Duers do you want AAR to be a liberal copy of RW Hate Radio?

[xultar]

I'm beginning to get so sick of all of the negative posts about AAR. Let's settle it right here.

It seems to me that instead of doing our own thing we want AAR to be a Liberal Clone of RW Hate Radio, that is Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reily, etc.

Is that what you really want. Is this still a DNC vs DLC thing? I don't' get it? We've been complaining about not having a liberal voice in the Media. Well we get one and now all we do is ripp it.
They've been on the air for 6 days. Not even 7 days yet.

[truthseeker1]

1. NO - and that's my complaint with Air

it's too much like RW radio. If I wanted to listen to Rush, I'd listen to Rush. Why do we need a Rush clone (Ed)? And Randi Rhodes annoys the hell out of me. Talk about a classless act.

Franken and Garofolo are the only shows I like.

[xultar]

3. That's fine. Eventually they will get some numbers and move people,

shows, and stuff around untill they get the right mix.

To get the right mix though it will take a few months at least a year.

They haven't been on the air for a week yet and everyone is belly aching.

:crazy:

[truthseeker1]

7. I've refrained from belly aching for the most part, but when asked......

I will give my opinion :hi:

I guess I just expected a higher standard from the liberals. But I will give it time and keep listening to the programs that I found pleasing. I'm also aware that not everybody likes the same thing, so I am willing to say Randi and Ed aren't for me, but they might make other people happy (which I'm sure they do, because I've seen posts that indicate this).

[xultar]

12. You're just about to join the 700 Club! Contratulations!!! n/t

[truthseeker1]

17. Hey, you're right!

Thanks, xultar, for noticing. I wasn't even paying attention....you mean I'm still not close to 1,000? Geez, it takes forever!

[gWbush is Mabus]

2. AAR IMO is just fair and balanced

a LIBERAL station would MAKE the news, not report each side.
mention Sibel Edmonds every day and BBV
things not reported in the main-stream media



we need a liberal slant, not a fair and balanced slant
instead of: Bush created 300,000 jobs

REPORT:
unemployment ticked up to 5.7% and what jobs were created were government jobs.



comedy and satire do not a liberal station make.
AAR is kind of like NPR.
we need a liberal FOX NEWS

[truthseeker1]

14. "what jobs were created were government jobs" - and don't forget

something like 72,000 of those jobs were supermarket workers returning to their jobs - and the uptick was also likely due to increased construction jobs due to the warmer weather.

[patricia92243]

15. I agree. Progressive news has to have more humor than neo-con junk. I'm..

not sure exactly why, but it does. The Daily Show is the best example I know. He can get both side to watch but puts those zingers in there that make our Democratic points - but in a palatable way.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

28. Agreed!!! I WANT A LIBERAL VERSION OF FOX "NEWS"!!!!!!

[NoPasaran]

4. I want the opposite

Left Wing Love Radio

[DenverDem]

5. It won't be because

liberal policies are not promulgated on lying to The People.

Also, liberal policies actually benefit The People.

AAR needs to be aggressively adversarial toward the lying liars of the wrong wing, but can do it with wit and humor as to opposed the demagoguery and hate spew of the anti-American bushler corporatist mouthpieces on the radio now.

[BOSSHOG]

6. RW radio is based on lies and the belief that

millions of americans can be convinced that they are "independent thinkers" who agree with everything limbaugh says. Dumbasses who wait on hold for an hour and a half to tell limbaugh they agree with everything he says; he says thanks and that the end of the conversation. These are the same people who are breeding and voting.

If AAR has dynamic, bombastic personalities, WHO STICK WITH THE TRUTH, then it won't be a copy, regardless of the different shticks presented.

[Tempest]

10. You are exactly right

The difference between the two is AAR is TRUTHFUL!

I want them to keep hammering the rightwing with the truth.

[MSgt213]

8. No I don't I would perfer they deal with facts and opinions that are based

on what the facts really are instead of lying through their teeth about every thing under the sun.

[sangh0]

9. More stupid "there's no difference" propoganda

Even if AAR hosts had the same exact voice as Rush, had the same bombastic style, and were just as rude as Rush is, it still wouldn't be the same because AAR hosts

1) Would use facts
2) Would promote liberal policies

[truthseeker1]

16. Well, when I hear Ed, he sounds like Rush

in voice, style and rudeness, which give me a visceral reaction and turns me off completely. Obviously, they are not the exact same because the Air hosts will be telling the truth, but I think the question is one of style and of "how" is the content going to be executed. From what I've heard so far, the style is similar on the Ed and Randi shows to RW radio - in terms of bombastic nature and childish rudeness.

[sangh0]

18. More Ed-Rush similarities

They both have two arms and two legs
They both fish
They are both on radio

From what I've heard so far, the style is similar on the Ed and Randi shows to RW radio - in terms of bombastic nature and childish rudeness

News Flash! = ALL radio talk shows depend on bombast, spectacle, and childish rudeness. Did you ever hear of "shock jocks"? Rush is big, but I don't think they refer to him in the plural.

Is Bill Moyer's show just like FoxNews? After all, they both run interviews?

[truthseeker1]

21. Not all radio talks shows are hosted by shock jocks

And those are the ones I'll be tuning in to.

I don't like Rush, Howard Stern, Tom Likas (sp?) etc. and that's just my personal preference. Ed is strikingly similar to Rush. When I first heard him, I thought it was someone doing a parody of Rush. But it never ended. Finally, I turned off the radio. If others find him palatable, fine. It just seems like good fodder for the right to point a finger at Air and say, what are you trying to do, imitate Rush? Why flatter the RW and Rush? Why stoop to their level?

[sangh0]

22. You're right

Just the successful ones, and the last thing we want is for AA to be successful. I prefer that we remain dignified failures. Then I can hold my head high instead of holding my nose.

[truthseeker1]

25. Do you always go along with what's popular?

Gee, does Air have to sell out just to be "successful?"

[sangh0]

26. Do you always go with failure?

And do you know what the phrase "Sell out" means?

It has to do with going against one's principles for money.

[truthseeker1]

29. Nope, I just go with what I like

Have a nice day :hi:

[sangh0]

32. Well, some like what you don't

and they should have the freedom to choose too

[truthseeker1]

35. I never said they shouldn't

[Dover]

11. I would like for them to be INCLUSIVE and give Dem voices like Malloy

a piece of the action too. Then I would feel that this new channel is giving full voice to Dems. It has nothing to do with copying the rightwing. It has to do with truly representing the full spectrum of Dem issues. If you want to break that down into DLC vs. progressives or DNC then fine. But as a progressive I don't have any problem with an inclusive approach, while it seems those who are setting the political agenda for AAR do, and have a much narrower and exclusive agenda which tilts center/right.

[quinnox]

13. I like it so far

but it doesn't need to be so wonkish, and I think some changes could be made too.

It doesn't have to be a copy, but they can learn some things from the popularity of the right wing radio as far as being entertaining goes.

[napi21]

19. I want them to be exactly like RW only Liberal!

The strong followers of RW radio are all hard core RW Pubs. That's what we need too! Not every show, but some like Randi too. You need a variety of different platforms. Understand, RW radio is not 24 hours of Rush or Hannity, and each broadcaster has his own following!

[Redneck Socialist]

20. Help me out here folks

I've only listened to two shows so far, Franken's and Garofalo's so maybe that's not a big enough sample, but I can't say I was all that impressed. It struck me as a bunch of lefties sitting around bitching, pretty much like DU. Entertaining enough in its way but pretty much preaching to the choir. What I was hoping for was NEWS with analysis from a liberal perspective.

Do any of the other shows provide that or is it just more the repubs suck echo?

[gWbush is Mabus]

23. yes - preaching to the choir

I know more about the issues (from DU) than:

Franken
Lanpher
and maybe Randi

why should I bother tuning in?

[sangh0]

27. Radio is primarily for people who don't read

so you probably shouldn't tune it, at least not to learn something.

However, radio is an effective way to set the Message of the Day. You might want to tune in for that.

[truthseeker1]

30. Mmm hmmm....Randi Rhodes ranting and raving

that's NOT the message or tone that I want to set MY day.

[sangh0]

33. Then don't listen

Why pretend that everyone agrees with you?

Even on DU, 75% like Randi

[truthseeker1]

34. I won't - and I don't

it's just my opinion.

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[truthseeker1]

37. Wow

no wonder you like rude and childish shock jocks.

[truthseeker1]

24. IMO, Franken and Garofalo are the best

the others disappoint. And I can't agree with you more.

I'll keep listening to Air, but for NEWS with analysis I'll continue to tune in daily to Amy Goodman on Democracy Now and catch Ian Masters' Background Briefing and FAIR's Counterspin on the weekends.

Edit: of course, that also includes The Daily Show!

[mellowinman]

31. Freepers are sending your complaints to AA's advertisers

See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1354814

[Chitown_Dem]

38. I voted no

I like the fact that AA uses humor instead of anger to get the point across.

[wyldwolf]

39. In all honesty, choice #1 isn't fair

If Air America is fiery and combative - but pushes the democratic agenda - that doesn't make it like a leftwing Clear Channel station.

There is obviously a market for combative radio. After all, how successful has liberal non-combative (NPR, Pacifica) radio been?

And, really, there is no DNC vs. DLC problem.

[Old and In the Way]

40. I like the mix.

Al gets his point accross with humor and sarcasm, Randi does it with a 2" x 4". I haven't listened to Garofalo, but I suspect she's more lowkey and highbrow in her presentation of the facts. All are good methods that attract listeners, hopefully many who are not progressive/liberals. Worst thing would be to have a single cookie cutter approach to getting the message out.

Perhaps AAR may not be conveying the depth and breadth of information that we are exposed to here daily....but they are changing non-DUers minds and that's why this program is so damn important.

[tilsammans]

41. I agree . . . I like the mix

While I personally prefer listening to the non-Rush types, I think it's best to feature a mix of styles and approaches. But if louder and more combative is what gathers more listeners into the fold, I say bring it on!

[MrSlayer]

42. It's not hate when you are just telling the truth.

Unlike the RW shows that distort the truth and outright lie the Liberal shows are simply telling the truth about what's going on. The Repukes can call it "attack and hate" radio but it's simply not an accurate description.