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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 06:55 PM
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Condi will testify not under oath
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040326/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/rice_hot_seat_1

This is what pisses me off no end - these constant crumbs they throw to the public as if they were doing us a favor! Their attitude toward us is that of a condescending adult keeping his teenage kids under control. I dont care how partisan you are - this is AN INSULT TO MY INTELLIGENCE!!!
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:02 PM
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1. Not under oath = not acceptable,
and I think your right, even Bush supporters, at least those with an ounce of responsibility,ought to realise the seriousness of this issue.

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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:03 PM
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2. Then what good is it? Do they expect her to tell the truth anyway?
If she is going to testify and not under oath and not in public, then how does anyone know she is telling the truth? They don't.

This is just so she can trash Dick Clarke.
Fiske wants Clarke's Classified testimony declassified so they can point to inconsistencies and arrest him for perjury. NO one points fingers at their Dubya and gets away with it.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:14 PM
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6. Can you charge perjury
In an independent commission?
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 10:35 AM
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13. I'm no lawyer, but I don't think its perjury if you aren't under oath. n/t
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:03 PM
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3. I agree
What's the sense in her testifying behind closed doors not under oath AGAIN? How many times are they going to go along with this bu$hit? Damn.These arrogant bastards think they are above everyone else. Have you ever heard a republican in this administration say "I'm sorry" for anything? Not a damn one of them except Richard Clarke.....the ONLY one with integrity and honesty.
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0rion Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:04 PM
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4. Which basically means she's going to lie thru her teeff. nt
nt
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:25 PM
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9. If she tried
to tell the truth, her tongue would snap off at the root and expel from her mouth to lay floundering at her feet like an eel in acid...

yeah, she'll lie.
dp
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0rion Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:31 PM
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11. LMAO! Nice one!
nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:11 PM
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5. She has integrity, only in a warped way
The only reason i can figure out why she won't testify under oath is that if she puts her hand on that Bible, she's going to have to spill the beans on EVERYONE. Maybe, just maybe, she believes in the commandment that says not to bear false witness.
So, in that spirit (in her mind), she will opt to say nothing as the next reasonable alternative.
But going on all the networks to slime Clarke, declassify emails and use selective quotes breaks the spirit of that commandment anyways.
So, I guess I've convinced myself that she doesn't have integrity after all. I've been wrong before.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:21 PM
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7. I have never understood this
A lot of people seem to feel that testifying under oath is somehow "special". Why? When Condo goes on news programs and gives interviews she is lying her face right off. Is it somehow acceptable because she's not under oath? If she was put under oath would she feel compelled to be honest?

For me, anytime I say something about a serious topic I am "under oath". Telling lies in an effort to further some agenda is just wrong, no matter what forum it takes place in. Perhaps it's because I'm an Atheist that I assign no special significance to being under oath, I don't know, but the whole idea seems silly to me.
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 10:51 AM
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19. It's a legal thing
I'm not a lawyer, but my broad understanding is that oaths are legally binding. Breaking it means you can suffer penalties. Under a sworn oath to tell the truth, Condi would have to tell the truth. If she breaks that oath she could face fines or jail time (extremely unlikely but still possible).
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 10:40 AM
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15. Her brand of integrity is loyalty to POTUS.
She has told so many, she must be brilliant to keep them all straight.
If she places her hand on the bible, it may get burned or she could get struck by lightening because she has told so many.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:22 PM
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8. BUT....BUT.....BUT....

I swear I heard a Talking Head remark that the Commission wouldn't let Condi refute the testimony of a sworn witness unless she was also under oath. I remember cheering when I heard it.

Sigh......dashed hopes once again...

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:30 PM
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10. that. is. disgusting.
but hopefully people will see it for what it is.

I think Condi's finished in Washington.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-26-04 07:32 PM
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12. She's afraid she'll go to hell if she breaks a swear.
but lying on Hannity is okay in God's book.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 10:39 AM
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14. We needed "under oath" for blowjobs; we need "under oath" for 3000 deaths
Anything less in simply unacceptable.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 10:46 AM
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16. from dictionary.com
the very first definition:

tes·ti·mo·ny n. pl. tes·ti·mo·nies 1. A declaration by a witness under oath, as that given before a court or deliberative body.

Goddammit, I wish Al Gore would invent the internet so they could look up stuff like this. :eyes:

(emphasis is mine, btw)
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 10:47 AM
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17. Let me get this straight:
Edited on Sat Mar-27-04 10:48 AM by Cat Atomic
Rice wants to testify in order to explain that Clarke is the one that's lying, not her. But she won't promise not to lie while doing it.

Yeah, that makes sense.

:eyes:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 10:50 AM
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18. Bullseye! ... dead, solid perfect!
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