Maxine Waters on CNN...

[berner59]

She's on fire!!! CNN trying to say she's making it up!! cool...

[proud patriot]

1. She's doing great

Speaking truth to power .

[displacedtexan]

2. Can you believe the way she's being treated?

That CNN idiot is acting like she's either lying or being manipulated!

[JohnyCanuck]

18. Well the Bushbots have been so truthful with us up to now,

I guess it's only natural for the media to assume they're telling the truth in this instance too. :7

As our former Canadian PM Brian Mulroney once remarked, "There's no whore like an old whore."

Edited to add: Just to eliminate any possibility of confusion, the whores I am alluding to here are the MEDIA WHORES. (Mulroney when he made the statement was referring to another politician)

[_Jumper_]

3. Who is she denouncing?

The former Helms guy.

[berner59]

5. wow....

Let's see them get out of this... The fact that he's said this to Rangel and his lawyer and Randall...says "huh"????

Another guy saying we did this for his safety??? This is getting...interesting...

[nickinSTL]

9. For his safety?

Does this mean the US is beginning to acknowledge kidnapping Aristide?

Woo, this won't play well internationally. Not like Bushco cares what the international community thinks.

[nolabels]

95. international community is just some focus group

[NewJeffCT]

4. about what?

I'm at work - no TV or CNN access...

Please summarize.

thanks

[morgan2]

8. she's saying what she heard from aristede

they're just being condescending. Basically giving her the whole, how could you think the US gov't would lie or do something bad attitude. Waters then brought up Noriega, the man in the State Department who has been trying to get Aristede removed for years. He used to be an aide to Jessie Helms.

[maveric]

6. CNN is sickening!

Showing their lack of objectivity and treating Maxine like someone who claims to have seen Elvis.
State controlled media at its worst.

[La_Serpiente]

7. these are the same @-holes who

committed all those crimes in Central America - Negroponte, Perle, and the rest of the crew. I wouldn't trust them at all when it comes to the Southern part of this hemisphere.

[berner59]

10. and now back to Kobe....

unbelieveable!!!! Let's see - there's a chance our own government was behind a coup of a democratically elected president...but let's see Kobe get out of a car.... There are no words...

[jackstraw45]

12. Simply amazing...

I'm speechless as well.

Viacom, GE, Disney, Time Warner....

This is what happens when you mix the media with ENTERTAINMENT.

Kobe, Martha and the rest of the diversion gang.

We live in a serious world. Our media is a circus. There's a reason we have People Magazine and The Hollywood Reporter.

[KharmaTrain]

11. Gunboat Diplomacy - CNN Should Be Ashamed!

Unless I misunderstand international law, doesn't the head of state make the call as to who and where he gets exiled to? I remember Marcos having his shoes packed and even though he was nudged, there was some dignity involved.

Not with these hugs in OUR White House. This is so orchestrated Leonard Bernstein would be impressed...and the media, especially CNN is playing right along with the script. Somehow we're the benevolent "big brother" helping a country that we have a 100 year history of destroying and exploiting.

With all the crap she's taken and the scrutiny she's been under for the past decade...Congresswoman Waters wouldn't come out and say what she did without having her facts checked six ways from Sunday. She's always been honest and on the mark...even correcting the question thrown to Rummy that drew a typical snide non-answer.

Myles Mindbender is a smug bastard who apes the regime's line...kissing ass to NASA (so he can play with the space toys and pretend he's Walter Cronkite) and hug elbows with the brass (he's got a fixation with guys with stars and bars) and is quick to dismiss any question or questioner to his already set position.

These are the same boys who manhandled Central America throughout the 80's and looks like they're back in business again. Two questions...One: What took so long? Two: Why now?

[Cooley Hurd]

14. Charlie Rangel gave Wolf Blitzer Aristide's phone #...

...and Blitzer, despite saying he would, didn't call.

This is fucking unbelievable. Why WON'T the media do its job?

[KharmaTrain]

17. I've Got Questions...

Now Wolf's a supposed "journalist"...let's say he was given Osama's private cellphone...had the chance for an exclusive, do you think he'd pass on it? Something is really smelling here.

This is like some surreal 60's movie...Gil Scot-Heron was prophetic. This whole thing will be yesterday's news by tonight and the regime will be on to the next distraction.

Again, what is it that they needed Aristide out now and these thugs in? If I'm not mistaken this also happened under Poppy in '91. Yep, lots of questions!

[lostnfound]

69. We have got to get out and protest...!

You are so right..they will move on to the next celebrity scandal..or maybe they will CREATE a distraction out of their dirty tricks bag. And Haiti will be forgotten.

[maggrwaggr]

13. What drove me nuts was Colin Powell

basically saying (on CNN earlier when they were interviewing Charlie Rangell) that sure, Aristide was the democratically elected leader, but they didn't like how he was governing. He wasn't governing well, or in a very diplomatic fashion. So rather than letting the people of Haiti decide in an election to throw him out, he was supporting his overthrow.

that's basically what Colin Powell said!!! I was shocked!

By that logic, we should start to overthrow Bush RIGHT NOW. By that logic, revolution in America is the right thing to do.

[tom_paine]

15. Colon Foul is Totalitarian Scum...a Bushevik Bootlicker to the core

(what's even funnier is that, because Foul can never REALLY be "one of them" kind of like a Jewish Guy joining the Italian Mafia, the Busheviks would throw him under the bus if they thought for a MINUT that thebenefits outweighed the costs)

[Jose Diablo]

19. Powel is a butt kissin' Tom from way back. n/t

[Skidmore]

20. And a coup is a diplomatic way of dealing with

an issue of governance?

[Dover]

70. I don't know the history of his "election" but if they installed him to

begin with, then I'm sure they feel they can UNinstall him at will.

Are there any really FREE elections anymore?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. Two words: My Lai. Nothing else needs to be said.

[jackstraw45]

16. Waters Transcript from Democracy Now Radio Program

Probably similar to what she said on CNN, in case you missed it...

http://www.democracynow.org/print.pl?sid=04/03/01/1521216

[JasonBerry]

21. Maxine Waters -- Castro Enabler

Maxine Waters and Ron Dellums also love Fidel Castro. Castro allows NO opposition parties in his country. Try to post like we do on a message board in Cuba! Of, I forgot, he is "limiting" access to the Internet. Yeah, Maxine and Dellums are real lovers of democracy. :eyes:

[tom_paine]

22. Got any credible info on this?

And, no, that doesn't mean Ann Coulter corroborated by Rush Limbaugh.

[JasonBerry]

25. Credible info?

On what? Waters and Dellums thinking Castro is great? Where would I start? Read some of their own material! Remember, after Grenada, there were papers from Dellums to Bishop and back again that showed they were friends and very close. Dellums spoke glowingly of Castro in his communications with Maurice Bishop. He also wrote a book - here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0807043192

He thinks Castro is wonderful. Do some Googling.

As for Maxine Waters, I would suppose it would be a matter of asking her. She is well-known for her defense of Fidel. Here is a good example where she writes a letter to Castro and has the nerve to talk about political repression in America, while saying NOTHING about Cuba. http://www.tbwt.com/views/specialrpt/special%20report-1_9-11-00.asp

Here, she praises Castro when he visited Harlem:
www.tbwt.com/views/specialrpt/special%2520report-1_9-11-00.asp&e=7921

There are simply too many times that Maxine Waters has run to the rescue of her dictator friend in Cuba. She is a national disgrace and a huge embarrassment to Democrats from the John Kennedy wing of the party. And, there are a lot of us.

edit to include link

[Isome]

28. That would mean NELSON MANDELA

has no credibility! See, when he was imprisoned for over 20 years, CUBA remained true to the true South Africans (not those Dutch interlopers). I suppose ol' Nelson and Maxine and Ron are just commies.

Doggone it!

[JasonBerry]

37. So, tell us

Go ahead and tell us --- since Castro supported someone we look up to then he is an alright guy, huh? The defense of totalitarian Cuba on this board is sickening. I went to Cuba and fully expected to love it - I came back a committed John Kennedy Democrat. That place is a totalitarian hell. Yes, a healthy one. Yes, an educated one. But, I still take freedom to do what I'm doing right now over anything. Sorry bashing Fidel Castro troubles you so much.

[Isome]

43. bashing castro?

no one cares. bashing waters and dellums is another story.

[TankLV]

50. I think you mean "ronnie ray-gun" wing of the democratic party!

I'M from the John Kennedy wing of the democratic party. NOT the ronnie ray-gun wing.

I'll believe Maxine Waters and the entire congressional black causus before I even ENTERTAIN the (shudder) thought that bunkerboy and his band of criminals could be in the least bit "truthful"!

But I guess everyone to the right of jessee helms is pretty left-wing these days, by your standards.

At least your comments are good for a moderate chuckle.

[Bandit]

56. So because you dislike or disagree with Rep. Waters you feel Democracy

is being served by a violent coup. Do you like Democracy? Do you hate us for our Freedoms?

[Trajan]

57. I agree that Water's support of Castro is problematic ...

This DOESNT mean that what they are saying about Aristide is automatically false ...

Take up your Castro issue on another thread ... its irrelevent here ...

Isnt this a non sequitur fallacy ??...

[AZCat]

58. It is an "ignoratio elenchi"

"ignoratio elenchi"
1. The fallacy of supposing that an argument proving an irrevelant point has proved the point at issue.

"non sequitur"
1. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence.
2. A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.

Both definitions from www.websters.com

[JasonBerry]

59. It is VERY relevant

Everyone is rushing to support Maxine Waters on CNN and I say, "wait and see because...." I gave reasons to be careful about what Maxine Waters and Ron Dellums say because of their history of "supporting democracy" in the region includes supporting Cuba. Yes, for this rah-rah Maxine Waters thread -- it is very relevant.

[thebigidea]

23. pretty shameful post.

[JasonBerry]

26. Shameful????

WHAT is shameful about that? If you mean it's shameful that Maxine Waters and Ron Dellums think so highly of the dictator in Cuba, then I agree.

[TacticalPeek]

24. And this would have what to do with what?

Like, Cuber's next?

[JasonBerry]

27. Credibility

It's about the credibility of Maxine Waters and the people who support her. She is no lover of democracy.

[Isome]

29. Maxine Waters doesn't love democracy?

Hmmm.

[htuttle]

31. Yes, he's quite the card-carrying Democrat, isn't he...

[Don Claybrook]

32. And so you trust Mr. Bush and his friends over Maxine Waters?

No, I'm not surprised. I've seen your posts in many different threads on many different topics, so I'm not at all surprised.

But I thought I'd ask you directly anyway: do you believe the word of the Bush Administration over the word of Maxine Waters? How about Charlie Rangel? Where does he stand with you? He's probably lower than Jimmy Carter or Gahndi in your eyes.

[JasonBerry]

35. ????????

Not sure what you mean by the personal bashing about "other posts", but if you mean I am more moderate than the vast majority on DU -= you might be right. I don't trust George Bush! Why with so many of you it is but the far-left line or George Bush's. There IS a middle way -- as advocated by John Kennedy, Bill Clinton......There you have a couple of good Democrats. I have noticed that I question Maxine Waters and that makes me a "bad Democrat." That's laughable. Throw your lot in with Maxine Waters at your own peril.

[Don Claybrook]

36. If you would, answer the two questions please

There's no middle ground on this particular issue. Either Bush is lying and Waters is telling the truth, or Waters is lying and Bush is telling the truth. Or maybe you can explain how they're both partially lying.

[JasonBerry]

38. Do you REALLY think

That Haiti boils down to believing Maxine Waters or George Bush? I will see how this plays out. I will not begin to say Maxine Waters, of all people, is a legitimate spokesperson for "human rights".

[blondeatlast]

72. It is common protocol on DU to explain edits...

I'd be very interested in hearing yours.

Again, friend, it's our party--if you don't like the conversation, you are free to find the door. There are a lot of moderate Dems on DU who enjoy the debate and are capable of holding their own quite nicely--if you don't enjoy it, perhaps this isn't the place for you.

If you think you will sway us to your way of thinking, well, I sincerely doubt that you can. If you are frustrated by that, find a party down the block.

[JasonBerry]

94. Your replies to me are offensive, BlondeAtLast

I think I CAN hold my own. Of course you perceive that to be trying to "change minds" Maybe if YOU can't handle the presence of moderates YOU can find a party down the block. YOU are the one preaching purity of ideas.

[blondeatlast]

101. I've no problem with moderates. I do have a problem with your SHRILL

accusations.

Again, point out to me where I posted an alertable offense, if you please?

[Melinda]

39. Oh, please allow me to show one of your "other posts"

Your message is transparent, Jason.

JasonBerry (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-29-04 12:54 PM
Response to Original message

21. Pacifica???? FAR, FAR Left radio


I am beginning to get more and more concerned with DU. First of all, Pacifica is la-la land radio. Hardly an unbiased source. It is the FOX of the left. OH!! I forgot!! I'm sure that's okay.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=390915#391110


---------------------------------------

Why are you on a progressive democratic discussion site, Jason?

[htuttle]

42. Well...

Ten bucks is ten bucks, eh?

[JasonBerry]

47. Care to explain that? --- n/t

[Melinda]

82. lol, yes - even some of the opposition have unmet needs under *.

Go figure. :shrug:

[JasonBerry]

44. I stand by it!

Because "progressive" does NOT mean "socialist" "anarchist" or anything of the other "isms" on the fringe of our party. To find myself having to defend myself for bashing Castro says a lot about what this board is becoming. I am a Democrat with all I am. By the way, it's against the board rules to do what you did in bringing another thread and my position on another issue into THIS thread. But, it only matters in that you didn't post any of my other posts which clearly would show I am a progressive Democrat. No, maybe not of YOUR stripe -- but Kucinich and the far left have gone down in flames this election year. I hate this trying to paint ME as being the one who is out of the Democratic mainstream.

[Melinda]

55. "What this board is becoming"? Oh, and please share the rule I violated

Hardly. The message you promote is indicative of how far progressive discussion has degraded here since DU was formed. But you have been here for a short time only, and can hardly be expected to know that.

Now then, how about posting the rule you claim I violated?

[Eloriel]

71. No, it's not against the rules

And it's pretty relevent too.

[blondeatlast]

75. Not the Democratic mainsteam, but you are out of the DU mainstream.

Again, I ask you to think of DU as a huge cocktail party of intelligent people who share a degree of common ground. If you can't handle our point of view, should WE be the ones to leave???

No sympathy--I'm here to debate and learn. If you are here to change our minds, good luck and feel free to stay on. If you can't handle disagreemnet, perhaps DU is the wrong place for you.

[JasonBerry]

91. Why are you treating me like a newbie?

I have been here for a LONG time and think that your condescending attitude is rather offensive. By the way, I never once suggested the far-left should "leave" - where did that come from? I think the tent is big enough for all points of view. Moderate Democrats are what keep Democrats viable in national elections.

[blondeatlast]

97. Then quit whining and be willing to fight instead of calling names.

Anarchists, socialists, etc. Yes, there are a handful of both on DU, but I'm not one of them. But I do support a far-left agenda and Dennis Kucinich.

[JasonBerry]

98. BlondAtLast

I have offered my opinion. When you offer yours - is it "whining'?? I have not whined. I think it's fine that you support the Far-Left agenda (your words) and Dennis Kucinich, but some of us think it's deadly for electoral victory and have every right to question it. Sounds like you are doing your best to shut me up and it won't work. Peace.

[ParanoidPat]

62. Did you really have to ask him? LOL!

GO MAXINE and CHARLIE! :toast: :evilgrin:

[Cooley Hurd]

45. Charlie Rangel also saying the same thing as Waters...

Guess he's a big "totalitarian-lover" too, huh? :shrug:

[TacticalPeek]

34. Her credibility would be better tested by uncovering the facts.

And attempting to discredit "people who support her" or Dellums is attempting a 'guilt' by association smear, twice removed from the topic at hand.

Such a tactic would backfire on the matter of Cuba, JFK and his supporters.

Why not look at the Haiti coup without the ad hominem blinders?

[JasonBerry]

40. Because

Good try. The issue on this matter IS Maxine Waters. It turns my stomach to see the party of Kennedy thinking Maxine Waters is so wonderful as many in this thread apparently do. By the way, the hypocrisy of anybody on this board trying to tell somebody that guilt by association is a bad thing is pretty laughable.

[TacticalPeek]

46. Laughable? Listen to yourself.

You imply that I am hypocritical about associative guilt based on my being "on this board"?

???


edit, tipo, removed "a"

[JasonBerry]

48. Forget it

This sub-thread has become an "attack Jason" thread for daring to speak out against an enabler of Fidel Castro who claims to care about "democracy" in Haiti. I just don't get it.

[Cooley Hurd]

54. No it's not...

Rangel, Randall Robinson and Maxine Waters are all saying the same thing, yet you haven't addressed that fact.

[blondeatlast]

89. Promises, promises--you respond later.

[Cooley Hurd]

53. "The issue on this matter IS Maxine Waters..."

No, it's not. It's about what Aristide told Waters, Rangel AND Randall Robinson. Are they ALL Castro-lovers?:tinfoilhat:

[TankLV]

84. Hey Jason - Breaking News on CNN - Aristide himself says he

was forced out AGAINST HIS WILL by Bushco's SS troups!

Lou Dobbs just got cut off the phone from him in the middle of his conversation.

Where's our apology from you for you accusing us of not spedking the truth when we said that bushco staged a coup?!

I won't hold my breath.

BUSH LIES - ALL THE TIME!

You can almost set your watch by it.

Take what they say - then believe the OPPOSITE is the truth!

ALWAYS!

[JasonBerry]

93. Oh....

Aristide is such a figure of innocence and virtue. When it comes out that Aristide lied in order to defend his honor back home - will YOU apologize to me?

[TankLV]

96. So you believe bushco instead of the honerable Maxine Waters,

Aristide himself, and countless other congresspersons?

After all bushco's lies?

Do you still believe bushco in spite of all his proven lies ever since he stole the office?

Do you?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

64. I guess all of her constituency enables Castro too since they vote for her

:eyes:

[ParanoidPat]

65. "and the people who support her"???

And the horse you rode in on! :evilgrin:

I SUPPORT MAXINE WATERS! :) I LOVE DEMOCRACY! :loveya:

[trumad]

66. There you go again Jason...

Just when I thought you rehabilitated you go and post this...

[Exgeneral]

73. I thought all this time she's been fighting

Like someone who IS a lover of democracy.

[jonnyblitz]

74. LOL

i needed a good laugh..thanks. :)

[KG]

81. slander much?

[shance]

104. Jason - take your propaganda fed electibility and SHOVE IT

If you want to be a part of those who destroy this country because of the Gap, Halliburton, WalMart and Bechtel, then KNOCK YOURSELF OUT babe.

I hope you have kids cause they are gonna love you when all hell breaks lose!!

Such principle and integrity.

Is money all that matters to most of you who defend this stuff?

Will money bring back our oxygen we breath after global warming has gone too far to be salvaged, or our quality of water after its been totally privatized and squandered? What if you lose that golden rimmed job of yours? WHAT THEN MY FRIEND???

Try THINKING for a moment of the big picture and what is happening in our world.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

33. Links? Evidence? Facts? Anything?

[JasonBerry]

41. See post 25

There really isn't a question about how Waters and Dellums feel about Fidel Castro and apparently it doesn't matter to many. We're supposed to believe she is speaking for democracy now? That's truly funny. She has shown her colors.

[Imajika]

52. JasonBerry

I think your posts are fairly accurate on this subject.

There is little doubt from what I've read that Maxine Waters and Ron Dellums are major Castro apologists. I personally do not put much stock at all in anything that Maxine Waters or Ron Dellums have to say about foreign policy issues.

Hopefully you realize though, that DU is chock full of Castro supporters and people whom regularly make laughable claims that Cuba is really a democracy. Any time a Cuba thread appears on the forum the Castro supporters come out of the woodwork to defend their marxist hero. Nevermind that a forum like this opposing the sitting government could never exist in Cuba. They have free healthcare and education doncha ya know. According to some, that makes up for the poverty, horribly mismanaged economy, utter lack of freedoms, absense of any real democratic elections, arrests of dissidents opposed to Castro, etc, etc.

I have got to think based on your comments on this thread that you've probably noticed this before. If not, good luck, telling the awful truth about Castro and all his apologists is like kicking a hornets nest.

Imajika

[trumad]

68. Cut from the same cloth...

[Exgeneral]

77. yeah but the one on the left

is cut from a much prettier section of that bolt of fabric.

[TankLV]

85. Took the words out of my mouth!

Especially since Aristide himself just said he was abducted at gunpoint and forced to leave on CNN's Lou Dobbs just moments ago.

[Exgeneral]

76. Look, both are former CONGRESSPEOPLE

and just because they don't join in and call for Castro's immediate asassination , you call them apologists.

"According to some, that makes up for the poverty, horribly mismanaged economy, utter lack of freedoms, absense of any real democratic elections, arrests of dissidents"

you could insert that phrase into a paragraph about low low prices at Wal mart and the adminsitration of GWB.

Just depends on where you have your view from: the gutter looking up or the mountain looking down.

[blondeatlast]

79. Now I'm a Castro supporter ... Fine (but I'm far from it).

No. Human rights violator, brutal dictator, etc. yes.

But this AIN'T ABOUT CUBA, ANYWAY! It's about Haiti; a considerable step down from Cuba in terms of human rights and poverty.

[hellhathnofury]

87. I agree with you.

[bigtree]

60. Why would anyone here take Bush's word over the Black Caucus on this?

Just what is the motivation to spend time shooting down folk here on this issue? I see the Bush administration's actions against the nearly unanimous opposition to Aristide's removal from the Democrats.

Where are your Democratic allies in the press? None in the news today.

[Robb]

61. Really astounding.

You're not going to believe Maxine Waters on Haiti because you don't like her position on Cuba.

So anyone who isn't aligned politically with you is a liar?

Please.

[blondeatlast]

78. What part of "We don't see it YOUR way" don't you get?

If you hope to change minds, it ain't working.

The CBC has been unafraid to speak the truth that the rest of Congress doesn't care to see for some time now.

[JasonBerry]

92. What part of

What part of "I have a right to defend myself from personal attacks" do YOU not understand? Do you never argue a point on DU? When you do - should you be subjected to replies like yours? Should you be told that you aren't going to change any minds? I HAVE changed minds on DU before. Posters on DU have changed MY mind about things. Why would we want to dispense with disagreement?

[blondeatlast]

99. "When you do - should you be subjected to replies like yours?"

Yes, if I begin to call others names, (socialist, anarchist--even if the shoe does fit a handful of us; it doesn't fit me), and I've gotten such treatment many times in the God wars.

It's simple. I don't want you to leave if you can stand the fact that your opinion on Ms. Waters, or any other issue, MAY not be the majority opinion.

If you can't deal with that, don't blame DU.

[blondeatlast]

102. "Color" being the operative word.

Because "gender" doesn't fit the saying.

[Terran]

49. So what are you saying

That Maxine Waters, an elected representative of the people, is lying on an international news broadcast?

[Isome]

51. That's what is sounds like.

...

[Bandit]

80. You don't believe US Congressmen how about Aristide himself

He is on CNN right now saying exactly the same thing Rep Waters has been saying. You so much as called her a liar. I guess everyone is a liar except Bush*. Aristide has verified everything. You are the one being totally discredited.

[blondeatlast]

86. Aristide confirms what she's saying, says the "letter" is a fraud...

Hope you've got your flame-proof jammies on; you need them now.

I'm just dripping with sympathy...

NOT!

[blondeatlast]

88. It's still not about Castro, but what are you thinking now?

We're waiting...

I hope you know what I'm talking about, unless you purposefully ignore that which doesn't serve your purposes...

[Mika]

90. Not true. There are several opposition parties in Cuba

JasonBerry, You repeatedly ingore Nobel prize winning Oswaldo Paya's Christian Democratic Party in Cuba (for one), on thread after thread.

Its easy to pass BS to the crowd that hasn't been to Cuba, but not so to those of us who have been to Cuba and spent time there.

I was in Cuba during the 1997-98 elections, and I can assure DUers that Cuban elections for parliament are cleaner than most any elections in the USA.

Here are some of the major parties in Cuba. The union parties hold the majority of seats in the Assembly.

http://www.gksoft.com/govt/en/cu.html

* Partido Comunista de Cuba (PCC) {Communist Party of Cuba}
* Partido Demócrata Cristiano de Cuba (PDC) {Christian Democratic Party of Cuba} - Oswaldo Paya's Catholic party
* Partido Solidaridad Democrática (PSD) {Democratic Solidarity Party}
* Partido Social Revolucionario Democrático Cubano {Cuban Social Revolutionary Democratic Party}
* Coordinadora Social Demócrata de Cuba (CSDC) {Social Democratic Coordination of Cuba}
* Unión Liberal Cubana {Cuban Liberal Union}

Plenty of info on this long thread,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=6300&forum=DCForumID70


http://www.poptel.org.uk/cuba-solidarity/democracy.htm

This system in Cuba is based upon universal adult suffrage for all those aged 16 and over. Nobody is excluded from voting, except convicted criminals or those who have left the country. Voter turnouts have usually been in the region of 95% of those eligible .

There are direct elections to municipal, provincial and national assemblies, the latter represent Cuba's parliament.

Electoral candidates are not chosen by small committees of political parties. No political party, including the Communist Party, is permitted to nominate or campaign for any given candidates.

[uhhuh]

103. Based on this evidence

Would it be fair to say that we can't trust Jasonberry because he has been shown to be lying and is a Bush apologist? I know being a Bush apologist isn't relevant here, except that by his own standards he has destroyed his credibility, right?

[Cleita]

63. Maxine tells the truth and others hate her for it.

Maxine has been villified by right wingers and even lefties, who don't want to hear the truth, ever since I can remember. I find her courage inspiring.

[lostnfound]

67. So did she & Randall Robinson have the SAME hallucination then...??

because they both got calls from Aristide. And then there's the landscaper/eyewitness in Australian that reported it yesterday. Maybe they were all in collusion... Is that the theory that CNN is putting out?? :eyes:

[blondeatlast]

83. Aristide says "kidnapped" on CNN and wants to see the letter

CP says he signed--the shit is hitting the fan.

DON'T LET THIS DIE!

[onecitizen]

100. I heard that. I wanted to spit on.......

that Host on CNN! The African-Americans in Congress are MAD! I think this is as bad as the 60's. I truly do. Something's about to happen and it isn't gonna be good.:grr: