Don't the Democrats have some 9-11 imagery they can use

[Tony_FLADEM]

against Bush? What about that video of * reading to little kids on
9-11?

[stepnw1f]

1. I thought about that.

[Demonaut]

29. well, didnt Bill Clinton show up at the WTC before shrub? was it one or

two days before shrub came out of hiding??

[Stephanie]

33. Yes - it happened on Tuesday, I think Clinton was there on Weds

bush didn't show up until FRIDAY.

[daveskilt]

2. or maybe just that it happened at all on his watch

[eleny]

3. what comes to mind is the image of *

the one where he's told what happened and he's sitting there in that classroom with the expression of a deer staring blankly into headlights.

but i just don't like using 9/11 images at all, really.

[BlueEyedSon]

4. How about GWB sitting in a classroom, listening to a goat story

while thousands of Americans burned to death?
THEN dissappearing for the whole day....

[burmartesq]

6. C'mon

c'mon, I'm not going to give the pres any crap about disappearing for the whole day. The man was the most important man in the world. In a situation where you're not sure what's going on, the last thing america needed was to have it's president killed too.

Sometimes people on this board just really can't view things objectively.

[prodigal_green]

8. Kennedy refused to leave

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, his advisors wanted him out of there. He refused to leave--he didn't think it would set a very good example.

[StopTheMorans]

9. uhhh yeah, i hear ya there

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... so you're giving the guy a free pass at a time when America needs leadership THE MOST?!?!??!!?! that's just absurd; he was safe LONG before he came out of hiding and gave that damn speech. the man is a coward.

[Stephanie]

34. Bush is a Coward and a Fraud

SHAME on George Bush, a Coward who Betrayed his Oath to Protect & Defend

[LeahMira]

38. Too bad the victims had nowhere to hide.

he was safe LONG before he came out of hiding and gave that damn speech. the man is a coward.

A coward with a bloated sense of his own importance. The country would have gone on doing what needed to be done without his "leadership"... and in fact, that's just what happened.

One man, even the pResident, is just not more important than the people who did die.

[skypilot]

11. "...not sure what's going on.."

You know that's precisely the reason some of us give him shit about sitting in that classroom. After he found out about the SECOND WTC crash for all he knew a plane (or a car bomb or truck bomb) could have come crashing into that school with all those children, and yet there he sat.

[TNOE]

13. Kind of Like What Bill Maher Said:

America would have stood behind a ham sandwich that day. You can't rewrite history when there is news reports, streaming video, pictures etc - showing that BUSH DID NOTHING BUT GOT HIMSELF OUT OF HARM'S WAY - AFTER HE CONTINUED READING TO 2ND GRADERS FOR 25 MINUTES. The image of people jumping from the World Trade Towers - and him sitting there doing NOTHING would be accurate unfortunately.

Maybe someone reading off the list of the NUMEROUS warnings Bush received prior to 9/11 - and then show him shoveling cow manuer on his ranch in Crawford for the whole entire month before 9/11.

[BlueEyedSon]

17. Seems like an un-defended un-hardened elementary school building

would be a fairly unsafe place for the president. IIRC, it was public knowlege where he was going to be that morning.

Your comment would make more sense if he had been hustled out of there by the Secret Service immediately. BTW, there is a famous video of Bush later claiming he was in fact rushed out of the building. We know that's not true, he sat there while the USA was under attack for another 20-30 minutes.

[bunk76]

28. Howz...

the kool-ade? The "most important man in the world" disappears and you have no problem with that,and the reason is because he did not want
too leave and frighten a group of school children? I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn,would you be interested?




:evilgrin:

[DrWeird]

35. "that's one bad pilot"

-G. W. Bush, September 11th, 2001. Upon viewing news footage that a plane had crashed into the WTC.

View that objectively.

[central scrutinizer]

36. then why did they cook up the lie

about Air Force One being a target and that was why they had to hide in a bunker in Nebraska. It was later admitted to be a total lie. There is an article in the current Atlantic Monthly titled Armageddon Plan that might shed some light on this and Cheney's "undiclosed location". The article is not available on line (for free).

[Atman]

37. The man read a kids book for twenty minutes

while his country was under attack! For christ's sake, you're almost TOO liberal. Considering it was a published event, don't you think he would have been safer getting the hell out of the place before he was targeted next? Especially since there was a close call the prior evening with unknown Arab men trying to gain access to his hotel?

Objective? I know I am being objective...even I didn't sit for twenty minutes reading a fucking kids book, I bolted right for a teevee and didn't step away from it for two days. Bush didn't even look up and say "Wah-wah-wahhhh????" He read "The Pet Goat."

[rocktivity]

5. Remember this oldie but goodie?

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

:headbang:
rocknation

[BlueEyedSon]

21. Required viewing *kick*

[prodigal_green]

7. As a New Yorker

I've got imagery that will haunt me my entire life. As will the rest of the 85% of New Yorkers who are registered Democrats.

How about his abandoning the hunt for bin Laden and Al Qaeda to pull us down into the Iraq quagmire. How about Fire Fighters and Police Officers complaining about vital funds being cut? How about folks suffering lung ailments because of falsified ecological reports?

[info being]

25. I don't think Kerry can do any of that

He's complicit.

[Nashyra]

10. That is exactly what they need to use

All they have to do is use the clock on the wall with the time and show the idiot reading the goat story, or read a time frame in very respectful tones. Then they need to hammer home the fact that he is evading the 9-11 panel, that he fought against the Homeland security act until he could do away with workers rights, they have to be able to get in the quote about "getting out of harms way". They could add that he lied about WMDs what else did he lie about on that day, the quote about "one bad pilot" They could start it out with the fact that they will not show images of 9-11 because not one American could ever forget but we will show you images that the press "forgot" to show you about leadership, the goat, the harms way, the bad pilot quip, and then ask the voters if that is real "leadership"

[skypilot]

14. "One terrible pilot."

And don't forget that when he made the "one terrible pilot" comment he also said that he "didn't have time to think about it". Supposedly, because he was "whisked off" (his words again) to the oh-so-important photo-op with the second graders.

[kentuck]

12. They could show the WTC "before Bush" and "after Bush"...

with the buildings standing tall in the morning sun. Then the rubble left after the attacks....Then the $64,000 question: "Are we really safer now?

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[kentuck]

22. Is there another word for what Bush is using??

Or do I detect that someone thinks only Democrats would resort to "imagery"?

[onehandle]

16. The flightsuit video....

Blatant proof of what a fraud and opportunist he is.

It will transfer thought to Bush's 9/11 misuse easily.

[ProfessorGAC]

18. The Exact Same Footage Could Be Used!

Show the same footage, and remind the viewers on whose watch this occurred and that we still don't have Osama. Gotta do that before they pull him out of his cell and parade him around for the triumphant catpure photo-op.
The Professor

[pnorman]

19. Here's one I'd like to see on TV at frequent intervals:

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

pnorman
STAND UP, KEEP FIGHTING http://shows.implex.tv/wellstone

On edit: I saw where "Rocknation" had scooped me. Sorry.

[Vogon_Glory]

20. Airport Security

Show a picture of one of the hijacked September 11th airliners hitting the WTC. Then show visuals of airport screenin and mention the proposals for beefing up airline security that were sandbagged first by the Republican-controlled Congress, then by George UU Bush until AFTER thousands have died.

Then the narrator should bring up the themes of responsibility and accountability.

[SoCalDem]

23. I would use pictures of the dirty dusty firemen

and use this caption:

George Bush would like nothing more than to destroy the unions that these guys count on for decent wages and health care..

They risked their lives and lost many of their lives responding to an event that Bush failed to protect us from

[qanda]

24. How about footage from the month-long vacation

Bush* took right before this happened? They could use pictures of him at the pig farm while the terrorists planned. How about this for a slogan: "Bush* played while the terrorists planned"

[Ksec]

26. Clinton was there before bush. Im sure theres some pics

[LeahMira]

40. Yes, but...

Clinton was there before bush.

Very true. But I don't think September 11 should be the defining moment in our recent history. I guess I think that for a lot of the same reasons as I don't think that the Holocaust should be the defining era in modern Jewish history.

I think the real story is the way Americans helped one another. If anything, the administration stood in the way of this, passing the Patriot Act and trying to get Americans to report suspicious activity and so on... trying to turn us against one another, and trying to scare us. We were shaken after September 11, but we weren't scared. We were too busy to be scared... holding memorial ceremonies to comfort those who has lost a friend or family member, giving blood, making donations, and some people who had needed skills even going to New York City to volunteer in emergency rooms and so on.

Of course, then we all found out that Bush's buddies were scamming our pension funds, so even though our economy took a hit, maybe we could have recovered a little better if it hadn't been for that gang of thieves.

So, all in all, Bush was in the way all around. That is what needs to be brought out... that Americans are trying to help one another and Bush is getting in the way. He has been getting in the way since before September 11, and after September 11 when we wanted to work together to heal and recover, he kept standing in the way.

[John BigBootay]

27. "Goat Story" ???

We're going to have to work a bit harder than "reading a goat story" to defeat Bush. He was reading a goat story for 20-30 minutes after there was word of the planes hitting the tower. Okay... so...? You say this makes him look like a coward or a guy who can't fight?

All he has to do is counter with, "I have been continuously and doggedly bringing the fight to the terrorists since 9/11. I have defeated the Taliban, physically and financially disrupted Al Qaeda, rendered Iraq and Saddam Hussein impotent, caused Libya to renounce it's WMD goals, have created a new possibility for peace and democracy in Iran and have restored our might and prowess throughout the world so that pariah nations like North Korea are more willing to negotiate with us than face possible future consequences."

He was reading a goat story ain't cutting it guys, sorry.

The only way to defeat Bush is to repeat the claim over and over that his agressive policies are making the world more dangerous-- not more safe.

[skypilot]

39. Making the world more dangerous--not more safe.

That HAS been said again and again. Bush's behavior on 9/11-including his continuing to read a children's book after hearing about the second attack-is not something that should be ignored. Throw EVERYTHING into the mix. One of the reasons that his behavior at Booker Elementary School on 9/11 is brought up again and again is because it is full of damning evidence against Bush. Claiming that he thought the first WTC crash was an accident when he'd been briefed a mere month earlier about the possibility of an imminent attack is itself highly suspicious. No, simply alluding to "a goat story" won't cut it but we should still analyze everything he did and didn't do as well as everything he said and didn't say that morning.

[John BigBootay]

44. Fine- throw it into the mix and see what sticks--

just be ready for Kerry or the ad to look a little foolish in light of the counter that will inevitably come.

[skypilot]

45. Kerry or the ad may or may not look foolish.

It depends on how it is handled. I'm not suggesting that anyone rush in like fools and I'm not suggesting that anyone make the "goat story" the centerpiece of our campaign against Bush, I'm just saying that Bush has given us lots of ammo over the last three years and we should not be afraid to use it against him. Of course a "counter" will eventually come and if the Dems play their cards right they'll be ready for it.

[Joanne98]

30. With Bush saying, "I hit the trifecta"

There is a recording of that isn't there. Maybe moveon.org will do it.

[ex_jew]

31. Split screen ! Split screen !

On the left show planes flying into the WTC and people jumping to their death. On the right, show GW reading the book. This would just kill people to watch this!

[Stephanie]

32. News anchors saying "no one knows where the President is"

Lots of footage - news anchors wondering where the president is, "oh, he's in Nebraska, oh, now he's in the bunker." Meanwhile back in NY, Giuliani (sorry, but he's the guy who did it) is stepping up to the microphone every hour from downtown Manhattan.

[AJ BENDER]

41. Leave it Be !

The backlash that Bush is getting for his campaign commercial imagery is because people know that THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD NOT BE POLITICIZED FOR GAIN. Hopefully the Dems won't be so stupid as to repeat this blunder.


However it's too bad we don't have images of

George HW Bush having breakfast with Osama's brother when the planes hit the towers

or

The FBI escorting members of the Saudi Royal family & Bin Laden clan out of the country on 9-11-01( as per his order)

[Atman]

43. Actually, I DO have video of Bin Laden escort!

From the BBC program Newnight, or something like that. It has been a long time since I pulled it out, so it will take some digging. But I have to go out for an hour or two. I'll post it when I get back, if and when I find it.

[nedlogg]

42. Bush and the Sauids

How about some footage of Bush sucking up the Saudi royal family members at his Texas ranch?

[lcooksey]

46. How about his first tv appearance that day?

I've never seen anyone look so scared in my life. Watching him stumble thru his speech was about as far from reassuring as you could get. Not exactly "war president" material.