What do we think about John McCain as VP?

[chaska]

Heard this mentioned on TV last night. Interesting idea, if nothing else.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

1. i don't!

[KissMyAsscroft]

2. Insulting.

What, we don't have any good liberals or even moderate Democrats to choose from? We have so little faith on our party and our ideas that we have to choose a Republican?

[DiverDave]

3. Nope, nada, no way.

He is better then most con's, but NO!

[truthspeaker]

4. I think it sucks

That seemed to be the general DU consensus last time this was discussed.

McCain seems to have integrity - he says what he means and means what he says. But most of his political positions do not fit with the Democratic party.

[kentuck]

Not much....

He's been praising George W Bush at every opportunity... Just on C-SPAN tlaking up the "war". Forget about it.

[StopTheMorans]

5. from McCain's mouth:

"It's impossible to imagine the Democratic Party seeking a prolife, free-trading, nonprotectionist, deficit hawk". other than the last two words, can every McCain fan on this board read this so we can FINALLY put the issue to rest? People: MCCAIN IS A REPUBLICAN, no matter how "moderate" he may seem, he's waaaaaaaaaay out of touch with the Dem. base. end of story.

on edit: fixed typo

[Katarina]

6. No way n/t

[fob]

7. NO EFFING WAY!

In keeping with the topic of the day, we don't need that BITCH!

MODS: Please lock any/all McCain VP threads!!

[Walt Starr]

8. I think it would guarantee assasination of Kerry

Seriously, if McCain was the Veep, some Freeper would off Kerry because it would put a Republican back in.

[Iceburg]

9. Part of the Theocracy

[Padraig18]

10. I think you missed his 'Today' show appearence.

He categorically denied that he will be VP OR that he will switch parties. He said it was time for people to quit mentioning it, because it's not ever going to happen.

That's what I think.

[mzmolly]

11. I actually think his name should be forbidden here.

:P

[fob]

34. Well MzMolly, step right up and take this poll!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x985819

[mzmolly]

48. Will do!

:hi:

[BiggJawn]

12. For Bush?

last I checked, John was a ReTHUG. Maybe more progressive than TinMan or Delay, but still a ReTHUG.

Bad Idea.
Next we'll be hearing how Kerry should "reach out" and pick Nader for his VP (Rove would just SQUIRT!)

[mmonk]

13. It would work in gaining victory in the general election

from independents and repubs. But people like me might just give up in trying to sober this country up. So I would say no, I couldn't compromise my belief system that much.

[Toucano]

14. Wrong move.

The suggestion that Democrats need a Republican to win is overwhelming insulting. Not interested.

[fob]

35. Take the poll!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x985819

[dfong63]

39. but, is it any more insulting

... than the suggestion that the dems need to nominate a general, who in fact had recently done fundraising for repubs, and praised the bush team effusively?

[Rowdyboy]

15. Not no but HELL NO!

[fob]

36. Take the poll!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x985819

[Rowdyboy]

40. Oh, I hit it as soon as I saw it

hell effin yes!

But thanks for the heads-up!

[goclark]

16. No!! He is a Puppet For Bush

I just saw him on the Senate Floor praising our efforts in Iraq,talking about how much they need to be liberated etc. etc.
I thought I was listening to GWB with grey hair!

[montanacowboy]

17. Please STOP BRINGING THIS UP

We dont need any repukes to help us win - least of all McCain who continues to call * "my good friend" after he screwed him royally - this guy has nothing to offer believe me - he is trying desperately to be VP - still has dreams of the presidence - when McCain could have done something to destroy * - he took it in the a--.

Please dont keep up these ridiculous threads.

[OneBlueSky]

19. I agree . . . can't we let this idiocy die? . . .

listen up, folks . . . JOHN MCCAIN WILL NOT BE THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN 2004! . . . no way, no how, no chance . . . so can we please just give it a rest? . . . thank you . . .

[sangh0]

23. No, it's good to know

who the idiots are

[fob]

37. Take the poll!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x985819

[BlueEyedSon]

21. WTF??? Is there something in the water?

This is a crackpot idea, where does it come from?

[mmonk]

22. This is a media topic, not one for thoughtful informed insight IMO

[NoPasaran]

18. If Bush* wants to dump Cheney

I guess he can pick anyone he wants.

[GreenArrow]

20. it's a good way to prove Ralph Nader right

that's what I think.

[Triple H]

24. If Kerry were to pick McCain, I'm not voting.

[Desertrose]

25. please, let this stupid stupid STUPID idea end once & for all

STUPID STUPID IDEA!!!
McCain is heading up Bush's campaign here in Zona...can we all repeat very clearly now...

John McCain
is
a
R E P U B L I C A N

thank you ...get it now?


Peace
DR

[Zorra]

26. The Democratic Party desperately needs to rid itself of right wing

operatives that are bent on destroying the party from within.

This is probably some idea cooked up by the American Enterprise Institute to assimilate the Democratic Party into the Republican Party.

[rkc3]

27. VP Candidate

Hey wait a minute... some of my bush-loving colleagues firmly believe Hillary will be Veep ('cause you know the Clintons are hiding around every corner).

We wouldn't want to prove Rush "can you hook a brother up" Limpballs or Bill "the big blubbering vagina" O'Reilly wrong. Throwing bush out is one thing, but to break their hearts by not electing Hillary is just mean.

There's no way McCain is going to sign on, it's political suicide for him and would prove to the repugs Kerry is wishy-washy (by the way wasn't one of the marks against G. Dumbya in the first campaign his inability to stand on any one issue?).

[jobycom]

28. Good publicity to talk about it, stupid idea if they actually did it

It helps Kerry to split the Republicans by letting the media think he might do it. It points out that Bush is unpopular with moderates and other Republicans. That McCain hasn't rejected the idea also helps Kerry be taken more seriously by the moderate voters who Bush is trying to smear Kerry to.

In reality putting an anti-abortion candidate on a Democratic ticket would be fatal, much like running Tony Sanchez-- a Republican-- for Democratic candidate in Texas.

I suspect Kerry understands both aspects of the equation. He's doing it right, so far. He'll pick someone like Dean or Edwards after he's gotten as much mileage out of the speculation as he can.

[Guaranteed]

38. It's BAD publicity because it makes it look like we can't stand on our

own two feet! It makes us look FOOLISH and WEAK.

[jobycom]

45. Wrong, no

It looks like Kerry reaching across the aisle to give a voice to a party whose leader is so far out of touch that he does not represent them. That's how people are going to see it. Good for Kerry, good for McCain, bad, very bad, for Bush. Perhaps even fatal. This works as well as Buchanan running in 92.

Now, if McCain were not playing along, if he acted upset by the consideration, or turned off by it, it would look desparate for Kerry. But that McCain is considering it (in appearance, though not in reality. He's not that dumb.) adds credibility to Kerry amongst Republicans.

Kerry's doing a much better than expected job. Watch him work, so far he's doing it all right, even superbly. (That's not a comment on his views or votes, just on how he is campaigning.) He's no Dole, he's the real deal.

Now, if Kerry actually chose McCain, it would be bad. And if he even talks about choosing him, he's going too far. But letting the media speculate is good strategy.

[onehandle]

29. Once again: McCain has Endorsed Bush.

McCain is co-chair of Bush's Arizona campaign.

Enough!

[chaska]

30. Thank you Jobycom for actually addressing the idea.

I'm a little distressed with some of you who apparently advocate censorship. I thought we were the ones with the open minds. So easily do we fall in with the freepers.

I'm no McCain fan, but I will reserve the right to think about the idea before I dismiss it and all those who subscribe to the idea.

Ever heard of the concepts of 'intellectual exercise' or 'for the sake of argument' or 'devil's advocate'?

[sangh0]

31. Poor baby

When you're done with your whine, maybe you could show us where you've been censored?

I'm no McCain fan, but I will reserve the right to think about the idea before I dismiss it and all those who subscribe to the idea

And I will reserve the right to dismiss and ridicule the idea and those who bring it up

Ever heard of the concepts of 'intellectual exercise' or 'for the sake of argument' or 'devil's advocate'?

Yes, I have, and I was wondering where in the world you got the idea that the one or two sentences you posted in your original post qualifies as "discussion", "intellectual exercise", "argument", or "advocacy"?

I guess WE were supposed to do those for YOU

[onehandle]

32. The problem is....

This "new" idea has been posted several times a day for months.

It's been discussed ad infinitum.

Try searching.


Anyway....

McCain has said that he would not accept, and would not switch parties.

The Media created this story.

[sangh0]

42. Another problem

the paucity of discussion, advocacy (devil's or otherwise), and reason coming from the thread's starter. He claims to want to discuss this, but the only thing he discusses in this thread is how evil and undemocratic DUers are.

[jobycom]

47. You're welcome. I've already rejected the idea...

(Rejecting it took me less time than checking McCain's stance on abortion) and wouldn't say I really considered it. I just considered Kerry's strategy. We have to understand strategy and let our candidates use it without being fooled into thinking that's what they are really thinking.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

33. Here's what he thinks:

On CNN within the hour, they atrributed John McCain with the statement, "We need not to focus on the reasons why we went to war, but focus on what we need to do looking forward."

What do you think?

[Bandit]

41. Just plain Ridiculous

We want no hard right-wingers in our administration. Hasn't this administration shown you how bad they are? He will probably end up as Bush*'s VP candidate because I think Cheney is a huge liability for them.

[hippiegranny]

43. is that the "royal we?"

if so, "we" think the idea has been floated as a pr stunt. not sure if it benefits kerry, mccain, bush or nader. since mccain has publicly stated he supports bush, "our" thought is that it gives mccain even more face time than usual. he is kind of a publicity hog, yanno.

here in az, some have a grudging respect for mccain as the maverick bigmouth, but also hold no illusions that he is anything but beholden to his partisan masters.

[GreenPartyVoter]

44. Article on the subject

"There is a sound and simple reason why John McCain should not be John F. Kerry's running mate on the Democratic ticket in November. He is a Republican.

The distinction still matters, even in an era when both major political parties are fixated on the nonpartisan, centrist, independent voters who political consultants insist determine the outcome of federal elections.

Reports that many on Kerry's campaign staff are smitten with the idea of the Massachusetts Democrat naming his Republican colleague from Arizona as his vice presidential choice make for amusing chatter in this long lull between the presidential primaries and the party nominating conventions. It is still a fundamentally foolish idea.

Far from elevating Kerry as a bold, bipartisan thinker, the choice of McCain would enshrine forever Kerry's reputation for political equivocation. The question his campaign has spent months sputtering to answer (what does John Kerry stand for?) would only be amplified by such a selection."

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0407-14.htm

[leesa]

46. Why would you want a member of the Bush Crime Family as VP??

[rumguy]

49. If it means shrubs defeat, I'm all for it

[Lydia Leftcoast]

50. haven't you read the other dozen threads on this issue?

:boring:

I still think it's the worst idea I've heard in a long time.