Kerry wants to "blow osama bin laden's brains out"

[tobius]

I knew he changed his position on the death penalty, but ..wow! Hard to say he doesn't believe in retribution.


By Jill Zuckman
Tribune national correspondent
Published March 10, 2004

Though he always has opposed the death penalty, Sen. John Kerry said Tuesday that the Sept. 11 attacks made him realize that he would want to "blow Osama bin Laden's brains out." <snip> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-0403100290mar10,1,6132754.story?coll=chi-homepagepromo451-fea (may require registration)

"That status of war led me to find it impossible to suggest I wouldn't want to blow Osama bin Laden's brains out and treat him as an enemy," he said in an interview with the Tribune while visiting the Chicago area for several campaign stops.

"I walked out of the Capitol and said, `We're at war."' said Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran. "That was my instant reaction as I looked in the air for another airplane that was heading towards us.I think you destroy the enemy. <snip>

Kerry said then that he opposed the death penalty for terrorists because most countries will not extradite suspects to the United States.

At last month's Democratic debate in Los Angeles, the death penalty came up again. This time, Kerry was asked if a person who kills a 5-year-old should live.

"My instinct is to want to strangle that person with my own hands," he said, but he noted that 111 people have been released from Death Row because DNA evidence showed they did not commit the crime for which they were convicted.

[Dr Fate]

1. What? Should Kerry "be nice to him"?

Offer a smile & a handshake? A fresh pot of tea, eh- wot?

"Bin Laden- you and I need to have a long talk..." Would this have been a better soundbyte?

Pretty normal instinct to have towards a dude who killed that many Americans in NYC...

[Andy_Stephenson]

7. I don't remember Osama flying any planes that day...

and as far as planning the event...that is purely conjecture IMHO.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

8. Oh, Brother

:eyes:

:crazy:

:tinfoilhat:

DTH

[Andy_Stephenson]

10. Call it

:eyes:

:crazy:

:tinfoilhat:

I wear the TFH Conspiracy badge with honor. I have been called a lot worse.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

12. I'm Well Aware (eom)

DTH

[rumguy]

32. statements like that discredit your BBV advocacy....nt

[gasperc]

52. think it, don't say it

until we have the power to do a real investigation we are stuck with what like 99% of America believes.

When a fast ball is coming at you don't just stand there! move

[tobius]

13. isn't bin laden already dead, and on ice somewhere? nt

[Dr Fate]

25. I dunno? What does DK, nader or Dean say?

They seem to be the more Liberal voices in this- what do they say about that theory. Or are they too "Corporate Whores" or whatever?

[tobius]

31. what does DK, nader, or Dean say? what does DK, nader, or Dean say?

Is that the extent of your argument?

[Dr Fate]

37. Refusal to answer simple question noted.

The extent of your bizzare arguement is to smear kerry and Kerry only as a psychopath for publically suggesting that Bin Laden was behind 9-11.

I'm just trying to figure out if you think other Liberals are "in on it" like Kerry. Is it just Kerry who suggests this- or are there other "Corporate Whores" like Dean, DK & Nader who also publically suggest that Bin Laden did this?

Answer the question, then we can move on.

[tobius]

41. Sounds like you keep some kind of list.

I'm not sure how to answer your "simple" question. hillary said bush knew, the calls are strong for the 9/11 commision to get to the bottom of the lies, there is a huge rally/protest coming up in SF where there will be thousands advocating that we reveal the truth. There have been many mihop and lihop threads here since that date with very convincing evidence that leads away from bin laden to the mossad or to the highest levels of the Illuminati. My surprise from his comments was based on the graphic nature and rage he displayed with very descriptive language "blowing brains out, wringing necks".

[Dr Fate]

44. Who is the alternative to Kerry on this issue?

Which DEM or independent is saying that Bin Laden is not behind 9-11?

How can i suppport the right guy if you dont tell me who it is?

Who is the alternative to Kerry?

No list, Mr. Paranoid- I was "noting" that you refuse to talk about other candidates positions on this- so that you can just bash Kerry...

[Zinfandel]

2. Going for the "Red States" got to show he's tough on Bush's bullshit

war on terrorism, for the media and the "heartland" sheep. If it "plays in Peoria" then your elected...can't appear to be weak to the sheep...who are afraid to come out of their own house.

Fear is what Rove is pushing this time (he can't make it work on the ecomomy, even though Bush is trying otherwise, to ram it down our collective throats)...sick fucks!

[Dr Fate]

4. I'm no "sheep", but I agree w/ Kerry's basic sentiment...

I dont much care for Bin Laden either- and he probably should die. I dont hate anyone, but I'm no pacifist either.

If I saw him, I would probably punch Bin Laden in the nose instead of giving him a fine "How-do-ya-do, Sir."

Does this make me a a "Sheep" or blood-thirsty psycho-path?

[Zinfandel]

6. Well that's what they tell us..it was bin Laden...I'll keep watching TV to

make sure...as well as watch Bush stonewall on the 9-11 investigations (the complicity) and the CIA's boy, bin Laden should DIE!!!????

Please excuse "Zinfandels" overly blood thirsty and revengeful ways, he believes he's been told ALL the facts by the republican owned corporate media, nor would BushCo would ever LIE!!!

Time to blindly KILL! Our leaders told us so...

remember the old sixties saying?

QUESTION AUTHORITY! (It most certainly has a voice here).

[Dr Fate]

9. I dont watch TV news at all. Period.

So I wont be wearing those shoes, thank you very much.

Sorry, I dont feel sorry for Bin Laden, but I can play these games:

*If* Bin Laden did it, then I wont lose one wink of sleep if he goes down.

Are we really suggesting that Kerry open the question of whether Bin Laden was behind 9-11 or not- as an issue in November?

Does DK or Nader or Dean say this? That Bin Laden dd not cause 9-11?

[tobius]

14. why not, there has been lot's of proof shown that

he could not have been involved.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

16. IMO, People Who Claim OBL Was Not Involved in 9/11

Help give liberals a bad name.

DTH

[Dr Fate]

17. Does DK, Dean or Nader say this?

Or do we just criticise Kerry for his wacky notion that Bin laden was behind this?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

3. It's a Very Human Reaction

Frankly, I'd want to blow OBL's brains out, too.

DTH

[tobius]

23. before or after a trial? nt

[DoveTurnedHawk]

27. Either Works Fine for Me

He's unquestionably a mass murderer, across many incidents, and has in fact admitted (bragged) as much.

If I had the opportunity to do so, I wouldn't hesitate. I'd have done the same with Hitler, too.

DTH

[Muddleoftheroad]

49. Amen

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[SammyWinstonJack]

55. Why bother with a trial?

:eyes: After all bushco* has said Osama Bin Forgotten is behind the 9/11 attacks without ever showing any proof to back that up, and we all know bush* would never lie to push his evil agenda on us and the World. I for one, don't believe anything bushco* tells the American public, because all I've heard from them are LIES! Just once I would like to see some concrete proof and not manufactured lies outta this crooked, lying, unelected bunch of murderers!

[bluestateguy]

5. I favor bin Laden's execution

People might say that I am just speaking of revenge and blood lust, to which my answer is HELL YES!

[tobius]

11. what does this do to the other theories of what happened

Sept. 11th? If Kerry knows it's bin laden, what about the missle proof?

[Dr Fate]

15. What does DK, Dean & Nader say? That Bin Laden did not do it?

Is that what they say?

[Zinfandel]

18. No it's playing into Rove's theory...fear and hate by the American people.

is more powerful, than facts. Who needs facts when people will believe what we tell them...where did you get your information by the way?

Oh yes, and one of the terroist drivers license was supposely found in all the rubble of WTC...yes, that's all the facts I need!!!

Let's KILL!

[Dr Fate]

19. Where does DK, Dean & Nader get THEIR info?

Or are they also saying that Bin Laden was not behind 9-11?

[Zinfandel]

24. I'm not saying either way...but I sure as fuck not going to believe what

the greedy lying Bush administrtion tells us is fact.

[Dr Fate]

26. So are Dean, DK & Nader "corporate whores" or somthing??

Why are they not shouting this from the mountain tops? Are they "in on hiding it" as we seem to be suggesting Kerry is?

[Zinfandel]

29. Simply because we were in shock...we had to poiint a finger...

it's the American way...the corporate media ran with it and so did we...now we have to look at the facts, the bin Laden family flying out when all other planes were grounded, the meetings at the Crawford ranch, Bush sitting on his ass reading a schoolbook, all our fighter jets were grounded, (an hour and twenty minutes) when that would be insane if we were under attack, etc...http://www.911timeline.net/

And people still believe the lies, that's why we let these fucks illegally invade Iraq.

[Dr Fate]

36. Refusal to answer question noted.

So what, you can only bring yourself to bash Kerry?

Come on, tell us- what is Dean, DK & Nader's position on this important, burning issue?

[Zinfandel]

39. Quite the contrary, if you read my first post you would recognize I feel

for what's been tossed upon Kerry...I'm a Democrat (that will NEVER change) and I understand what Kerry must do to appease the "Red States"

Yes, I support DK but, Kerry is who we ALL must go into battle with (and now I support him)...I just understand the bullshit, that he has to do to appear tough on terrorism...He has to! I'm seeing it here in this forum and it surprises the shit out of me...I thought we'd recognize Bush/Rove games and bullshit.

Read my first post again and I think you will see what I was trying to say.

[Dr Fate]

42. Kerry DOES support strengthening the 9-11 commission.

Which is how we will get to the bottom of this.


DK & Dean did not take the position we are saying Kerry should, and neither will Nader.

If DK somehow got the nom, he would not go round saying it either.But like Kerry, DK supports the 9-11 investigation- which is what we need.

[Zinfandel]

43. I agree with you....and....

If Kerry means it and it's not just election time politics, yes, it's to ALL of ours and Kerry's benefit that we push these lying killers to the wall.

[IndianaGreen]

20. How about all the innocent people we murdered looking for OBL & Saddam?

I am curious as to the lack of moral outrage on the part of all of our politicians and many Americans about all of the innocent people we murdered in Afghanistan and Iraq. We have killed several times as many innocents as Osama killed on 9/11.

I think Kerry's alpha male comments are intended to appeal to the angry white males.

Does anyone believe in due process anymore?

Even the Nazi war criminals got a fair trial before we hung them!

[dkf]

21. Nah, tomorrow he'll say that Bin Laden should get a fair trial.

The day after that, he'll say that Bin Laden should be hanged upside-down until he's dead.

Then the next day he'll say that Bin Laden is just a patsy for the Bush Administration's nefarious Iraq oil grab scheme.

The day after that...

[tobius]

28. lol !

[Dr Fate]

38. Which DEMS have the best position on Bin Laden???

Name the DEMS who have a better position on Bin Laden- I want to know what they have said about him too...

[thingfish]

22. So do I.

x

[rumguy]

30. What rational person wouldn't have that inclination?

Would Kerry actually do it if OBL was standing in front of him and Kerry had a gun, and capture was also a possibility, of course not.

But OBL has said ON VIDEO and during interviews that he wants us killed...and has already killed several thousand of us...it's called self-defense a totally natural response to being under attack...

[tobius]

33. Dukakis. nt

[rumguy]

34. If the only option was to shoot him or let him slither away...

I think even the Duke would draw the bead on him...

[DoveTurnedHawk]

35. And Look What Happened to Him

One of the reasons he lost was because he was so out-of-touch with normal emotions and the American public that he just sat there and gave a canned response to an outrageous question.

DTH

[Dr Fate]

45. Yeah- now there is a candidate to emulate. Are you joking?

???

[Doomsayer13]

40. I have no sympathy for Osama Bin Laden

I believe that he was behind the 9-11 attacks, but even if he's not, he still deseves justice for the crimes he's committed. Just like how I think it's a good thing that Saddam will be brought to justice, though I disagree with how Bush conducted this war based on lies and political capital.

This will also help Kerry temper the "liberal-wussy" stereotype that sunk Dukakis.

[ShaneGR]

46. Firing squad would be too easy for Bin Laden

I say we keep him in a 5 ft. by 7 ft. cell for about 30 years.

[texastoast]

56. Oh, no

Just let me have him for a month. Try him and sentence him to me.

[Q]

47. Kerry represents a new generation of politician...

...that doesn't seem to understand that you can't wage WAR against a noun. War can be waged ONLY against a country...not individuals who commit criminal acts. I guess this makes him a lot like Bush*.

- He is also contributing in a negative way to an American culture of violence...where picking up a gun and 'blowing someone's brain out' is always the answer.

- I don't think I could vote for a person like this. He doesn't think with his head...but his emotions. Anger is appropriate in these types of cases...but Kerry and many of the posters on this thread didn't mention anything about a TRIAL or due process. Is this what we have become as a nation? Kill em and let God sort em out?

[AngryAmish]

48. I wish Mary Carey said that

[Q]

50. Acting tough and forsaking justice...

- What the hell is wrong with this country? Here we see Americans with a gleam in their eyes willing to execute someone without a trial or any kind of due process or evidence of guilt. Worse...they're willing to do this on the word of a government that has no qualms about lying to them on nearly every issue of import.

- And don't fall for those who say you must be a 'terrorist lover' if you want to see a FAIR trial before execution. Remember than when one person is denied justice is makes it that much easier for the next and the next.

[ACK]

51. He also was for a international court of justice of Sadam

Take an instant gut reaction the man had and blow it way out of proportion.

If anything loses the election for the Democrats this is it.

8% or so of the liberal base voting for Nader or staying home.

Why?

Because a liberal voting record does not matter.

A Vietname vet that fought against the war when he got home does not matter.

A man with the experience and the background to lead this country does not matter.

Your particular fav candidate did not make through the primary process.

So you pick and choose the information out there in an information glutted world to rationalize the fact you are going to contribute in your own special way to Bush's second term.

No we cannot talk about Kerry's issues and what we think he has wrong or right.

No we just accuse him of being a corporate whore because he wife is an heiress to a fortune. We feed into the limousine liberal thing.

Fine.

We play into personal attacks on our candidate mouthing the same crap from the right wing nutjobs.

Fine.

We don't care.

We just love to lose.

It is fun to talk in whispered tones about secret organizations.

It is fun to rip down a man because he had angry initial reaction to a tragedy.

That is good politics. Eat your own and get up the circular firing squad.

It is what us liberals do best.

[tobius]

53. would he support trying bin laden in an Int'l court

or one in the United States? The angry initial reaction you refer to was 2 and a half yrs later. What about wanting to wring someone's neck, is that healthy?

[WilliamPitt]

54. So do I

[VelmaD]

57. I think he represents how a lot of people think...

they would want to do it...but they wouldn't.

I think the last paragraph is telling. He would want to strangle the person with his bare hands, that's an emotional reaction that many people have on hearing of a heinous crime...but he wouldn't and he opposes the death penalty because he's capable of using his brain to mitigate that gut impulse.