Naive question - why is * so adamant in turning over Iraq "power"?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

Can't he see even the most obvious facts?

He is pushing this whole evil mess to the EXTREMES of unbelievability!

[DarkPhenyx]

1. He's trying to save his political ass.

If he hasn't turned it over by the election some people are going to use it as a reason to vote against him. Right now both sides are scrambling for all the votes they can lock down or steal.

[K-W]

2. He wants to change the public appearence of Iraq

If he can get some kind of puppet government up, it will look like progress. Even if the US embassy is actually running the country.

[kcwayne]

3. November Election

They are desparate to make it look like something is being accomplished over there

[molly]

4. He will not admit that he was wrong

it's his great big ego. This man-child will NEVER admit to mistakes.

[Warren Stuart]

5. It's the re-election baby!

In the Bush White House, Politics triumphs over all.

Politics, Politics
Uber alles

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

7. No-one has sold me on the election being the reason, yet

What good is turning over power when there's a civil war there? The American public will see that an Iraq in absolute violent chaos (which it will be if we just turn over "power") is worse off than when we started killing their civilians and our troops.

The pukes have market researchers who know this. It's got to be something else.

Obviously the election is the goal but there's got to be something else motivating this obsession. I believe that the post that said it's about his ego and not admitting that he's wrong is on the right track.

[meatloaf]

14. It's really quite simple.

Once we've figuratively turned over control to the Iraqis it gives Bush plausible deniability for anything else that goes wrong.

He can simply say it's nor my/our fault, we're not in control anymore. For those of us who are well-versed in world politics this won't fly but for the Sheeple, it'll do.

[robbob]

39. Even more than that...

Once the monkey declares we have officially turned power over then CNN, Faux, NBC etc. can officially start ignoring anything that goes on over there.

When was the last time the media delivered a report on progress in Afghanistan?

[tkmorris]

6. Very, very, simple

Once power is turned over we no longer occupy the country, at least that is the image they hope to present. Security in Iraq is no longer our problem and while deadly clashes with massive fatalities will continue to occur they will no longer be covered by the news.

We will occupy the country, we will control the resources, we will do whatever we want to do there but what happens to the PEOPLE there will no longer be our problem. Unfortunately the Iraqi people are getting wise to our plans and are beginning to object.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. Because Bu$h told the whole world that June 30th

was the day it would happen. Another stupid decision by the chimp, in a long series of stupid decisions.

This date was picked months ago purely for political reasons. However, now he's backed himself into a corner that he can't get out off.

I just heard Biden complaining, that even though Bu$h is sticking to the June 30th date, no one knows what he is planning. Iraq does not have even the semblance of a police force or an army to try to regain control of their own country at this point. Biden says that the WH hasn't spoken to either him or Sen Lugar about any of this. They have no idea what Bu$h is thinking. The HEAD of the SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS committee has no clue what Bu$h is planning to do in Iraq?

Bu$h needs to be forced to resign for his total incompetence, he is not only endangering the USA, he is endangering the whole world at this point.

[JohnyCanuck]

10. My greatest fear when the little turdball was apointed president.

>>he is not only endangering the USA, he is endangering the whole world at this point.<<

[molly]

11. Bush doesn't have a plan

for ANYTHING! I heard Joe Biden yesterday. It is very troubling.

[displacedtexan]

16. You're absolutely correct!

A peek at the chimp's CREEP (Committee to RE-Elect the Prez) would show June 30th as the drop dead (no macabre pun intended) date for exiting Iraq as heroes... that would give the repukes 90 days to distance themselves from soldier deaths and casualties before the election.

They never figured the Iraqis would resist their illegal invasion and occupation by chimpy's crusaders.

[Jim Sagle]

17. Actually it's CRAP - Committe to Re-Appoint the President.

[central scrutinizer]

33. they hope they can stave off the fundamentalist Islamic takeover

until just after the election. A lot of brave American soldiers will die to keep the lid on July 1 - November 2

[sangha]

9. He needs to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement

with the Iraqi govt before he gets thrown out of office, but he can't do that unless there's an Iraqi govt to negotiate with.

[Capt_Nemo]

32. EXACTLY!

That is the main objective of the PNACers right now!

How in the hell are they ever going to sustain logisticaly those bases
against the will of the Iraqis is however a mistery...

[sangh0]

34. In that case, please see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1352644

[Loonman]

12. He wants to cut and run

C'mon..........does anyone seriously believe Bush gives a shit about the Iraqi people?

[underpants]

13. Actually when the sandstorms hit last March/April they announced....

that permenant bases would be established. That was already known but had not formally been announced.

The turnover is just so W can run around and claim bringing liberty and independence to Iraq.

[coltman]

15. Hell The little.......

asshole doesn't care about anything other than power and wealth.

[leftofthedial]

18. He pretends to be a Christian

and he finds he has cast himself in the role of Pontius Pilate, washing his hands of the whole country, since they have no savior (although Moqtada al-Sadr is jockeying for the "Jesus" role.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

29. Excellent perspective - that makes Rove Herod, right

Kill the firstborn!

[leftofthedial]

40. LOL Rove'd make a good Herod,

but Chalabi or one o fthe other bushgang collaborators is probably more to the point.

[Q]

19. What makes you think he's being sincere?

- He and his cabal of Reagan rejects have no intention of turning over power to the Iraqis. You'll see that there will be 'unexpected' events that will 'prevent' transfer of power...like more violence and 'terrorism'.

- Bush* must APPEAR as if he wants to turn over power...but will find a reason to 'flip,flop' his way out of it.

- Does anyone REALLY think they're going to give up their military bases in Iraq after being thrown out of Saudi?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

20. What do you predict for the "unexpected events"?

Curious

[tabasco]

26. Right, all that's happening is a meaningless ceremony.

But it will look good on the corporate news when the whores will proclaim "Iraq is Free!" US will still be in complete control and Iraq will NOT be sovereign. GIs will continue to die.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

21. Can you say: "Mission accomplished"?

I knew you could.
You see, it's all about LABELS, MARKETING, PACKAGING.
This is the CEO/MBA President after all. It's all about selling a message.
You say you want content? FUHGEDABOUTIT!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

23. They must know (through their market research)that the people won't buy it

Come on. I think they've gone fucking nuts!

[spanone]

22. P O L I T I C S

[sangh0]

24. I disagree

It won't help Bush* get re-elected if he establishes a government in Iraq that can't govern. Not only that, but the prospect of giving power to a group of Iraqis, without specifying who it will be or how they will be organized and how they will weild their powers, only exacerbates the tensions that seperate the various political and ethnic groupings.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

25. that's what I'm talking about!

:toast:

[sangh0]

27. please see my thread

at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1352644

[Tracer]

28. Oh, they have a plan!

I watched Biden claim that the WH hasn't told them about their "plan" Ñ and I think that Biden was either taking the opportunity to criticize the administration, or is just plain uninformed.


From an article by Naomi Klein at the Smirking Chimp:


The CPA has also confirmed that after June 30, the $18.4 billion the US government is spending on reconstruction will be administered by the US Embassy in Iraq. The money will be spent over five years and will fundamentally redesign Iraq's most basic infrastructure, including its electricity, water, oil and communications sectors, as well as its courts and police. Iraq's future governments will have no say in the construction of these core sectors of Iraqi society. Retired Rear Adm. David Nash, who heads the Project Management Office, which administers the funds, describes the $18.4 billion as "a gift from the American people to the people of Iraq." He appears to have forgotten the part about gifts being something you actually give up. And in the same eventful week, US engineers began construction on fourteen "enduring bases" in Iraq, capable of housing the 110,000 soldiers who will be posted here for at least two more years. Even though the bases are being built with no mandate from an Iraqi government, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy chief of operations in Iraq, called them "a blueprint for how we could operate in the Middle East."


and there's more. Head on over there and read the whole article.

[OneBlueSky]

30. ain't gonna happen . . .

no way, no how . . . read on . . .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1186566,00.html

Washington has given up on its plans to hand over power to an interim Iraqi government on June 30, and is creating the chaos it needs to declare the handover impossible. A continued occupation will be bad news for George Bush on the campaign trail, but not as bad as if the hand-over happens and the country erupts, an increasingly likely scenario given the widespread rejection of the legitimacy of the interim constitution and the US- appointed governing council.

[TrogL]

31. He doesn't want another Vietnam

So he's doing a "fall of Saigon".

This is not going to be pretty.

[Jacobin]

35. There IS no turnover, silly

We are turning it over to puppets controlled by the U.S. The soldiers will all still be there.

It's just something he wants to be able to SAY happened.

It's just campaign bullshit.

The invasion of Iraq just blew up.

Smirky is fried.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

38. I think it won't work.

Many more people are waking up to the lies.

[snippy]

36. Bush is always most adamant just before the dawn of the flip-flop.

[Generator]

41. Love that snippy , dawn is when the polls drop

But of course he's adamant because as with everything in Bushland, it's about the election, stupid! He thinks (god help us if he's right) that by having the formal handover done when he planned for (and way before November) the elecorate will be convinced that Iraq is not really a war anymore but just a peacekeeping force. No, the war hasn't even been won yet, and it's questionable how many years, bodies and American taxpayer dollars it will take. Remember when the capture of Saddam was supposed to have solved everything? That gave him a boost in the polls and now guess what American taxpayer, this war is more complicated than capturing one evil doer.

[Junkdrawer]

37. Trying to get rigged election rules in place and prevent Shi'a rule..

Three ethnic groups with the Shi'a having the vast majority. The US will put rules in place that will prevent the Shi'a from ruling and thus endear us to the Sunnis and the Kurds. The hope is that this, in turn, will allow us to maintain a permanent troop presence and allow our corporations free reign.