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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:11 PM
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bushgang to implant wireless radios in the homeless to track them

http://www.buzzflash.com/mailbag/04/04/mai04093.html

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Subj: Beyond Belief

Bush plans to implant wireless radio tags into homeless people to track their movements in real time. Pilot program for the rest of us I wonder?

http://politechbot.com/pipermail/politech/2004-April/000573.html

Ken

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excerpts from the article:

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
said Thursday that it was about to begin testing a new technology
designed to help more closely monitor and assist the nation's homeless
population.

Under the pilot program, which grew out of a series of policy academies
held in the last two years, homeless people in participating cities will
be implanted with mandatory Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) tags
that social workers and police can use track their movements.

The RFID technology was developed by HHS' Health Resources and Services
Administration (HRSA) in partnership with five states, including
California and New York. "This is a rare opportunity to use advanced
technology to meet society's dual objectives of better serving our
homeless population while making our cities safer," HRSA Administrator
Betty James Duke said.

The miniscule RFID tags are no larger than a matchstick and will be
implanted subdermally, meaning under the skin. Data from RFID tracking
stations mounted on telephone poles will be transmitted to police and
social service workers, who will use custom Windows NT software to track
movements of the homeless in real time.
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and look what Wal-Mart is doing:

While HRSA's program appears to be the first to forcibly implant humans
with RFID tags, the technology is becoming more widely adopted as
retailers use it to track goods. Wal-Mart Stores said last year that it
will require its top 100 suppliers to place RFID tags on shipping crates
and pallets by January 2005.
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the homeless will just dig the things out of their bodies no matter what damage occurs.

Notice: "forcibly implant humans"
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jadedcherub Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:13 PM
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1. Unreal. I'm speechless! (n/t)
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 01:23 PM
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18. i think this is leftover from fool's day....
no way this is for real.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:16 PM
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2. this is too goddamned much
is this for real? It's hard to trust UPI nowadays, being Moonie-owned and all that...
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:17 PM
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3. sci-fi!
HAHAHAHA....sounds too outlandish to be true!
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:20 PM
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6. it's true

nt
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:19 PM
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4. in Key West the police are photographing and fingerprinting the

homeless and barring them from certain places on the island. (like where the tourist congregate)
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:19 PM
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5. Testing 1-2-3
Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 12:28 PM by Monica_L
Yeah, based on how much compassionate conservatism I've seen since 2001, I really believe they're doing this is to help the homeless. :eyes:

Here's the giveaway...

Participating states will receive grants of $14 million to $58 million from the federal Projects for Assistance in Transition from Homelessness (PATH) program.

$14 - $58 million would be better spent on shelters. Since when do social workers go out on the streets looking for homeless people to feed and shelter? When the homeless want help, they know where to go.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:22 PM
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7. Technology gone WILD.... smacks of 1984
Forcibly implant shitty things into my body???

To monitor my movements?

When is the money gonna be spent WISELY?? WHY this Gross waste of Federal Funds which is in short supply.

When are we gonna help reduce and eliminate Homelessness?

Why not spend monies on reducing waste? We waste so much energy on trivial things future farmers gonna get real upset when their tractors run out of diesel.... then what? Rich and poor will die from lack of FOOD.

In a FAMINE, there is NO CLASS< Rich and Poor die side by side.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:26 PM
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8. erm, note the date of the posting... (april 1) coincidence?
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:29 PM
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9. more than coincidence
I still don't believe it's true lol
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:29 PM
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10. This can't be legal
Edited on Tue Apr-06-04 12:30 PM by nu_duer
Is there something in the patriot act that makes this legal?

I cannot believe this. Its too much.

These are American citizens. They may be homeless (there but for the grace of God, imho, could go any of us) but they are Americans. They have rights! They have the same damned rights as we do!

If they can do it to the homeless, they can do it to all of us.

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Llewlladdwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:32 PM
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11. Ummm, guys?
This was an April Fool's Day joke. Let's try not to make ourselves look any more gullible than necessary.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:36 PM
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12. WARNING: This is an uncorroborated e-mail
NO corroboration, like a Freeper blast e-mail.

Everyone CALM DOWN!

I agree that, if this was true, it would be grounds for (COMMENT REDACTED).

But as of right now, it is about the farthest thing from true as there can be, short of having come directly from Bush's or Rush's or DeLay's lips.

If you see any mainstream sources on this, please post (I just Googled...nothing except the initial link which says right there that it's probably a prank).

But I am guessing you'll not be able to find anything.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:37 PM
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13. Can't decide if the is "Big Brother" or "Mark of the Beast"?
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RossMcLochNess Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:37 PM
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14. People took "The Onion" seriously last week too
n/t
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:49 PM
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15. IMO an "April Fools" hoax, but a good one
Go to http://www.hrsa.gov to see that the HHS agency purportedly involved is real and does have special programs to serve the homeless.

I fear the technology described in the hoax email WILL be implemented soon, but in an even more vulnerable test population: prisoners on parole. Some of them already are fitted out with electronic devices to monitor their whereabouts. People on parole would agree to and sign virtually ANYTHING to stay out of jail.

I think it's John Ashcroft's department we have to be most afraid of "chipping" people, not Tommy Thompson's.

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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 01:04 PM
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17. HHS is far from a warm and fuzzy place
They're the ones who came up with the MEHPA which gives governors of each state dictatorial powers in the event of a health emergency.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/dec/26/mehpa.htm

If the gov't ever wanted to set a precedent for involuntarily implementing chips in humans, they could do it much more easily by doing it under the guise of helping. Once the precedent is established -- among a population of which many people don't concern themselves overly much -- it's paves the way to expand it in another population (prisoners) and so on and so on...
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-04 12:54 PM
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16. Hmmm - this bears some thinking, but AIRLINES are seriously considering
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using them on flyers' boarding passes to monitor where the people are in the Airport.
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"The TSA has already started to work on deploying RFID boarding passes in Africa under the Federal Aviation Administration's Safe Skies for Africa Initiative, Cerino said. He didn't say which countries would use the boarding passes or when the project would start. The initiative identifies Angola, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Ivory Coast, Kenya, Mali, Namibia, Tanzania and Zimbabwe as member countries.

Katherine Albrecht, founder and director of Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering (CASPIAN), a privacy group that has fought the use of RFID tags by retailers and other organizations, called the idea a potentially "shocking and outrageous" violation of civil liberties.

She called the use of RFID to track people a "nightmare scenario" that uses technology to invade privacy. "Are they going to track how long I spend in the ladies room?"

MORE

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And who says when it comes to the homeless that they will even ASK?

Or just make it SOP on ANYONE that has any surgery,

Or that they have not already begun???????

The BFEE and gang are not against invasions and massacres, so what's a little "implant"?

. . :shrug: . .

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