Does anyone Believe a damn word from this administration about Haiti?

[Postman]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=589&u=/ap/20040301/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/us_haiti_18&printer=1

Scott McClellan said, "It's nonsense, and conspiracy theories do nothing to help the Haitian people move forward to a better more free, more prosperous future."

An African-American activist says Aristide told him on the phone Monday that he was kidnapped at gunpoint by American soldiers and ousted in a U.S. coup d'etat. Aristide said he was being held prisoner at the Renaissance Palace in Bangui, Central African Republic, said the activist, Randall Robinson.

....Bush Adm...don't believe your own ears with the facts, believe our lies.

http://www.democracynow.org/

[drb]

1. I don't believe a damn word they say about anything!

If Scott McClellan said the sun was going to rise tomorrow morning, I'd go buy a flashlight!

[FloridaPat]

2. Pick a subject - any subject! Yes, Bush lied on that subject.

[indepat]

3. Does anyone with brains believe this Administration about Haiti or

anything else relevant?

[alcuno]

4. Yes. And they are all in the WH press corps.

[Cleita]

5. Npt a word.

If you get a chance to see a video, McClellan's eyes narrowed to little pinpoints, he was lying so hard.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

6. Nothing but lies.

[morgan2]

7. they said aristede was elected once..

I'll believe that..

[Demonaut]

8. sure, once you run out of lies whats left?? the truth

lol, dont think they will resort to that

[coloradodem2005]

9. I have made it a point not to believe a word that Bush Says.

He lied about Iraq, may be lying about 9/11, The Plame Investigation, the Economy, National Guard Service.


Am I forgetting something?


Why would I ever believe him?

[Malva Zebrina]

10. I do not believe a damn word Bush says

or anyone else in that whole corrupt administration of weirdos. Only a fool would believe any one of them--and/or the CIA and Tenet.

Further, I seldom believe anything reported by the American media

and you know

that is quite very sad for one who loves one's country.

[tom_paine]

11. No, in fact it is more productive to just believe the opposite of what

the Imperial Family and their Stooges are saying.

They say there are WMDs in Iraq?

Then there are none

If they say the economy is improving

Then it remains in the shitter

I have never seen the like outside of Totalitarian nations.

Of course, some would argue that Amerika is no longer technically free, anyway, even though we are 98% "free" we are now missing the 2% that holds the rest together.

[Skittles]

12. HA HA, HA HA HA HA

F*** NO.

[mopaul]

13. if they told the truth once, i'd have a stroke

the last president, the last real president, was IMPEACHED for one stupid little lie of no social or political consequence.

whatever they say about haiti, we must believe exactly the opposite.
or any other subject for that matter. if rumsfeld says only about 1500 or 2000 or less american soldiers are headed there to keep the peace, we must assume they are going there to cement the coup.

the coup that we orchestrated, like the hundreds of other coups in hundreds of other countries during the last century

[Az]

14. All they have to do is let Aristide talk for himself

Its really quite simple. In fact the fact that they don't let him out condemns them right off the bat. If the claim is he said he was taken by force and he is just our guest, let him speak.

[sangh0]

15. Yes, even some DUers believe Bush*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x416082

[Zinfandel]

16. And this is the truth...Bush will ALWAYS lie!!! And fucking be sure...

slave labor is something the republicans can't resist. Aristede was elected legally by the people of Haiti. Aristede was supported by the Clinton administration and is considered a leftist by the Bush fascist.

Any leader, in any country in our hemisphere, who is not a right wing dictator and does not bend over for corporate America, WTO, INF & World Bank is considered a threat to the right wing fascist and the corporations in this country.

The whole reason for the CIA, has become to protect US corporate business interest and to create more exploits for US corporations all around the world...Iraq and it's oil, Afghanistan gas, pipeline, opium poppies, Haiti has agriculture and cheap labor, and on and on.

If a country is being subverted, undermined, and exploited somewhere in the world, the CIA is involved. And you can bet US corporations see dollar signs in that same country (that's why the CIA is there). Not the CIA, nor the corporations or the repupulicans (who ARE the corporations) care what happens to the people in these countries, (death squads or whatever it takes, It's ALL about profits for the corporations, that's the bottom line).

And it's our tax dollars paying for it ALL CIA killing & exploits, (so the fascist continue to lie to us about what's really happening.)

And they can't and have never been able to do shit about Cuba's socialist leader, Fidel Castro for over 46 years...nor will they ever. And that pisses off the BushCo cocksuckers to no end...makes me smile!!!!

[chookie]

17. Looks like a coup, smells like a coup....

Fait accompli, it would seem -- although the motives behind it are still unclear.

It might even be something as simple as being a dress rehearsal for taking out Chavez later this year.

Yeah -- Chavez is another one of these guys W doesn't have any use for -- even though they are democratically elected, he feels that they are not legitimate. I know I feel that way about our President....

Listen to the weasel words! His Chimperial Majesty says stuff like "Haiti's constitution is functioning." Yeah -- last time I heard that, it was when the Supreme Court handed the WH to George's son -- and in spite of what we all saw unfolding before our eyes, we were told how lucky we were that *our* constitution was still making the peaceful handover of power to the Reich possible.

Right now the US is working hand in hand to make it possible for the former military thugs to seize power. Funny -- one of the first tasks of the marines is to make sure that Haitians don't escape to America! Ha ha -- they are being called "migrants" on CNN today -- not refugees!

I'm not sure what is all behind this little drama -- but I believe it has been another coup in broad daylight.

[TankLV]

18. Not for a nano-second.

But then again, since everything that this misadministration has said has been proven a lie - EVERYTHING - I don't believe anything thay may say.

All one can do is look at the results, not what is said.

BUSH* LIES - ALL THE TIME - EVERY TIME.

You can bank on that.

[Kool Kitty]

19. I don't believe anything that they say, period.

[Zinfandel]

20. ONLY uninformed people can believe Bush about Haiti...I'd love to

hear them explain why it's a good thing...they don't know what the fuck they are talking about...and will just be mimicking the Bush administrations lies and CIA cover up behind the (just as the CIA tried to do in Haiti while Clinton was president...Clinton wouldn't allow it.)

The uninformed will also be quoting "sources" from CNN, MSNBC etc...
they have done their own homework, like most people in this country, they are lazy and have the fucking nerve to repeat what they heard and then pontificate about it as if they actually researched it themselves. Fucking Morans!!!!

[TahitiNut]

21. Scott McClellan lost me at "Good morning!"

A professional liar and dissembler for a neofascist cabal of criminals.

[brook]

22. Based on...

everything that's come out of their collective mouths since the American coup of 2000.....why start believing them now?

[Lindsay]

23. In a word,

NO.

And the more of their spinmeisters they send out to tell their lies, the less I believe them.

[Darranar]

24. NO!

[libview]

25. So they kidnapped a leader of a country, at gunpoint,

took him to a palace, and gave him a phone so he could call and tell everybody.
hmmmmmmmm, not very good at kidnapping world leaders, are they?

[frank frankly]

26. pay no attention to what he says, only what he does--Molly Ivins

they are pathological liars, sociopaths, and war criminals.

[onethatcares]

no one can believe anything this administration says. n/t

n/t

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[TankLV]

30. Boy, you sure are making the rounds.

Getting bored with that "other" site, hmmmmmmmm?

Who ya gonna believe, you lying eyes and ears or what bushco tells you to, hmmmmmmmmmm?

[Walt Starr]

32. Gotta link for those allegations about the democratically elected leader

of Haiti?

I have no respect for people who support military coups that were orchestrated by the United States government.

[kdmorris]

34. Unlike our leader, who shares with everyone?

I guess this is Clinton's penis's fault too?

/sarcasm off

[Ms. Clio]

28. Not about Haiti or anything else!!!

Interesting how many * enablers have come out of the DU woodwork on this one, though. They claim they don't have enough information or evidence but they don't believe eyewitnesses, they don't believe Aristide or his wife or his lawyer or U.S. Congresspersons, so there is just no "proof" that will satisfy them, it seems.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

29. If the Bush Administration says 2+2=4, I'll check with a calculator.

No -- twice, with different calculators.

[Karenina]

31. Can someone please post

Mopaul's *pez dispenser on this thread? THAT would do my heart and blood pressure good. Thanx in advance.

[peacetalksforall]

33. Lies and theories

Theory first...

Why Haiti? Why now?

We all have talked about the U.S. getting ready to take over Cuba. There has been talk on the internet that drug transfers (the U.S. is accused of being involved in) take place on the unsecured islands off the coast of Cuba. If Cuba is about to become the 'next state' and they need a new place, why not Haiti? There is not as much coast on Haiti, but it's closer than the Dominican Republic (which now seems to be the facilitator for the U.S. My, we learned how much loyalty guns can buy.)

Aristede was taken and secreted to Africa with only a letter and no press interview or UN representation. The U.S. says he resigned for the good of the people. Aristede tells our congresspeople and media people that he was abducted and witnesses have backed that up.

Who're you going to believe?

The congresspeople, witnesses, his wife, Aristede himself?

Or our liar administration? Especially Powell and Rumsfeld and all the little apologists they are dragging out.

[mrdmk]

35. Yes, the world is probably better off without Saddam in power

But, is the medicine worst than the disease?

[Auntie Bush]

36. No, not a damn word. Nothing but lies and more lies. n/t

[Pobeka]

37. They are now officially pathological liars. n/t

[Taeger]

38. Robert Novak

He believes the lies 100%. But somehow I believe he helped write the lies in the first place.

You should have seen him on "Late Edition" on Sunday. He seemed to suggest that he was the only person who knew ANYTHING about Haiti because he's "been there".

He, like other neo-cons, was quick to point out all the "mistakes" that Aristide has made. He pointed out vociferously that Aristide was responsible for Haiti's woes. But he failed to make mention of ANY specific actions that Aristide had made. Such as:

* Raising the minimum wage
* Dissmissing a thug military
* Refusing to buckle under to IMF and World Bank pressure.
* Listening to the people who ELECTED him.

Yep it's pretty neat how they SUPPORT Democracy in Iraq but OPPOSE it in Haiti. They OPPOSE fundamentalism in Iraq, but SUPPORT it in the United States.

[arewethereyet]

39. why on earth would we lie about it ?

nothing personal against Haiti but it in no colonial prize.

[Zinfandel]

40. Did you do your homework? Agriculture, slave labor, American tourism...

for the US corporate hotel industry (after all it's in the warm beautiful Caribbean) to create a US base... and what was once (until a couple of days ago) a democratic regime... supported by the Clinton administration, is now no more. BushCo and the corporations hate democratic regimes in third world countries, (especially black run democratic regimes) less profit for the corporations, having to go through the proper channels, (a well paid right wing puppet, will hand it all over as demanded) they want it all now, before the elections, the corporately owned and run CIA made sure of that...and with our tax dollars!

[Tinoire]

41. Not a damn one n/t

[imax2268]

42. I never believed anything...

after "I ChimpyBoy Do Solemnly Swear..."...after that it's been one big lie after another...

[Silverhair]

43. I don't think W gives a damn about Haiti, nor does the Average American.

Let's face it. There is no oil there, and it is a poor black Caribbean island.