SLUDGE Is Quoting DU Right NOW! 10:27 ET

[UTUSN]

Saying that we evil DUers are hoping ASSCRAT will die. He claims HE would never wish, viciously, wish Janet RENO dead, unlike US.

[salinen]

1. I've not seen one

person here wish him death from this illness.

[UTUSN]

Well, There You Go, So Much for SLUDGE's Cred n/t

[Pale Blue Dot]

6. See this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=402456&mesg_id=402456

It was a despicable thread that in my humble opinion should have been locked and deleted.

[thebigidea]

12. if only John Ashcroft could be locked away. He's a bit more despicable.

Save your rancor for the real enemies, not anonymous internet posters expressing rather understandable irritation at "The General."

Ashcroft wants to deprive us of our rights, shred the Constitution, and piss on the remains.

Its not like he respected us, hmmm?

[liberalhistorian]

14. Exactly, thank you!

That's just the way I feel, and that's the way I feel about Darth Cheney as well.

[Pale Blue Dot]

21. Look, I hate Ashcroft.

I want to see him defeated in November (badly). Wishing him dead is stupid and hypocritical.

First of all, how many of those wishing him dead are anti-death penalty?

Second of all, if a Republican said this about a Democrat, we would be up in arms. Rightfully so.

Sometimes, wrong is wrong no matter which party you belong to. It deeply saddens me to see members of the liberal community wishing for the death of another human being, no matter WHO that human being is.

[thebigidea]

22. Untrue.

"Second of all, if a Republican said this about a Democrat, we would be up in arms. Rightfully so."

That is SUCH nonsense. At most we'd have a thread here pointing it out and laughing at it, but it would get ABSOLUTELY NO MEDIA ATTENTION - because, geewhiz... internet cranks are NOT NEWS. This is just RW propaganda being peddled by Drudge, not actual news.

Yes, if it were a NAME Republican, sure - maybe a bit of a stir. But an anonymous web posting? You've got to be kidding me.

[Pale Blue Dot]

25. SO do you think that it is OK to wish our enemies dead? nt

[thebigidea]

27. what does my seal of approval have to do with it?

What does any one's "wish" have to do with it? He's sick and not one damn word a DUer says will make a difference.

And you have to admit, a Freeper post wishing Kerry dead or somesuch would get no airplay whatsoever. They have a well-oiled propaganda machine that will blow up any incident out of proportion - why work yourself up over what THEY think?

[TankLV]

80. Remember Anne Coulter?

Jerry Fallwell?

Pat Robertson?

They all wish death to democrats, etc., yet not a single peep from the repukes.

In fact, they are sought-after guests for "news" shows.

They mean these repuke idiots who are constantly given a pass?

Oh, I forgot, they're all kidding. They're such kidders. Really.

[foreigncorrespondent]

79. I agree with you Finnfan.

The moment any threads begin calling for the death fo someone, those threads should be locked and removed completely. Are we turning into the right we claim to hate so much by spewing the same shit they do or what?

[Ksec]

33. This is the part where we are supposed to ignore or they

make us cautious to respond. We then get weak and ineffective and go back to our old ways of being the nice party that doesnt fight back.

Fk Drudge. Who cares what that weirdo thinks.

[Pale Blue Dot]

2. Those who wished Ashcroft dead were wrong to do so.

And this is only one of the many reasons.

[kiahzero]

3. That's because a certain poster said this:

"All I can say is... I hope he dies. If there is a just and loving God out there Ashcroft will die. He deserves nothing less than death for defiling our Constitution and Bill of Rights."

I don't wish death on him... I hope he'll see the light, and realize what a fool he's been, but I don't see that happening.

[maggrwaggr]

48. oh let's not be hypocritical

the fear of being quoted outside of DU is keeping people from saying what they really want to say.

Give me one reason why Ashcroft deserves to live.

[thebigidea]

56. One reason? Well, he's a hell of a singer. Real touching songwriter.

He should retire to a small fortified compound to his Crisco, dementia, and despair.

[librechik]

77. everybody dies, even ashcroft. What difference does a post make

on DU or anywhere?

Wish I had a dollar for every time I saw a freeper wish for Hillary's death. But I guess that is ok.

[Name removed]

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[Beloved Citizen]

5. Fudge

If lying was a hanging crime, Matt Fudge'd have a neck as long as the Nile.

[AP]

7. Remember that RW'er who wished Chelsea would die back in 2001?

[fearnobush]

8. Even we wish no death on Asscrat,

But they don't seem to mind killing 550 solders and countless civs in Iraq, Haiti etc. Fuck Sludge, I puke on him

[everythingsxen]

9. I don't hope he dies...

I want him to live long enough to stand trial.

As for Drudge, I do not wish him dead either. I do however wish him a scorching case of herpes and maybe even a really bad case of jock-itch.

[rfranklin]

16. I think he already suffers from those ailments...

as well as pre-menstrual cramps and elephantiasis of the rectum.

[UTUSN]

28. Bwahhhhhahahahahahah

SLUDGE is now role-playing "morality" spewing against the government about HIS "freedom of speech".

[thebigidea]

10. what a bore... YAWN

and all those pious posters who are about to post agreeing with Drudge, try and think for a minute: its a setup. Who the fuck cares what Matt Drudge thinks?

[Pale Blue Dot]

15. I could give two fucks what Drudge thinks.

But many of the people who are less informed and might still be persuaded to vote our way in November MIGHT. And this kind of crap sentiment, if it gets out there, could damage the credibility of this website and the Democratic cause.

If a Republican uttered this about a Democrat, would we, and haven't we, been outraged?

I hate Asscroft intensely, but wishing him dead on a public forum is the height of stupidity.

[thebigidea]

20. hmmm

"If a Republican uttered this about a Democrat, would we, and haven't we, been outraged?"

Please tell me what nationally syndicated radio shows, newspapers, and tv talk shows would give air time to post wishing Hillary Clinton dead on Free Republic.

Oh, gee - that's right... there aren't any!

Don't be a sucker, don't give him the time of day.

[Pale Blue Dot]

24. This has NOT A FUCKING THING to do with Drudge.

I hated that thread, and alerted it, and posted in ATA about it. It was a stupid, despicable thread. The kind of thing Asscroft himself would think. Wishing your enemy dead is a REPUBLICAN way of thinking. THAT'S why I am so upset and disappointed about this.

[thebigidea]

26. ridiculous!

well, this thread has rather a lot to do with Drudge, yeah.

You may consider that thread in poor taste, but shit - is it news? Of course not.

And wishing your enemies dead is hardly a Republican-only practice.

[teach1st]

32. Wishing enemies dead is not Republican or Democratic

And wishing your enemies dead is hardly a Republican-only practice
You're correct. But it does tend to indicate a rather low moral stance.

[thebigidea]

35. does that mean the Pay-per-view Osama execution is off, then?

Welcome to the Empire of Low Morals...

[TheFarseer]

11. what happened to that guy?

I used to think he was fairly reasonable. Now's he's almost as bad as Sean Hannity. I think he just wants to bang Anne Coulter and to seduce her he has to prove how much of a crazy right wing freak he is.

[thebigidea]

13. insert coy comment here, insert Brock cite here

[UTUSN]

18. Snicker n/t

[Mari333]

17. Heres a note to Drudge : Kiss My Ass

You lying piece of shit. No one cares what you think or what you say when you stumble out of the leather bars and bathhouses in the dark of night, or what you put on your yellowjournalism website. Go enlist and go to the front lines in Iraq , and take your chickenhawk friends with you...you can replace my kid who is over there you disease ridden one celled bastard. Kiss off, and on a final note John Ashcroft can kiss my ass too.

[5thGenDemocrat]

59. Hooah!!

Good for you, mari. I couldn't say it better myself.
John
Had a nephew in Kuwait with the USAF when all this started (he's home at Dover AFB now, thanks).
I don't wish Asscrust dead, exactly -- I'd be happy if he suffers through a week of excruciating bowel pain, though. After that, he can recover for all I care.

[enough]

19. DU is not a club; it is not a political party; it is not a religion.

DU is a forum in which many different people express different opinions on all kinds of subjects. I am not responsible for what other people say on DU, and others here are not responsible for what I say. There is no doctrine.

[UTUSN]

23. Note to "Journalist" SLUDGE

Investigate:

1) October Surprise, 1980.

2) Iran-Contra.

3) Iraqgate.

Cummonnnnn. You can do it.

[tobius]

29. It's a repulsive thing to do. Here is another one from yesterday-

"...how ironic it is that Reagan has alzheimers when he is the one that closed the hospitals for the mentally ..Ashcroft has stones in his pancreas which are probably made from all the bile and corruption in his words and actions...And, Cheney has the heart problems because he is heartless....Dubya (and now his daughters - and his niece) had the problems with drugs and alcohol because Bush Sr. brought the drugs into east Los Angeles. I'm just waiting to see how Bush Sr. will get his.... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1203311

[thebigidea]

30. so pointing out irony is now a deeply horrible thing?

Save a little shock for the villains, people.

[UTUSN]

31. The easiest thing of all is to deceive one's self; for what a man wishes

he generally believes to be true.

[NNN0LHI]

34. He could be reading shit that he posted here as far as we know?

How would we know? No one can prove he has not posted here? Think about it.

Don

[thebigidea]

38. great way to make up a news story, huh?

And like I said a million other times on this thread, it would NEVER happen the other way around. No Freep post will ever get read breathlessly by say, Aaron Brown, accompanied by a stern lecture on morals.

[UTUSN]

36. & Then There's SLUDGE's Bumper Music

Something suggestive. Something "hinting". Something noire. Sorta like brunch on Sundays.

[teach1st]

37. Some arguments here remind me of my fitth graders...

But they did it first.

Anonymous or not anonymous, regardless of political persuasion, publically wishing ones political enemies dead is in bad taste. This has nothing to do with Ashcroft or Drudge. It has to do with being a civilized human.

[UTUSN]

40. Wingnuts Wish All Kinds of Crap, & the Difference Is

that they have NO bleeding heart.

[thebigidea]

42. it has EVERYTHING to do with Ashcroft and Drudge

take away Ashcroft, there are no comments.

take away Drudge, there is no propaganda.

I'm not so much defending the comments as I am attacking the idiotic use of them for nakedly transparent political purposes. As if every post here were stamped by the DNC!

That's the message they're trying to send - why are people HELPING them deliver it?

[teach1st]

45. I don't care what Drudge says...

..or I would never post in the lounge. He doesn't change many minds with that stuff.

I do care that you were appearing to defend those who wish death upon others, a distinctly uncivilized way of expressing oneself. I think that kind of thinking is one of the problems (and/or a symptom of problems) in our society.

[thebigidea]

47. as opposed to the distinctly civilized way of calling DUers 5th graders?

You hurt and offended me with that comment, as I am in fact - at the very least, a 6th grader.

Crude, self-righteous insults like yours are the reason why society has the problems that it does.

See, we can all play the shocked-and-offended game. And dontcha see how stupid it is?

[teach1st]

53. Insults are not death wishes..

Some of the arguments here are using exactly the same as my fifth graders use. I didn't call anybody a fifth grader.

[thebigidea]

55. I am offended because I say so and I think people should be civil

Now I know it doesn't happen, but I think it should.

[teach1st]

61. Exactly

I'm glad we agree. Later!

[NNN0LHI]

44. It has everything to do with being on an anonymous Internet chat board

We don't know who is posting here. How many ditto heads do you think have been banned from this site for posting crap to make us look bad in the last 3 and 1/2 years here? Take a guess? And watch that reminds you of fifth graders crap too teach.

Don

[teach1st]

51. Not what I was talking about..

I should have been more clear - being anonymous does not excuse civility. Or at least it shouldn't. I've always felt that if you can't say it to someone's face, it shouldn't be said online. Although, come to think of it, I'm sure there are some here that could wish Ashcroft death to his face.

And watch that reminds you of fifth graders crap too teach.

Why? It's exactly the way my fifth graders argue. My tactics are OK because the other side uses them too.

[thebigidea]

52. There's a difference between what you'd like and what exists

In practice, being anonymous on the internet seems to excuse the hell out of civility.

How you can deny that is beyond me.

[teach1st]

57. I didn't deny it

I'm trying to offer a point of view. I'm trying to show that the practice isn't civil.

Boorish behavior exists too, in practice. I don't condone it.

[union_maid]

39. Is that all he's quoting?

I've been content to leave Ashcroft's fate up to his creator and have been neutral on the death issue. I have, however speculated that he's suffering from a condition that often comes from many years of alcohol abuse. Others have speculated as well. Did Drudge mention that?

[kodi]

41. but, but if he dies, he goes to the Lord & who would not wish that?

if he needs some help there are millions who will lend him a hand.

[Catherine Vincent]

43. Sludge should just give it up.

"Wishing someone dead" happens from both sides, unfortunately. It happens here (not as much) but it also happens on freakrepublic and other conservative message boards. Sludge quoting DU is really silly when he knows it happens on both sides and he's a damn liar proclaiming it doesn't. In fact, there are still conservatives that wish Bill and Hillary would die. I hate it when people on the net say such things but what are we to do? I don't care much for Ashcroft, Bush*, Cheney, Rove or any right winger but I would never wish that on them or even for them to suffer because I wouldn't want someone wishing that on me or my loved ones.

[Cat Atomic]

46. Uhh... does Drudge REALLY want to

start holding up anonymous message board posters as examples of the norm? I could send him a few threads from Free Republic that praise "fag bashing", racism, murder, etc.

Free Republic makes DU look like Romper Room.

[thebigidea]

50. but gee whiz, Cat - it has NOTHING to do with anonymous postings!

We're all very very bad, and personally - I'm very bad at the express written command of the Chairman of the DNC, who has instructed me to pray ferverently for the death of John Ashcroft.

[Cat Atomic]

60. Oh, I'm a horrible horrible person, too.

I really don't see why anyone gives half a shit what these right wing morons say. I'm not going to censor myself so I don't anger Matt Fucking Drudge.

And you can quote me on that, Matt!

[UTUSN]

49. What I Wonder Is, Where Does He Get Those "Macho" Callers

the ones who say (deep voice), "Hi, Matt."

[Ladyhawk]

54. Wishing someone dead doesn't make it so.

I don't believe in karma, but my initial response was that Ashcroft deserved whatever came his way. I don't think I exactly wished him dead. I think a lot of what I felt and a lot of what was said on DU owed itself to anger, not actually wishing for someone's death. Of course, I could be wrong.

Also, it might be noted that you can't kill somebody by wishing him dead. In various moments throughout my life I've briefly "wished someone dead." Probably not for real, though. It was more of a flash of anger that died down fairly rapidly. I'm not a violent person. I haven't struck anyone since Junior High.

If wishing someone dead actually caused it to happen, I'd certainly do my best to stop these flashes of anger.

[thebigidea]

58. yeah, but its fun to lecture people about

Helps me feel superior, you know. Behold thebigidea, grand arbiter of tact, morals, manners, and civility!

If you cross me, lo - I shall be offended.

[salinen]

62. It was me!

I stuck a strait pin up my voodoo Ashcroft doll.

[dweller]

65. NO NO NO it was me

i was thinking you would do that...

bad dog!
:eyes:
dp

[UTUSN]

66. ******I********* Am Spartacus n/t

[number6]

63. Drudge, message to U

suck an egg and die, you rat pis brain, oh sorry
......... you lie-n rat pis brain.

[Jim Warren]

64. Feels a bit like spring tonight

Think I'm hearing the frogs starting to sing:

"croak, croak"

[UTUSN]

67. SLUDGE Is Picking on Teresa KERRY---Better Watch OUT!

He claims Teresa said, "(SLUDGE) 'uses fudge' ". Whatever THAT means. GO, Teresa!!!!!!!!!

[The Blue Knight]

68. Why hasn't someone just beat the living shit out of Drudge yet?

[Name removed]

69. Deleted message

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[BradCKY]

70. Unfortunately

When I first saw that this happened to Ashcroft I figured that a thread such as this would be started on the DU. Its a shame that a lot of us who don't believe in kicking a person when they are down, would do this.

[thebigidea]

71. if only you warned us in time, all of this could've been avoided!

Why, if only you warned us - why, then Drudge would've been very PRO-DU and would've praised our good manners.

He would've dedicated an hour to sing our praises!

[Stephanie]

72. I believe in fighting fascism with karmic justice

I don't know what you believe in.

Is that DLC button some kind of disguise?

[BradCKY]

74. No its not a disguise

I don't like a lot of what the DLC does like their pandering to corporations however I do agree with many of their values. I am just a moderate democrat, this board is supposed to be open to all democrats or those on the left.

Well I don't believe in taking pleasure in people's pain, whether its a convicted murderer frying in the electric chair, or John Ashcroft getting gallstones.

[UTUSN]

75. Who's Down? And Who Does ALL the Kicking? n/t

[BradCKY]

76. So

Let me see what you mean by that, since they do it, that makes it right for us to do it.

[UTUSN]

78. Works for Me, After All These Years of Getting My TEETH Kicked n/t

[Ksec]

73. Drudge has a obsession with breaking news

If he cant get it he'll make it up . His site is a joke. Anyone who takes that clown seriously is making a big mistake. How many times has he been caught feeding the mobs with misinfo? So when did we lower our journalistic standards?