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HydroAddict Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:36 AM
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Help, Gay Statistics...
My reasonably intelligent mother is a devout Catholic. She strongly supports Bush*, I think mostly because of our locality. The economy in the Central Texas area is doing better than usual since the 2000 coup.

She is utterly convinced that male homosexuals are more apt to pedophilia than heterosexual males. I ask her to defend such a statement, and she only comes back with "but it's a scientific fact!" (she knows not to throw any biblical arguments my way, because I'm an outspoken atheist).

The only rebuttal I could offer is that openly homosexual males would take EXTRA special care not to engage in a pedophilic relationship due to existing stigmatics, a watchful neighbor or co-workers, etc.
But, that's not good enough for her (and me neither, to be quite honest).

There has to be some studies out there concerning this matter. Any help would be appreciated. This just might be her "blue pill" issue.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:46 AM
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1. read the last line while i find more stats
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HydroAddict Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:54 AM
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4. Thank you lionesspriyanka.
Excellent non-biased link IMO.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:47 AM
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2. Here's a start
Playing the Pedophilia Card
In 1988, renowned sex researcher Kurt Freund at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto studied two groups of paid volunteers and found that gay men responded no more to male child stimuli than heterosexual men responded to female child stimuli.<6> He later described as a "myth" the notion that gay men are more likely than straight men to be child molesters.<7>

In 1992, alarmed over claims made during a campaign for an anti-gay state constitutional amendment in Colorado, two physicians reviewed every case of suspected child molestation evaluated at Children's Hospital in Denver over a one-year period. Of the 269 cases determined to involve molestation by an adult, only two of the perpetrators could be identified as gay or lesbian. The researchers concluded that the risk of child sexual abuse by an identifiably gay or lesbian person was between zero and 3.1%, and that the risk of such abuse by the heterosexual partner of a relative was over 100 times greater.<8>

...

The source of the right's statistics linking gay men with child molestation is discredited psychologist Paul Cameron, who operates the Family Research Institute in Colorado Springs, Colorado.<12> Cameron is responsible for many of the right's most bizarre allegations about gays and lesbians, such as that gays constitute 44 percent of sexual mass murderers, that two-thirds of gay men "ingest biologically significant amounts of feces," and that being a gay male takes 30 years off one's life.<13>

But Cameron is hardly a credible source. He was dropped from the American Psychological Association back in 1983 for a violation of its Ethical Principles of Psychologists.<14> And he's been censured by four other professional associations and a federal court.<15>
Numbers in brackets refer to bibliographic citations. There's plenty more where that came from.

And there's also a piece of Scripture you can cite: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

--bkl
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HydroAddict Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:15 PM
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5. BKL, this is a lot to digest!
Your are correct, the citations at the bottom are leading to a world of info. Thanks Much!

I'm now in the process of summarizing and writing the email to mom, I got my work cut out for me!
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 11:49 AM
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3. Why does your mother support the Catholic church?
If she's so concerned about child abuse, she should get out of a church that virtually sanctioned abuse for decades.

Also, you might point out to your mother that the vast majority of serial killers are white males, so she might want to stay away from them, too!
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HydroAddict Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:19 PM
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7. LOL Onlooker! Avoid white males or die!
I love it!

As to the Church scandals, she hasn't given a solid defense. She knows some bad things have gone down.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:19 PM
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6. The elephant in the living room...
I think the recent (albeit long overdue) investigations into pedophilia among Catholic priests, of which some 80% of cases involve the abuse of young boys, is misleading in the perception that pedophilia is a predominantly homosexual crime.

What most folks aren't taking into account is that the priesthood in itself, by virtue of its exclusively male heirarchy and community, serves as a magnet for men who reject healthy adult relationships and where women are held as innately inferior to males. I am appalled but not that surprised to find that homosexual pedophiles would be found among their ranks.

Note that I make the distinction *homosexual* pedophiles, because the fact is pedophilia is predominantly heterosexual among the general population. However, heterosexual predators have the most obvious opportunity not available to the all-male fraternity of the priesthood -- their own children, and most commonly their own daughters.

Incest is the heterosexual plague of pedophilia and is rampant compared to homosexual pedophilia, but for some reason there seems to be a conspiracy of silence about it. If you want to see some hard statistics about pedophilia you must also research the stats for incest, for in some cases they are not combined! Why the numbers for incest cases would not be included with those for pedophilia I haven't a clue.

Anyway, I personally know a frightening number of women who have been victims of incest, mostly by fathers but also by uncles, cousins and even brothers. Conversely, I don't personally know any male victims of pedophilia, but I think men are more reluctant to come forward about abuse issues.

I'll see if I can find some pertinent links for you.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:37 PM
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8. Here are a few links...
Edited on Mon Mar-08-04 12:47 PM by theHandpuppet
Hope these help.

http://www.feminist.com/rainn.htm
http://www.allaboutcounseling.com/sexual_abuse.htm
http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=32315
http://www.goodtouchbadtouch.com/abuse_facts.html

The following stats can be found at the last link I provided (http://www.goodtouchbadtouch.com/abuse_facts.html), which is a very informative site. Please note the last line of the stats provided -- one thing I did not point out in my post is that the crime of male-boy pedophilia is most commonly committed by *heterosexual males*.

Sexual Abuse Facts

Approximately 1 out of 3 girls and 1 out of 5 boys will be sexually abused before the age of 18. Persons with develop- mental disabilities are sexually assaulted more frequently by a factor estimated between 4 and 10.

 The average victim of child abuse is between 8 and 11 years old.  Some experts suggest that the most vulnerable child is between the ages of 6 and 10, and living in a two-parent home. Some experts estimate that 5 or 6 children in a typical class- room of thirty have been affected by sexual abuse, regardless  of geographic area, race, or socioeconomic class.

Approximately 90% of offenders are known to the children. In addition, a child is 3 times more likely to be molested by a recognized, trusted adult than by a stranger. 50% of child victims are molested in their own homes or in the offender's home.

The offender who rapes and is incarcerated has had an average of 65 victims during his lifetime. One recent study in Oregon found that more than 80% of known rapists were abused as children.

Perpetrators of sexual abuse are compulsive and repetitive  in their offending behavior. The average pedophile will have an average of 244 victims in his lifetime. 42% of pedophiles begin their sexual abusing behaviors before the age of 12. 75% of all perpetrators begin offending before age 13.

Some experts say that incestuous parents often love their children, but put their sexual intimacy needs before those of  the children. Sometimes this is due to a crisis period in their lives or because oundaries in the family get confused or unclear. The average length of an incestuous relationship is  three years; it is rarely a one-time occurrence.

The National Victim Center reports, "One out of every eight adult women, or at least 12.1 million American women have been the victim of forcible rape. Sixty-one percent of all forcible rapes occurred before victims reached the age of 18; twenty-nine percent occurred when the victim was less than eleven years old; and another 32% occurred between the ages of 11 and 17.  Rape victims often suffer devastating mental health problems, with 31% developing Rape- related Post-traumatic Stress Disorder sometime in their lifetime. Rape-related PTSD dramatically increases the risk for major alcohol and drug abuse problems. They are 13 times more likely to have two or more major alcohol problems, and 26 times more likely to have two or more major drug abuse problems."

The Perpetrator

Offenders are not usually strangers to children.  According to the National Clearinghouse, approximately 90% of offenders are known to the children. In addition, a child is 3 times more likely to be-molested by a recognized, trusted adult than by a stranger. 50% of child victims are molested 
in their own homes or in the offender's home.

   29% of offenders are relatives; 60% are acquaintances; and only 11% are strangers. (Russell)

  Abel calculated the chances of getting caught for child molestation at approximately 3%. Fewer than 1% of offenders are arrested, convicted and imprisoned.

   Giaretto found 80% of incestuous fathers in a sex offender treatment program were sexually abused as children, but did not report the abuse.

   49% of incest offenders who molest girls within the family, molest girls outside the family as well.

  Of those incest offenders who molest boys within the family, 61 % molest females outside the family and 68% molest males outside the family.

  Some experts say that incestuous parents often love their children, but put their sexual/intimacy needs before those of the children. Sometimes this is due 
to a crisis period in their lives or because boundaries in the family get confused or unclear. The average length of an incestuous relationship is three years, it is rarely a one-time occurrence.

   Studies have revealed that 60-80% of adult sex offenders begin offending 
as adolescents. Adolescents perpetrate 50% of sex offenses against boys, and 15-20% of offenses against girls. (Rasmussen, Buton, Chrisopherson, 1992)

   The offender who rapes and is incarcerated has had an average of 65 victims during his lifetime. One recent study in Oregon found that more than 80% of known rapists were abused as children.

  The average pedophile can have an average of 244 - 300+ victims in his lifetime. 42% of pedophiles begin their sexual offending before the age of 12.

   75% of all perpetrators begin offending before age 13.

   An article published 3/18/92 in the Atlanta journal stated that "national research shows that an adolescent sex offender will sexually abuse an average 
of 7 victims, but if left untreated will have about 380 victims in a lifetime."

   Heterosexual males present a greater risk to boys and girls. (Bolding mine)
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HydroAddict Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:43 PM
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10. Thanks HandPuppet
You guys have been so awesome with your replies and links, I finally got off my stingy butt and donated to DU.

Weeeee!...look at my star!
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:45 PM
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11. You're welcome!
I've now edited my post to include some concise, hard facts about child abuse and incest. You can even print them out and simply give them to your mother for her perusal.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 12:38 PM
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9. You're right.
The priesthood is a magnet to individuals who are sexually messed up.

In an effort to supress their homosexuality, some individuals don't mature sexually. Where better to hide from your sexuality than the one place where you're not permitted to have one?

Abuse of children is a cycle regardless of whether it's homosexual or heterosexual. Secrecy does a lot to keep the cycle going.
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HydroAddict Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 01:33 PM
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12. Okay, this one hits the nail on the head!
"In one study, 98% of males who raped boys reported that they were heterosexual. -Sexual Abuse of Boys, Journal of the American Medical Association, December 2, 1998"

I got this from http://www.rainn.org/statistics.html#kids near the bottom of the page.
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