Non-U.S. DUers... what are *people* saying about Iraq now?

[nostamj]

not necessarily the news reports (which are probably better than we're getting) but...

is this uprising being seen as a turning point? an temporary flare-up?

curious.

[arcos]

1. I haven't heard much...

but I will definitely let you know when I hear anything.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. I think this will have the effect of Tet

in the american psyche, and it will take some time for this to get to Americans

[Jacobin]

3. The warmongers I know are as quiet as a mouse

They don't want to talk about it.

They know its Vietnam redux.

[ConcernedCanuk]

4. You don't really want to know . . .

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First of all, we were always against the war in Iraq.

Polls in Canada show that the agreement that the war in Iraq is wrong has risen from around 55% to 80%.

Sentiment is increasingly directing responsibility for this illegal war from George Bush down to the American Voters . .

American news up here is considered laughable

The references to this atrocity in American news never mentions that it was EXACTLY 1 year previous that the US fired on unarmed protesters at a school in Fallujah where 13 were killed, and 75 were injured.

Heck. I bet most of the TROOPS at Fallujah don't make the connection . .

As far as a turning point ?

Well not really,

We just expect the US to do what they always do

Try to fix the problem with more killing

(sigh)

[Mari333]

6. Try being a US anti war activist whose kid is in Baghdad

they hate you on both sides.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com

[qb]

8. Thank you, I really do want to know.

It helps to know there are others who share my opinions.

[nostamj]

10. actually, I do...

and it's your second line that's disturbing, of course:

Sentiment is increasingly directing responsibility for this illegal war from George Bush down to the American Voters . .

people will forget that the majority of Americans did reject *

the 'selection' should have been much more aggressively opposed. clearly.

[ConcernedCanuk]

11. I understand that your political system suks, and not your fault

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But up here, we can, and have ejuected a PM, actually the whole party in mid-term on what we call a "non-confidence" vote.

That's when the opposition challanges a major decision in Parliament, a vote is called, and the "reigning" party is out.

A new election is called to confirm them, and none of this long drawn out "impeachment" thing you have down there that let's a tyrant remain in office.

Impeaching BC for his indiscretion ( and how many people WOULDN'T try to lie their way out an affair anyhoo? - frigadee) was one of America's biggest mistakes IMO.

The "parties" in the USA know that a 2 party sytem, with these primaries, and unbalanced representation really just work well for the Corporate America, and is not really Democracy.

I've visited the States, LIVED in CA for over a year in the late 70's liked the people, and had intended to retire to the States.

With the way the US is bombing it's way around the world, and the Patriot Act and so on, I wouldn't cross this border for luv nor money.

Thank Bush for that.

[nostamj]

14. "your political system suks"

it is shocking that impeachment can't even be considered because 'his' party runs the House.

the magnitude of his lies.....

[ConcernedCanuk]

15. LOL - I 'll take that as an agreement of my assessment then ?

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While I've got your attention,

I hope you're aware of Junior's new stand on Violence?

[nostamj]

24. that would be a 'yeah'...

and.... Steve Bell ROCKS!! (there's another great one in the CARTOONS! thread linked below)

[Desertrose]

18. yup, the same line jumped out at me too.....

"Sentiment is increasingly directing responsibility for this illegal war from George Bush down to the American Voters . ."

I think at some point we DO have to accept the blame for what is happening. Sad but true.....in spite of so many protesting vociferously....it didn't make any difference in the long run...the corrupt regime gets their way.

Why don't more people speak up? How have we become such a nation of sheep?? Because its easier? ...because we are lied to 24/7? because we are kept in such fear we can't see beyond it? The rest of the world should be laughing at our stupidity except for the fact we spread it all over the world in th emost violent of ways.

I am really sad for us and sad for what we do to others all in the name of "freedom". What a joke.

DR

[tnlefty]

22. Lies, fear....you're leaving out the fact that lots of barbaric wingers

actually support the Chimp in Chief, this invasion/slaughter and think that we should break out the nukes and level Iraq. Killing those "towel-heads" really isn't a big deal anyway. I'm sick of living in the midst of these whackos!!!

[LeahMira]

16. And we SHOULD take responsibility!

Sentiment is increasingly directing responsibility for this illegal war from George Bush down to the American Voters.

All the more reason to get rid of Bush in November.

You're right... we don't have that no confidence vote mechanism, but we do have elections every two years, and in 2002 we voted to increase Republican strength in Congress.

Either people are complacent and not voting at all, or people really do want more of the same. What else can be concluded?


We just expect the US to do what they always do.
Try to fix the problem with more killing.

Sad, but true. So much for the illusion that we are a peace-loving people.

So, if Bush wins again, will Canadians join up with other nations through the UN and try to stop him... and us? Or do you think the UN will just sigh collectively and deeply and let it play out however it will?

[hippiegranny]

17. one more thing might be concluded...

that in 2002 voting machine fraud accounted for the fact that in key states, democrats who had wide lead percentages mysteriously lost. add to that the fact that there was no exit polling. sometimes we get the "leadership" we not only don't deserve, but that the majority did not vote for.

[ConcernedCanuk]

19. Gawwwwd, what a terrible thought - "if Bush wins again"

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Just gave me that sick feeling I had when I saw the first bombs fall on Iraq.

Actually. to your question:

" will Canadians join up with other nations through the UN and try to stop him... and us?"

Probably not.

We are not stupid enough to literally ASK the US to attack us.

Remember Georgie-boy's "you're with us or against us" statement. I have no idea what Canada's official position would be as to try to influence the UN to stop him. I DO know that there is a stronger support for Junior in the Western provinces of BC and Alberta, but that's about it.

Personally?

I'll move far away from the border,(obviously NOT out West) away from any of the nuclear plants, and any other places that could be of "strategic" interest to the BFEE and gang.

I've even considered(which I've NEVER considered before) moving to another CONTINENT, somewhere where the BFEE has not much interest, like New Zealand, or somewhere even more obscure.

Yup, you are thinking right, I am sort of fearing for the worst.

The USA hasn't signed itself out of the International Court, the Non-Proliferation treaty and so on, accumulated massive amounts of nuclear and biological weapons just to have them kicking around.

They are going to USE them.

Sooner or later . .

(sigh)

[Ladyhawk]

20. My mother hates Canada.

Because you guys seem to have some common sense, I guess. Sigh.

[ConcernedCanuk]

26. It be our cold winters? - or our weird sense of humor?

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I'd be curious to know if she, or yourself has ever visited Canada.

Myself, I've been all over the States, including an extended stay for over a year in CA

Always wanted to go back, but won't cross that border for anything now -

(sigh) y'all got such NICE weather and beaches down there ..

[maggrwaggr]

21. "EXACTLY 1 year previous that the US fired on unarmed protesters"

gee, think the American media will pick up on this little fact?

[muriel_volestrangler]

23. Not that it's extremely important

but is it really exactly one year?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/iraq-a30.shtml

US troops opened fire on a night-time demonstration by students and youth in the Iraqi town of Fallujah on Monday, April 28. Thirteen Iraqis are dead, as many as 75 are wounded and there is an outpouring of bitterness and anger.

Or was there an earlier incident? The Saddam statue was toppled April 9th, for reference, so we haven't got to the 1 year anniversary of that yet.

[ConcernedCanuk]

25. Damm - I been out of work too long ! - You are right - it's only 11 months

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THIS is April,

not May :dunce:

and just noticed,

April 9 is Good Friday this year , ,

That'll get some spin . .

[JCMach1]

5. No war mongers here... I have a number of Iraqi students

one is even from Fallujah.

The conditions he told me about there were similar to what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians over the years. The conditions are unbearable. My last discussion with him was weeks before the latest incidents. I suspect things have only gotten worse. He himself had been arested twice by the U.S. military. He wasn't a militant... just harassment.

Fortunately, most of the people I know in the UAE separate Bush from America. Well, at least when they talk to me...

The mood here, is that they don't hate America... they hate the retard that's running the place.

[Frederic Bastiat]

7. Nothing, don't you know the NHL playoffs have started?

It's hockey 24/7 in Canada!

Go Habs!

[JNelson6563]

12. Go Wings!

See you on the ice! :toast:

Julie--who would like to thank Canada for sending so many fab hockey players

[Capt_Nemo]

9. Here in Portugal the vast majority either is struggling to find a job

or just cares about soccer league, the upcoming european soccer championship
and reality shows.

In the press most of the pundits are idiots that parrot US/UK
propaganda and yet... most of the people that give a damn about politics
were against the war and see this (like me) not as a turning point
but one more step in an inevitable descending spiral into complete chaos.

[maddezmom]

13. most folks here in Peru

Never bought the WMD argument for the war in Iraq and thought bush had a plan the day he got into office, think we should be working on the Middle East Peace plan, finishing what we started in Afghanistan and stay the hell out most other places.