Are abortions still necessary ( other than for medical reasons)?

[DennisReveni]

There is a blog discussion about the Fetal protection bill. Everyone is whining pro-abortion.
But, mainly they are whining about it as a form of birth control.
In modern society there is absolutely no reason ( other than medical) to get as far as an abortion. There are very many methods of contraception, that used either singly or in combination, will prevent insemination.
Some were arguing that some men will not bother with birth control. That it is only the woman responsible for birth control.
Sounds like the solution is NOT to have sex with the men ( or women) who will not act responsibly.
I know women who have EVERY man get tested for STD's/HIV before having sex. If they don't no nooky.
First and foremost one is personally responsible for their own bodies. We are supposed to teach our children that.

[Az]

1. Oops

[Gman]

2. You have no right whatsoever to judge what a woman does

with her body. Its really none of your business.

[Gman]

11. And furthermore...

you can stop with the "personal responsibility" bullshit. That's RW code for badmouthing what other people do just because they don't like what they're doing even though its none of their damn business. The RW fundie so-called (and I use the term very loosely) "christians" are the biggest users of this term.

What a crock of repuke bullshit you've posted.

[DarkPhenyx]

17. We have every right to judge.

We just don't have any right to prevent her.

[Warpy]

58. It's self defense

This is not a benign condition. There are risks to life and health inherent in producing the next generation. Don't discount them because you may be ignorant of them. Pregnancy is six times more lethal than abortion.

Even if everything goes perfectly, consider the months of disability, disability which prevents one from working and earning an income. Then consider the lifetime expense of raising a human being, and the 24/7 labor involved in this, labor which is vital but uncompensated.

Don't glibly suggest giving an unwanted pregnancy up for adoption after birth. It's not like giving away an extra puppy. There are lifelong consequences in terms of chronic depression, to say the least.

Add all these together, and you can understand why women in countries where abortion is illegal continue to risk their lives getting illegally aborted. Illegal, unsafe abortion remains the leading cause of death for young women in these countries.

Women will continue to seek abortion for pregnancies they do not want to carry to term. That is a fact. Antiabortion laws kill women by driving this medical procedure into the hands of amateurs. That is another fact.

Judgmental people can take thier pickle faced condemnation and pack it into the appropriate orifice as fat as I'm concerned. Women who abort are defending their lives. Period.

[DarkPhenyx]

68. Says you.

Somehow I think you are also being judgemental. Equally so, and just as blindly.

I happen to be pro choice. THe statement was, however, that people had no right being judgemental about women having an abortion. That statement is flawed. I was mearly pointing that out.

[Q]

3. Sounds like a Bush* campaign speech...

...blah.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. Abortions are still necessary

for victims of rape and incest. I had a mentally challenged relative who was raped and it wasn't discovered for several weeks (she cannot talk or otherwise effectively communicate). She had an abortion. Of course the cops felt it was low priority and completely bungled the chain of evidence. The rapist was never caught, and is free to victimize another woman anytime he wants to.

[DennisReveni]

13. Medical

""Abortions are still necessary"
Posted by ayeshahaqqiqa

for victims of rape and incest. I had a mentally challenged relative who was raped and it wasn't discovered for several weeks (she cannot talk or otherwise effectively communicate). She had an abortion. Of course the cops felt it was low priority and completely bungled the chain of evidence. The rapist was never caught, and is free to victimize another woman anytime he wants to."

That would fall into the medical category.
I am not denying that.
My claim is that with proper birth control, either singly or in combination, there is it will never get to the abortion stage.

[Az]

20. Yes, everyone is perfect

No one ever makes mistakes. There is no such thing as alcohol. There never is a failure of birth control attempts. And no one ever ever in the history of the human race has ever changed their mind.

[stepnw1f]

69. That's A ridiculous Statement

"My claim is that with proper birth control, either singly or in combination, there is it will never get to the abortion stage."

Have you ever used contraceptives? Three siblings of mine were the result of failed contraceptives. I've broken condoms before. So, lets not pretend you know what your talking about.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

77. Two questions for you...

...and really these are questions for all of those people that are Pro-Life...

Question #1: Are you willing to adopt one or more of the children that are brought unwanted into this world, including those that are born addicted to drugs and alcohol?

Question #2: If you are really Pro-Life, why are the orphanages in America full of kids that have never had a chance to live a normal life?

[corporatewhore]

5. a woman having control over her own body is still necessary!!!!!

[Atrios]

6. failure rates

all contraceptives have non-trivial failure rates which, when multiplied by the millioins of people in the population, equal a large number of unwanted pregnancies.

[unblock]

7. what planet are you from?

ever hear of birth control failing?
ever hear of rape?
ever hear of a man divorcing/splitting/dying shortly after getting a woman pregnant?
ever hear of serious birth defects?
ever hear of a woman realizing she's just not ready for parenthood?
ever hear of selective reduction?

[rooboy]

16. Even more commonly...

has he ever heard of someone having too much to drink and doing something they later regretted? Not much of a circumstance under which to start a life...

[DennisReveni]

34. Again

"has he ever heard of someone having too much to drink and doing something they later regretted? Not much of a circumstance under which to start a life..."

That is failure of personal responsibility.
I have seen women 8 months pregnant downing beers at happy hour and smoking.
God knows why they chose to have children if they are just going to fuck them up in the womb.
But, clearly their actions show no personal responsibility.
That was one of my main points, abortion today is mainly a failure ( other than for medical reasons) of personal responsibility.
This failure is also what transmits STD's.
So, it has a greater impact on society as a whole.

[Az]

39. Confused

You favor having people incapable of dealing with personal responisibility having babies?

I find it the height of irresponisibility for someone to not deal with a thing they are not ready for. The creation of a human being should be one of the most considered and responsible descisions a person makes in their own life. Making a person on a whim or because of disregard for the circumstances is beyond responsibility. It is a crime IMO.

Mistakes happen. Bad descisions are made. Not taking responsibility and making the right choice for the situation is irresponsible. Abortion is an option. If you find yourself pregnant and do not believe that creating a person you cannot care for is a bad path then choosing to have an abortion is a viable solution. And you owe no one an explanation.

[Atman]

46. "That is failure of personal responsibility."

On the part of the woman (or partner), perhaps. So then, your answer is to punish a child by forcing him/her to be brought into a home unwanted, perhaps to a person unable or unwilling to provide proper care for that child. The "personal responsibility" crap ends where other's people's lives begin.

Who will have the "personal responsibility" of caring for that child for 18 years? Not the rich bastards Bush gave our treasury too. In fact, come to think of it, NO ONE, because Bush also is eliminating all the programs which would care for this unwanted child.

So, in your world, "personal responsibility" means a third-world type situation wherein young children live on the streets, parentless. Perhaps selling themselves for food and dope.

When will you righties show some "personal responsibility" for the country you choose to live in a better place? Taking away womens rights and dumping unwanted kids on the street hardly seems "responsible."

[kimchi]

87. If you really are concerned about women drinking or smoking who could

harm their child, then you should be the first to advocate them having an abortion. A wanted child is a healthy child; and conversely an unwanted child may be neglected pre or post birth.

But I can see where this is going; not only must they carry an unwanted child to term, but you would want to prosecute them for any actions that would harm the child.

Sounds like the Handmaid's Tale to me.

Sincerely,
Ofgeorge

[DennisReveni]

22. But

"ever hear of birth control failing?"

Combinations, should be successful.
That is what I do.

"ever hear of serious birth defects?"
Medical, already mentioned.

"ever hear of a woman realizing she's just not ready for parenthood?
ever hear of selective reduction?"

Shouldn't be getting knocked up then.
The first is a FAILURE of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
And what is "selective reduction"?

"ever hear of a man divorcing/splitting/dying shortly after getting a woman pregnant?"

No. I have heard about DEADBEAT dad laws.
Or more personal responsibility.

Explain to me why personal responsibility for your own body, isn't applied to any of your "what if"s"?
Clearly most of them illustrate a weak decision making process.
Or immaturity.
If you are immature, you SHOULD NOT have children anyway.
So, why have them? can't be love, because you want to abort them later.

[unblock]

50. if it's all personal responsibility

why not let a woman take responsibility and have an abortion if she's in a situation where she can't be a proper mother?

as to birth control failing, combos improve the odds, but nothing is 100%. please address what a responsible couple should do if they don't want kids but their 3 methods managed to fail.

as to the realizing you're not ready, what i meant was that you might think you're ready when you get pregnant, then later conclude that you really aren't ready, perhaps after speaking with a priest and learning more about what being a parent really means. then it would be irresponsible to have a baby.

as to selective reduction, this is when you become pregnant with more than one fetus, possibly many, and abort some in order to get down to a more reasonable number. maybe you will recognize this as medically necessary.

as to the 'deadbeat dad' catchphrase, i notice that you picked out the dad splitting from my list and ignored the dad dying. well maybe dying was damn irresponsible. i could add to the list losing his job, but you probably consider that irresponsible too.


the bottom line on 'personal responsibility' is that is abortion is banned, then the STATE is taking over responsibility. the woman is only taking responsibility if she has a choice. if the woman has no choice, then carrying the fetus to term is a sentence, a requirement, or a duty.

[Cassandra]

25. Or going to the pharmacy for...

emergency contraception and finding out that the pharmacist refuses to stock it for his personal religious reasons.
Personally, I believe in the 24-hour rule: any man who wants to have unprotected sex should be required to think about it carefully for 24 hours. That would cut down on the need for many abortions.

[Az]

30. Sheesh

Talk about a buzz kill..... :D

[Cassandra]

40. Women usually like that rule because...

it speaks to male responsibility, not just female.

[Az]

41. I know

Just trying to inject some humor in this inferno of a topic.

[Katha]

70. Thank you!

Especially for that first one. Birth control is not perfect. My boyfriend's sister was on the Pill, used it exactly how it's supposed to be used, and still got pregnant.

[patricia92243]

8. In a perfect world, this would be the case. But we live in the real world

where people don't do what they are "Supposed To".

[ott]

9. They're not necessary for medical reasons

... I mean, as long as we're still assuming the woman is irrelevant.

[Mandate My Ass]

10. Flame bait extraordinaire

On quick scan I counted three right-wing talking points, one outright lie, two misogynist mischaracterizations and two instances of opinion presented as fact.

Something tells me you're going to get your wish.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

53. But misogyny is allowed on DU, remember?

Jeez, Monica, we're just incubators anyway! Don't you get it?

HONOR THE FETUS, HATE THE CHILD, SUBJUGATE THE WOMAN

Now go report to cultural re-training, or Dennis will report you to the Gestational Gestapo! Sieg Heil!

:crazy:

[slinkerwink]

79. yes, HONOR THE FETUS, HATE THE CHILD, SUBJUGATE THE WOMAN

it's such a sad state to see misogynistic and sexist posters having free reign here in DU.

[corporatewhore]

12. Alot can happen a woman could lose her partner a job could be lost

she could experience a traumatic event she just might just decide she is not ready or has to many kids all ready a condom might break A WOMANS RIGHT TO CONTROL HER OWN DAMN BODY IS NECESSARY !!!!!!

[DennisReveni]

29. corporatewhore

Clearly you missed the point. So I will explain it again.
With all the various methods of birth control available in modern society, used either singly or in combination, it is not necessary to get as far as an abortion.
If one is a responsible adult one will take all precautions to avoid disease and unwanted pregnancies.
Essentially, abortions which have been on the decrease because of more effective methods of birth control, are not really necessary anymore. Except in medical related situations.

[Az]

33. To reiterate, It does not matter

A woman does not have to justify to you what descisions she makes about her body. There are a host of reasons that could lead one to change their mind from one day to the next. If a woman decides that she does not wish to give her body over to a developing fetus then it is her right to have it removed. Period.

[Lars39]

66. Are you aware that condoms break, anti-biotics interfere with bc pills?

Also many women ARE NOT aware that X number of bc pills can be taken after a night of unprotected sex.

[shimmergal]

85. Sigh! DennisReveni, it's obvious

that you uonderstand nothing about human nature.

OK, it's good that you use contraception. That's the least you can do. But with your monumental lack of understanding of the way the world works, it might be better if you abstain from any intimacy at all. With the sort of naivete your attitude displays (and naivete is the kindest term that applies to it), reality is going to slap you in the face eventually.

[bushisanidiot]

14. How Simple. Why didn't we think of that sooner?

"Sounds like the solution is NOT to have sex with the men ( or women) who will not act responsibly. "

Sorry, but it's not that simple. There are many reasons why women seek abortions and "birth control" is not the primary reason.. as much as the anti-choice crazies want us to believe.

[KG]

15. Are RW talking points still necessary on DU?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

54. Apparently they are

:eyes:

[prolesunited]

55. You noticed that as well?

One right after the other. And did you notice it was all the woman's fault?

Ooooh, women are "whining" about control over their own bodies and destinies. :wtf:

Again, the woman's fault:
"Shouldn't be getting knocked up then.
The first is a FAILURE of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY."

Solution:
Woman shouldn't have sex.

You must have loved the Handmaid's Tale? Is that a prototype for the world in which you want to live?

[rooboy]

18. Is divorce still necessary (other than for medical reasons)? n/t

[Az]

19. Pregnancy is not a justifiable punishment for irresponisibility

This continues to be one of the more aggrivating arguments of the antichoice crowd. The notion that one must pay a price for their actions. We have a choice of what we want to do with our bodies. This does not stop because of mistakes or accidents. If it is not a womans intent to make a person then it is entirely her choice for whatever reason to end a pregnancy. It is her body alone.

[Caution]

21. Condoms, IUDs, etc etc are not 100% effective

If a woman becomes pregnant and does not wish to carry the fetus to term the woman has a right to control over what happens to her body. period. Whether YOU feel it is necessary (medically or for any other reason) or not is moot.

[Az]

23. Who cares

If a woman deliberately gets pregnant one day and decides to change her mind the next day.... that is her freaking right. Its her body. She can do with it as she will.

[DennisReveni]

26. WTF?

3. Who cares
If a woman deliberately gets pregnant one day and decides to change her mind the next day.... that is her freaking right. Its her body. She can do with it as she will."

That has to be the STUPIDEST thing ever.
Is this the level of intellectual discourse we have sunk to?

[Az]

28. It is the crux of the matter

It is her body. You cannot define the criteria upon which she decides what she does with it. She has the freedom to be as irresponsible with her life as she chooses to be. We can sit by and make concerned faces and tsk tsk sounds. But it is her body to do with as she pleases.

[DennisReveni]

24. Condoms, IUDs, etc etc are not 100% effective

Even in combination?
The point still remains if the individual is responsible for their own health and well being, then they will use the utmost measures to avoid unnecessary risks.
What about things like RU48?

[Az]

27. If

Guess what. Not everyone is responsible. Making a person is not a justified punishment for irresponsibility. In fact its a really bad idea. Do we really want to encourage irresponsible people to have babies?

[Ilsa]

32. Have you even bothered to look up statistics?

No, not every form of birth control, even sterilization, is 100% effective! Even women with tied tubes on rare occasions have gotten pregnant!

Let me ask you, how many hours of preparation prior to actual coitus do you wish to jump through hoops to insure you don't get pregnant? One of the things people like about birth control, etc is the freedom to enjoy their sexuality without having to worry about it during sex. Do you worry during sex? Do you like worrying during sex?

I think you need to look at the surrounding issues alot harder before declaring that abortion is unnecessary. But ultimately, it is the woman's choice to decide whether she is going to proceed with such a life-altering event. You and the US governmant shouldn't be dictating that to her any more than she should be dictating where or how you live your life.

[DennisReveni]

36. Again

"Let me ask you, how many hours of preparation prior to actual coitus do you wish to jump through hoops to insure you don't get pregnant?"

As many as necessary.
I know women who force their partners to get tested for STD's/HIV before sex. That is DAYS of preparation.
So, what is the difference?

"Do you like worrying during sex?"

I use combinations of birth control so I don't have to worry.
Personal responsibility is the issue.

[charlie]

42. You should worry

No combination is foolproof.

In any case, if a couple practices the utmost diligence in every instance and a pregnancy results...

do you have any objection to her opting for an abortion?

[Ilsa]

71. Not everyone can take every form of birth control.

Not every woman can take the pill. Others do very poorly on depo provera. Others cannot have IUD's, while some get infections everytime they use diaphragms. You're lucky if you get to use five forms at once and not have any problems. Pregnancies do happen, even with birth control. Go talk to a gynecologist.

Ultimately, it is the woman's decison to figure out what she wants to do if things don't work out, even if she did eveything possible. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[Lars39]

75. Some women are allergic to condoms, too.

A former neighbor was.

[Samurai_Writer]

59. Getting pregnant after a tubal ligation

This is more common than most people know. The tubes can regrow after a period of time. Unless sections are cut and REMOVED from the tubes and both ends are cauterized then sewn, the chance of having a pregnancy (ectopic or normal) is pretty high.

I just had to go have tests done for some outpatient surgery I'm having next week. One of the tests was a PREGNANCY test, even though I had a tubal 3 years ago. The woman at the testing lab said they have had women come in who have had tubals and have tested positive for pregnancy. And this is a relatively small area. Imagine how many are getting pregnant nation-wide.

As for the original poster, I won't even respond to their blather. As someone who HAS been treated as an incubator (a birthmother), I can't express how I REALLY feel about people (mostly men!) who try to force women to remain pregnant.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

61. Good point-see my above post about getting pregnant on the Pill

All types of Birth Control fail. The poster either does not have sex or doesn't live in the real world.

[booksenkatz]

37. One of my best friends used a combo

She was a very responsible person, took her pill religiously every night, and also used foam because she absolutely did NOT want to get pregnant. The result is that she has a 20-year-old daughter. I guess you would have recommended that my friend not have sex at all with her husband if she didn't want to get pregnant?

Are you one of those people who wants to pass a law declaring that sex should only be performed within marriage and only for procreation and only in the missionary position?

Get out of my bedroom. Thanks.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

56. Pal, I have become pregnant ON THE PILL!

And before you start patronizing me that maybe as a woman I'm just not responsible enough to follow directions, think again. You must have some deep-seated issues with women.

I have been pregnant several times, miscarried several times, and I'm childless by choice. Who the FUCK are you to tell me that if I get pregnant because of birth control failure that I should carry the child THAT I DO NOT WANT?

[rasputin1952]

89. See my post below....

I am asking you the same question.

:)

[put out]

31. Don't worry about it.

I will be responsible for my own body. And you will not decide what goes for me and my family. "Prevent insemination", what are you talking about? Do you have an understanding of human reproduction?

[Carolina]

35. Dennis

Contraception can FAIL!

Abortion remains an invasive, surgical procedure that is not without risks and, at the very least, discomfort. It also costs a lot more money than birth control. Therefore it is a MYTH that some women use abortion as birth control. And if a rare few do repeatedly, then yes, they are acting irresponsibly. But that said, in such rare scenarios, if you force the woman to have the child, WHO do you think suffers?

There are any number of medical reasons pertaining to the health of the mother or because of genetic/morphologic abnormalities of the fetus that can lead one to choose termination of a pregnancy. But regardless, it should remain the woman's choice, and access to safe, LEGAL provision by trained physicians should remain the standard.

Making abortion illegal again will not make it unavailable, fetal rights or not. This absurd GOP Congress is initiating a slippery slope. If Repukes remain in control, before you know it, fetal rights will supersede maternal rights and as in Romania under Ceausescu, women may actually be mandated to have a prescribed number of babies, especially White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant women.

Carolina, M.D.

[DennisReveni]

38. Carolina

The issue is NOT illegality.
The point is it should never get as far as abortion, EXCEPT for medical reasons.
Everyone is personally responsible for their own health and well being. Everyone should put the utmost time and effort into avoiding hazards to such.

[Az]

44. It does

We do not live in a perfect world. Poverty and ignorance are pervasive in our society. Ignorance and disinterest will always be with us. No matter how much we want the world to be perfect there will always be mistakes.

I hear and understand your concern. I do not agree with it but I do understand that what you are trying to fight for is good in your mind. But our diverse society has a plethora of moral and ethical standards. Each individual free to find their own path. Not all are the same. But all are free.

[Katarina]

52. The point is

it's none of YOUR business what I do with my body. You don't believe in abortions, good for you. Practice it but stay the hell out of my business. I am so tired of men dictating what a woman can and cannot do with her own body. The body piercing law in Ga. comes to mind. It would be so nice if people could take care of their own lives and stay out of other peoples personal business.
Find another crusade. I don't need people like you telling me what is right or wrong, thank you very much.

[supernova]

43. Abortion will always be necessary

It's part of being a woman to have the option to not follow through with a pregnancy. And her reasons are entirely her own.

In modern society there is absolutely no reason ( other than medical) to get as far as an abortion. There are very many methods of contraception, that used either singly or in combination, will prevent insemination. Some were arguing that some men will not bother with birth control. That it is only the woman responsible for birth control. Sounds like the solution is NOT to have sex with the men ( or women) who will not act responsibly.

Are you such a perfect judge of character that you KNOW that person you are having sex with will be a good parent and life partner? That they will be there for you and the baby? That they will never walk out? That they will help provide for the infand and never lose a job? That they will never sicken and die? Not many of us do, despite our best intentions. You obviously haven't lived long enough to see how often our foibles trip us up, both men and women.

And for your information, many self-professed "pro-lifers" in the extreme RW of the GOP don't want to get rid of just abortion. Oh no. They want to get rid of birth control period. They want to resubjugate women.

Bottom line: It is my body, therefore my decision. While you are entitled to your opinion, I will fight you every step of the way if you try to legislate it.

[IronLionZion]

45. No

but I still support the right to choose while being pro-life if that makes any sense. growing up with parents who don't want you or in an orphanage is no life for any child.
I think Bill O'Reilly's parents wanted to abort him and that's why he hates them so much. just kidding

[BonjourUSA]

47. Rape, misery, girlhood and personal will too...

Your discussion has a good smell of Middle Age.

[NicoleM]

48. What's your point?

Either you believe that abortion should be legal and available or you don't. If you believe that it should be legal and available, you are more than welcome to do whatever you think is necessary to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country. Nobody is stopping you.

If you think it should be illegal, then just say so.

[readmylips]

49. Too early AM: Please stay out of my crotch....

You know God game this crotch and all the working parts to me. He also gave me reason, conscience, spirit and free will. Whatever I do down there in my private parts, I only answer to God. Not to littleman bush and his criminals, not the the government, not to jerry fatwell, not to my religion, not to my Bible, but only to God. So who made them boss?

[kentuck]

51. What does "necessity" have to do with it ??

:shrug: I thought it was a constitutional issue??

[Az]

57. I never sinned?

Why am I becoming suspicious?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

60. Are you going to come back and answer us, or are you unable?

:shrug:

[Az]

62. His name is

I never sinned backwards. I begin to suspect a religious right agenda here.

DennisReveni ineveRsinneD

[charlie]

64. Fer cryin' out loud

I was wondering what you were talking about. You're pretty sharp, good catch.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

67. Wow, good catch.

It must be nice walking around the world knowing you are just so much better than the common folk. :eyes:

[slinkerwink]

63. yes, they still are necessary because you can't get contraception

in some places, or that the family planning center is too far away to get contraception, then you need an abortion. Also, there's that 2% chance with the birth control pill that you'd get pregnant, and if you do, you have the absolute right to get an abortion.

Also, if you're raped, you have the absolute right to get an abortion. You're whacked for asking this.

[revcarol]

65. Invasion of the bodysnatchers.

People have the right to snatch your body if they don't approve what you have done with it, or what has accidentally happened to it.:argh:

[Ilsa]

72. Dennis Reveni, I thought you were dead.

Weren't you drowned? Did you pick your handle just because your mind is always on inflammatory subjects?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

73. I think he just may be

hasn't been back in an hour after starting a flame war.

[Runcible Spoon]

81. well, he ain't tombstoned yet...

YET!

[rasputin1952]

74. Let me ask you this...

How do you feel about RU-486? The "morning after pill".

The situation is immediately dealt with, long before there is viable
cell formation. Why is this not available to women, it wouold end this discussion instantaneously.

I await your answer.

:)

[thinkingwoman]

76. as the mother of 2 "birth control babies"

I assure you that birth control fails.

I even had a pregnancy after my tubes were tied! Unfortunately, I miscarried.

Every time I hear somebody talk about how foolproof birth control is I laugh out loud, right in their face.

Yes, I am laughing at you.

[MadProphetMargin]

78. How about the bunch of you mind your frickin' business?

Cripes.

[Runcible Spoon]

80. I AM SO SICK OF THIS SHIT!

sorry to feed the troll all, and this response is not so much addressed to Mr. I Never Sinned, as much as it is a rant on the topic.

I am SO SICK of having to take all the responsibility for preventing pregnancies, ritualistically poisening my body daily with hormones, doing all the worrying about gettng pregnant. Fortunately, I DO have an understanding, supportive boyfriend. However, he will never get pregnant, so it is impossible for him to completely understand exactly what women face.

WHERE THE FUCK is MALE birth control?? People can rail all they want about irresponsible women, but where is the large scale societal blame for men who sleep around impregnating multiple women and then leaving them and moving on to more?? Do the math. How many babies can a woman have? How many women can a SINGLE man impregnante? It is high time that we freakin' get male birth control on the market (I don't want to hear about condoms, they break, and many men won't use them)

Fact remains that people will continue to make irresponsible decisions. Some will argue that male birth control will cause a rise in STDs bc. men will then not use condoms. Well, if women are on the pill, then men prolly won't use condoms anyway, and an STD is a far more "suitable punishment" (I don't think this, but it's a response to RW talking point about forcing a woman to carry a child to term as a punishment) than being forced to bear a child. At least only one person is being "punished", not two.

If men took a bit more responsibility towards reproduction(I don't mean you wonderful guys at DU, I'm talking about some drunken asshole who borderline date rapes a girl at a frat party) then maybe, JUST MAYBE, I'd take their opinions about abortion into consideration. But until men have taken that step, I could give a rat's ass about what they have to say about the issue (again, not you wonderful DU guys, well most of you anyway..I can think of a few conspicuous exceptions, but then I'd get "blue" in the face!)

Sorry this is not one of my more eloquent posts, but I'm just sick of seeing this stuff being thrown around, in the real world, but especially at DU, which I consider somewhat of a safe haven.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

83. Goes back to the old adage my Catholic mother used

if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. There would also not be any problem with overpopulation.

[Runcible Spoon]

84. that would be funny if

it weren't so scarily insightful

[leesa]

82. Oh Please! Have you ever heard of BC failure?? What planet have

you been living on?

[TrogL]

86. Condoms break and fall off

No method of birth control is 100%

[Nobody]

88. I know! I'll transplant the fetus into YOUR abdomen!

But I do agree with you on one point. We're all responsible for our own bodies, and if mine contains a fetus, it's none of your business what I do with it.

[Skinner]

90. Locking.

This person is a troll.