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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 06:51 PM
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The Story of John Titor, Time Traveler
I'd read pieces of this story here and there over the past couple of years and never paid it much mind . . . until I recently ran across the following website, which kind of brings all of these threads together . . . what's fascinating is some of this guy's predictions, including the beginnings of a kind of civil war in the US beginning this year or next, and the onset of Mad Cow Disease as a major health problem . . . my innate skepticism keeps me from believing the whole package, but it sure does make for some fascinating reading . . .

John Titor's Story
Was he a brilliant fraud, or an ordinary soldier from 2036?

http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/

Someone using the assumed name of John Titor and claiming to be a soldier on a mission from 2036 presented a considerable amount of information on the Web beginning around November 2000 about his mission and time travel machine, his perspective on our society, how our society is going wrong, and how society as we know it will end in a very short but massive global nuclear war in 2015. He's gone now, back to 2036 he said he was going in his last posting on March 24, 2001, and the threads he left across the Web in his five months with us have been slowly evaporating. As time passes and interest in Titor's story grows, new "Titor" material and imposters emerge, and self-styled debunkers may go so far as to claim the story's already been proven a hoax (although so far there's never been any such actual proof offered). There are some good reasons to not believe everything you read, and good reasons to keep your mind open about Mr. Titor's story are more and more often appearing in the daily news. Russia is sabre-rattling again in response to perceived American aggressions; tens of thousands of nuclear weapons still stand ready to launch on warning; police powers, illegal detentions, and even concentration camps are growing like a cancer on the Constitution; the mad cow disease epidemic he predicted has already begun rearing its ugly head in America. Mr. Titor's message sounds more prophetic every day.

Sure, sure, a time traveler. Why should anyone believe such a cockamamie story? The answer is you shouldn't, at least not yet. Keep a healthy skepticism. But keep an open mind too because there is a strong thread of internal consistency throughout Mr. Titor's story, there is supporting evidence in the form of some fairly detailed photographic documentation and good physical theory about his time travel machine, and most important of all Mr. Titor made a very specific prediction about the near future that should soon prove him to be either a fraud or not: America will soon be engaged in civil war with itself; a civil war that we'll see the beginnings of during 2004 and 2005, escalating until it is indisputable by 2008 ("a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over") and "will consume everyone in the US by 2012" (no vague Nostradamus ramblings or Bible-baloney in this stark prediction). Such a scenario seems sufficiently preposterous at the time of this writing (begun May 2003) that if it does come true, a reasonable person ought to consider that Mr. Titor was probably a genuine time traveler, and that the rest of his story is probably true too.

One purpose of this website is therefore to document Mr. Titor's prediction about civil war in America well in advance (beginning in May 2003) so that after 2004 or 2005 if there actually have been a series of armed conflicts between the U.S. government and its citizens, escalating as Mr. Titor described ("a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse"), there won't be any question for new visitors or even previous visitors with less than perfect memories that this specific prediction was not fabricated after the fact. Formally copyrighted evidence has been created and presented here before 2004 as proof of that prediction. In the light of that evidence nobody can legitimately claim it was all made up afterward; the sole purpose of copyrighting that document was to nip that potential distraction in the bud. We don't know yet if Mr. Titor was a fraud or telling the truth, but we ought to be pretty sure one way or the other sometime in 2005 and have absolute certainty by 2008 at the very latest. If it turns out he was telling the truth, we'll know to get ready for 2015. That would give us a few more years of regular meals and clean sheets and showers and medical care and clean air and water to enjoy, before we blast all those things away in a day of " megadeath for the kiddies " as Dr. M. Goldman has so eloquently put it. Billions of people will die rather horrible deaths if John Titor was telling us the truth, and any of us could be among them.

Another purpose of this website is to capture, analyze, and organize the information about John Titor still available, in one place for ease of reference. If he's a fraud this will have been a waste of time, but if he proves to be real then the knowledge he left may save many lives if people heed his warnings and plan appropriately (get well away from cities and from other nuclear targets by 2015, and be prepared). Escaping initial blast and fire effects would give you a fighting chance to live through the subsequent radioactive fallout, famines, and disease epidemics at least, and there is just the barest outside chance that by having a foreknowledge of events, we could change our own future and avoid a catastrophic nuclear end to today's civilization. By 2036 he says, society and a new government have begun to recover in America, but the destruction and residual radiation are still having major detrimental effects. We are regarded as the generation "that had it all, but threw it away". Although Mr. Titor said we had the power to change our future because the multi-worlds theory is true, he also said we probably won't.

- much, much more . . .

http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 07:40 PM
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1. Weird.
Somehow I don't think he's a time traveller. Didn't he see "Back to the Future"? You can't let anyone know you're a time traveller! That's messed up! Besides, if there really was time travel in the future, somebody would already have come back to show off the machine on CNN or something. Seriously, this sounds bizarre. Besides, I didn't see a flux capacitor on those plans.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 07:49 PM
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2. flux capacitor?
everyone knows you only need a blue british phone booth to travel through time.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 07:56 PM
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3. but the advantage of the tardis
it that it allows you to travel through time and space. This is useful, because otherwise your planet has a tendency to get away from you, leaving you in an embarrassing interstellar vacuum. So far, I can't see that anyone raised this the first time around.

I'm also slightly concerned by the picture of 'a laser beam being bent by the gravitional force of the black holes', without eerything else also getting ripped apart by the huge forces.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:03 PM
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7. That's a good point.
I hadn't thought about the laser thing either. The only thing that came to my mind when I saw that photo was ways they could have made the laser beam appear to bend. You're right though. If whatever it supposedly was could bend a laser it sure as hell would have ripped everything else apart.

The time and space thing is clever, so perhaps the person who came up with this knows about physics, so maybe its a former political science professor and a former Physics professor with nothing to do.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:00 PM
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4. ACK!
I was just about to post about this site to the other thread that was floating around here, which I read a few minutes ago. I had never before heard of John Titor.

I don't know what to think about this.

Laugh it away and grab another beer, or begin to stock up on canned goods and other things, and start to search for a nice, obscure cave somewhere...

I have yet to have someone wanting to sell me anything in connection with this. That alone makes me wonder.

Right now I'm looking at the predictions section.

Shamelessly, I invite anyone who hasn't to express your views in a somewhat related thread I began last night:
http://www.democraticunderground.com//discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1186804

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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:01 PM
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5. How did
How did he relate to this,
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/wwn/20030319/104808600007.html
'TIME-TRAVELER' BUSTED FOR INSIDER TRADING
Wednesday March 19, 2003


By CHAD KULTGEN

NEW YORK -- Federal investigators have arrested an enigmatic Wall Street wiz on insider-trading charges -- and incredibly, he claims to be a time-traveler from the year 2256!

Sources at the Security and Exchange Commission confirm that 44-year-old Andrew Carlssin offered the bizarre explanation for his uncanny success in the stock market after being led off in handcuffs on January 28.

"We don't believe this guy's story -- he's either a lunatic or a pathological liar," says an SEC insider.

"But the fact is, with an initial investment of only $800, in two weeks' time he had a portfolio valued at over $350 million. Every trade he made capitalized on unexpected business developments, which simply can't be pure luck.

"The only way he could pull it off is with illegal inside information. He's going to sit in a jail cell on Rikers Island until he agrees to give up his sources."

The past year of nose-diving stock prices has left most investors crying in their beer. So when Carlssin made a flurry of 126 high-risk trades and came out the winner every time, it raised the eyebrows of Wall Street watchdogs.

"If a company's stock rose due to a merger or technological breakthrough that was supposed to be secret, Mr. Carlssin somehow knew about it in advance," says the SEC source close to the hush-hush, ongoing investigation.

When investigators hauled Carlssin in for questioning, they got more than they bargained for: A mind-boggling four-hour confession.

Carlssin declared that he had traveled back in time from over 200 years in the future, when it is common knowledge that our era experienced one of the worst stock plunges in history. Yet anyone armed with knowledge of the handful of stocks destined to go through the roof could make a fortune.

"It was just too tempting to resist," Carlssin allegedly said in his videotaped confession. "I had planned to make it look natural, you know, lose a little here and there so it doesn't look too perfect. But I just got caught in the moment."

In a bid for leniency, Carlssin has reportedly offered to divulge "historical facts" such as the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden and a cure for AIDS.

All he wants is to be allowed to return to the future in his "time craft."

However, he refuses to reveal the location of the machine or discuss how it works, supposedly out of fear the technology could "fall into the wrong hands."

Officials are quite confident the "time-traveler's" claims are bogus. Yet the SEC source admits, "No one can find any record of any Andrew Carlssin existing anywhere before December 2002."

Weekly World News will continue to follow this story as it unfolds. Keep watching for further developments.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:09 PM
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9. Well
Question:

Is the Andrew Carlssin case for real?

Your Answer: Answer last updated: 03-31-03

Many investors and other members of the public have asked us about news reports concerning the Andrew Carlssin, an alleged "time-traveler" who supposedly made a fortune in the stock market by trading in the year 2003 based on information gleaned from his travels to the future. The reports appear to be a hoax. The SEC has not, in fact, brought an enforcement action against any such person.


http://sec.broaddaylight.com/sec/FAQ_19_16002.shtm

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Crachet2004 Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:16 PM
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18. Yes because they evidenly have nothing to charge him with!
They 'suspect' insider trading...but does this guy even exist? Did these events really happen? Or is the whole thing a spoof?

Lack of charges is simply no evidence of wrongdoing.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:03 PM
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6. Predicting Civil War after the most contentious US sElection of all time..
Edited on Wed Mar-03-04 08:05 PM by Junkdrawer
Who'd a thunk? It must be real!
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:06 PM
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8. I wonder if the beginnings of the "civil war" are a result of Bush
stealing the election AGAIN in 2004? Would the people be angry enough to take to the streets and demand that he resign? who knows....
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:37 PM
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12. That's exactly what
I was thinking, and it wouldn't surprise me if it happens.
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:11 PM
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10. Question.
If there is a big nuclear war in 2015, what do they make a time machine out of?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:42 PM
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16. Answer
A vintage Delorean and some stolen Iranian Plutonium. Don't you have a TV set?
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:11 PM
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17. D'oh!*
And a flux capacitor! How could I have forgotten? :)

*Are we still allowed to say that?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:31 PM
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11. I'm going to give this a kick
because this stuff is just plain wierd and I want to know what other people think about it. I'm not interested in it so much from a scientific point of view than from an historical point of view. Why would somebody from 2036 return to our time and then *tell* us about it? I certainly wouldn't let anybody know if I was a time traveller (maybe I am, maybe I'm not... in the words of Kevin Nealon!).

When I was little I used to be really scared of the future. I always had this fear that techonology would come to dominate us instead of the other way around. After I turned 8 that faded away, but hoax or not this very idea is creepy.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:42 PM
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13. One theory seems to be that it was a science fiction writer
testing out some ideas for a book (or trying to get some).

I agree with your "I wouldn't tell anyone" point - I've always felt the same way about UFOs. If they wanted us to know, then they could easily (not appear on lonely roads at night, or post to obscure bulletin boards); if they didn't, what we see, for UFOs, is presumably cockups of their incredibly advanced technology. The 'time traveller' seems far too casual about it - just as if he's passing the time of day. The stock fraud story seems more believable in that respect - someone getting caught by accident.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 08:59 PM
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14. It's a hoax.
A quick Google search turns up this, from another message board:

if you haven't seen it, the evidence is that a GURPS role playing
game from the mid nineties has an almost identical plot to John's
future - even the dates. The link for the rpg site is down now. But it
seems to confirm beyond reasonable doubt that it is a hoax.

read about this story this morning and can't believe how long this story has went without being discredited.
John Titor's time machine is a 1950's vintage Civil Defense Set, used in fallout shelters to detect radiation in the air and on people. In one of the photo's of the "time machine" John has pulled the CDV 700 series radiac used for personnel from the container, you can clearly see the Civil Defense Logo on the side of the meter. The metal box that houses the set also contains an air monitor that checks for Tritium and or Neutron radiation. The schematics are for the air monitor that used Ion Mobility Spectrometry or scintillation to detect radiation.
These kits can be purchased at military surplus stores for pocket change, or even found at old fallout shelters.


And This, from LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/community/hoaxes/90359.html?mode=reply
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:41 PM
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15. Actually, I'm John Titor and I've come back here to tell you...
Dude! You've been Punk'd!


But seriously, of course it's a hoax. But it's a hoax with a message and a really cool story line. Obviously it got started around the hysteria following the 2000 election. I love these sorts of things and hope to create a bizarre little universe like this myself some time.
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