facts, you won't get any.

[Guaranteed]

26. I think that may have been true of liberals several years ago

but since the war liberalism has changed. I believe most of us have re-arranged our priorities, and rejected a couple of issues in particular that seemed very prevalent in 90's liberalism.

Tell the guy that he doesn't know what he's talking about. His info is totally outdated. He may as well be saying that Republicans are conservative LOL ;)

[doni_georgia]

27. fundies in my undies

Do these people simply neglect to read the parts of the Gospels where Jesus COMMANDS his followers to LOVE?? Seems to me I recall Jesus taking the first commandment and rephrasing it - "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul, and strength, and you should love your neighbor as yourself." Also seem to remember Jesus saying, "Love your enemies." These fundies are all hung up on the 10 Commandments, but Jesus rephrased those commandments. One he added to was that if you HATE another you have already committed murder. Wish these people would read their Bibles sometime instead of hitting the rest of us over the heads with them.

[GreenPartyVoter]

28. Just tell him to read Marcus Borg's books & visit the links on my website

Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm

[uhhuh]

29. Typical Fundie

"In seeking to love everyone, the liberal spreads his love too thin and ignores God."

Many often treat things like love as a commodity that can be used as currency as if it will run out. Others use their idea of it as a weapon to exert their will on others.
There is enough of it in the heart of each person for others and God.


"the liberal denies core tenets that are necessary to keep anything standing."

Which ones? The ones this person likes, of the inconvenient teachings of inclusion that Jesus spoke of?


"In seeking to make teachings sound 'acceptable' to everyone, the liberal destroys them and becomes the very hypocrite he accuses conservatives of being."

Again, which ones?? In what way are liberals being hypocrites?


"The liberal says the conservative is not progressive, but the opposite is true."

http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=conservative

It appears that the word progressive is an antonym for conservative...
??????

"Indeed, like extremists, the liberal is regressive to the point of being destructive, even to himself."

http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=liberal

Words DO have meanings. I wonder if people who believe this way even think about what the words they use mean.

If this person can give examples, then we could argue points, but none were made in this piece you have given.

[knight_of_the_star]

32. One that has already been mentioned, but

"love they neighbor as you love thyself." Didn't Jesus say that?

[CaptainClark23]

33. Can't say a thing without knowing

how he defines a "Liberal"

what the fuck is a liberal, or a conservative for that matter...gotta love these across the board generalizations...