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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 04:26 PM
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'Nam historians, can you give us 'Tet for Dummies'
I wasn't alive at the time, but can somebody with some knowledge of the subject give us the basics of what happened during the Tet Offensive and how it might compare / contrast to Iraq over the last 72 hours?
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 04:29 PM
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1. Here's a link...
... with good information about the whole war. I think it helps to see things in context!
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index.html

I'll be interested in reading what you think about how it compares with Iraq over the last 72 hours.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 04:32 PM
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2. Google "tet offensive"
This will gives you different points of views from basics to marxist etc.

Here's wikipoedia which sums it up fairly nicely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tet_Offensive

Here's a transcript from a PBS documentary

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/107ts.html
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 04:36 PM
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3. You read my mind...Tet was the beginning of the end for the US
in Vietnam

that said, note how many more years we were there

god help everyone, especially the Iraqi people

what have you wrought, you CRIMINALS????

GWB/2004=LBJ/1968

at what cost, unfortunately
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 04:37 PM
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4. Dup being discussed here
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 04:38 PM
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5. No historian but I was in my teens at the time
I can remember seeing on the nightly newscasts the fighting at the American Embassy, the Marines firing over the walls at Hue, and the night after night siege of Khe Sanh. For a kid raised on the glory of American victories in WWII it was frigtening to see, and I think it was the time many in the U.S. finally figured out we were not going to win this one.

BTW, here's the words of that famous Walter Cronkite broadcast. I sense the last couple of days even some of the flag-waving pundits are starting to rethink this.

Tonight, back in more familiar surroundings in New York, we'd like to sum up our findings in Vietnam, an analysis that must be speculative, personal, subjective. Who won and who lost in the great Tet offensive against the cities? I'm not sure. The Vietcong did not win by a knockout, but neither did we. The referees of history may make it a draw. Another standoff may be coming in the big battles expected south of the Demilitarized Zone. Khesanh could well fall, with a terrible loss in American lives, prestige and morale, and this is a tragedy of our stubbornness there; but the bastion no longer is a key to the rest of the northern regions, and it is doubtful that the American forces can be defeated across the breadth of the DMZ with any substantial loss of ground. Another standoff. On the political front, past performance gives no confidence that the Vietnamese government can cope with its problems, now compounded by the attack on the cities. It may not fall, it may hold on, but it probably won't show the dynamic qualities demanded of this young nation. Another standoff.

We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds. They may be right, that Hanoi's winter-spring offensive has been forced by the Communist realization that they could not win the longer war of attrition, and that the Communists hope that any success in the offensive will improve their position for eventual negotiations. It would improve their position, and it would also require our realization, that we should have had all along, that any negotiations must be that -- negotiations, not the dictation of peace terms. For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. This summer's almost certain standoff will either end in real give-and-take negotiations or terrible escalation; and for every means we have to escalate, the enemy can match us, and that applies to invasion of the North, the use of nuclear weapons, or the mere commitment of one hundred, or two hundred, or three hundred thousand more American troops to the battle. And with each escalation, the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster.

To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable pessimism. To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic, yet unsatisfactory, conclusion. On the off chance that military and political analysts are right, in the next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is indeed his last big gasp before negotiations. But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.

This is Walter Cronkite. Good night.


http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/Cronkite_1968.html
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 04:52 PM
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7. What was it? Thursdays were the night they came out with the body count?
There was one night a week that they ran how many we killed as opposed to how many we lost. The people running that war, many in power now, vowed never to let that happen again. the media will not control the war message. And it's happening now.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 04:48 PM
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6. Tet galvanized the anti-war movement at home
I was only high school at the time so I was still somewhat insulated from the world scene, but night after night and in the daily newspapers the war came into our living rooms. The war exploded in the faces of America and we didn't like what we were seeing. Protests grew, leaders were killed, music took on new meaning and people began to rebel against the government and military. And young boys like myself began to wonder where we would be heading when the draft rolled around.

So, does this past weekend compare? Not really. There is no draft. A lot of these Bush supporters will quickly come around if they were getting numbers right this very minute. The people that run the war now, ducked Vietnam and the youth who want to "bring it on" aren't knocking down doors to join to go to Iraq.You would really need a swelling against the war and I still don't see that happening. I still think musicians are afraid to speek out in their writings. There are pockets of rebelling but there are still many politicians, some very surprising, who want to "finish the job" in Iraq. I don't see many horrified about what happened this past weekend. The news shows all but ignored it on Monday. It's depressing but things could change in the next few months.
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