What are some of the things the Bible says about marriage?

[jansu]

The Presidential Prayer Team is currently urging us to: "Pray for
the President as he seeks wisdom on how to legally codify the
definition of marriage. Pray that it will be according to Biblical
principles. With any forces insisting on variant definitions of
marriage, pray that God's Word and His standards will be honored by
our government." This is true.

Any good religious person believes prayer should be balanced by
action. So here, in support of the Prayer Team's admirable goals,
is a proposed Constitutional Amendment codifying marriage entirely
on biblical principles:

A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between
one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)

B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines in
addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron
11:21)

C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a
virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut
22:13-21)

D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be
forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)

E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the
constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be
construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)

F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry
the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or
deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one
shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law.
(Gen. 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)

G. In lieu of marriage, if there are no acceptable men in your
town, it is required that you get your dad drunk and have sex with
him (even if he had previously offered you up as a sex toy to men
young and old), tag-teaming with any sisters you may have. Of
course, this rule applies only if you are female. (Gen 19:31-36)

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[drthais]

1. fabulous stuff!

thanks...

and it would be humorous
but for the fact that it makes you wonder
about how aligned the right wing really is
(especially the women)
behind the literal aspects of the bible

[brooklynite]

2. An additional point....

Since Senator Santorum has stated that one of the fundamental reasons for marriage is that it "ensures the society's future through the upbringing of children", there should be additional language that makes child-rearing mandatory for each married couple, with a ban on birth-control, just to be sure...

[Edwards4President]

23. And proof of a positive fertility test before a marriage license is issued

n/t

[MichaelHarris]

3. Wooo Hooo

Woo Hoooo concubines. Anyone have Anna Kournikova's phone number?

[YNGW]

4. OTvsNT

Except for the Mark 10 passage, all the scriptures you quoted were laws given to the Israelites by Moses. A Christian would tell you they are under the laws of the NT, not the OT.

[jansu]

5. And I would tell you that the Neocons want to take us back to the OT.

I am sorry, IMHO you either accept the whole Bible or none of the Bible. You can not claim just some of the old testament, like the Ten Commandments, but then say all the rest of the Old Testament is old news and we don't have to keep it.

People against gay marriage take their reason for being against it from the Old Testament.

It is like any law, I can not pick and choose which part of it I am going to abide by.

See where they want to take us here:
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_5160.shtml

for the rest of the story!

[YNGW]

7. Reply

I don't believe they reject the whole Bible. I believe they separate them into two laws; the OT as being the law given to the Jews by Moses, and the NT being the Law of Christ.

For instance, the OT law had the Jews going to Jerusalem to worship and all sorts of animal sacrifices and feast days. The NT law of Christ has no such provisions.

The Christians I know don't accept all of the 10 Commandments, just the one's which are repeated again in the NT, which is 9 of the 10 (Remember the Sabbath Day (Seventh Day) was replaced with worshiping on the First Day of the Week - Sunday). I am not aware of any Christians who claim the OT law of Moses is the law under which Christians are to be subject today. Maybe you do.

[jansu]

16. Show me where God changed that Commandment!

I know many churches which practice all of the 10 Commandments.

[arcane1]

6. you mean like the 10 commandments?

and that ONE Leveticus verse condemning homosexuality?

:silly:

[asthmaticeog]

25. Leviticus

If the verse that proscribes homosexual acts (18:22) is valid, then so, if believers are to be consistent, must the verse prohibiting the wearing of a garment made from two different kinds of fibers (19:19). All you fundy MFs in 50/50 poly-cotton polo shirts - I'm callin' you out! Your Sunday best is an abomination unto our Lord! HELLBOUND! HELLBOUND! HELLBOUND!

[minkyboodle]

29. good lord

That is a freaky avator pic. Thats from the shining right edited to put W in..... man I thought it couldn't get any scarier... lol
Scott

[Merlin]

9. Horsefeathers. All Christian sects proclaim the OT as "The Word of God"

Not that it IS, of course. In fact, imo, it's pure blasphemy to say that the God of the Universe authored such a steaming pile of garbage as is most of the OT -- and particularly books like Genesis, Exodus and Deuteronomy. My God, did you ever actually READ these things!?!

Yet it is these very books that form the basis of most of the vatican & US fundamentalist, right-wing moral crusades -- such as those against abortion and against homosexuality.

[YNGW]

10. Reply

They do claim the OT to be the Word of God. It's a matter of whether or not they claim the OT is in force today or it's the law of Christ (NT) in force today. The one's I know don't use the OT as their proof-text for how they live their lives, they use the NT.

[Merlin]

26. So the God of the Universe sort of changed its mind?

In other words, it's God's Word. But it might no longer be in force. Hmmm.....

It's part of The Bible and it's the Word of God, but you don't really have to defend it because "they claim" it's no longer in force "today" (although this has never really been enunciated by any spiritual authority of course; what's a matter--cat get God's tongue when it came to that bit of clarification?).

So your Christian fundies can do what they want with the OT, right? They can disclaim it when it suits them. Or they can use it to:

• Claim God Almighty deeded the whole of Israel to a certain race of people 3,200 years ago--but God does not want us to be racist; only God can be racist. Those people have the right now to go back to that land and disinherit those who have been living on it for an intervening 2 millenia because--hell--the OT is The Word Of God!


• Provoke insane hatred for homosexuals because God destroyed Sodom and Gommorah where we could interpret some of the bible passages to mean there were homosexuals, that's if there ever was a Sodom and Gommorah, highly unlikely since they were located at the highly sulfurous (e.g. easily ignited) souther tip of the Dead Sea.


• Prohibit even rudimentary preventive birth control and disease preventing prophylactic measures because God killed Onan for spilling his seed according to the OT.

You seem like a rational human being. Can't you understand that these tracts are simply ancient tribal histories, utterly devoid of anything remotely approaching "Divine Inspiration?" Who's word, after all, do you have for their being The Word of God? It's only the word of other men; the men who wrote and have since interpreted these texts and who have a vested interest in maintaining the pretext of their "holiness."

The God of Creation simply is incapable of such lame and perverted authorship.

I ask you again, have you ever actually READ, say, the first 3 books of the OT?

[TrogL]

A fundie would tell you

that only the ceremonial and dietary laws were set aside.

[jpgray]

12. Well, then homosexuality is a-ok, since the condemnation is in Leviticus

If it's not ok, then remember that eating shellfish and wearing clothes from two different cloths are each abominations in their own right. :D

[YNGW]

18. Reply

The NT passage they use is I Cor. 6: 9-10 which says that, among other sins, those who are homosexuals and sodomites will not go to heaven.

I had this discussion with Art (artwalden ?????) or someone ( really can't remember, but I think it was Art) via PM a few weeks ago. He was aware of the I Cor. passage mentioned above, but thought they used the other OT passage because it was more forcefully stated, but he agreed that both passages reached the same conclusion.

I'm not aware where eating shellfish and wearing clothes from two different cloths are said to be sins in the NT. That's a law given to the OT Jews.

I'm done here. If someone has a question you can PM me, but these things can turn into flames and I'm not interested in that. I just wanted to point out that if someone used those passages, a Christian will likely tell you those are OT laws, that they follow the NT, and then quote the I Cor. passage as their proof text. That's all.

Good Day.

[jansu]

20. Thanks for joining in with your points!

Good day to you!

[Merlin]

27. Yes. But only until sundown!

:evilgrin:

[redqueen]

8. Religion is the perversion / corruption of spirituality n/t

[scarletwoman]

11. "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich." -Napoleon (n/t)

[jansu]

15. Some of the Religious groups who are fighting against (gay) Human Rights,

are basing it on their Bible. I think we need to hold them to all of it! If they claim a right to keep all humans from enjoying the same advantages they have, and their claim is based on the Bible says "NO to homosexuality in the Old Testament", then they can not turn around and say, "Oh, WE only have to live by the New Testament, because the old has been set aside". Please, logic is all I ask!

No Special Rights for Christians!

[TrogL]

22. Not all of the old has been set aside

But there's lots of new stuff in the New that makes the Old look fairly silly.

[Merlin]

28. Was God just a bit too busy to point out what was and what wasn't?

After all, He supposedly "wrote" the OT, right? Why didn't he tell us--in writing--that parts are no longer valid? And which parts are they? The ones YOU chose?

No. It's more likely that God is absolutely horrified that any significant group of supposedly intelligent beings would actually believe that He--Creator of the Universe, All Powerful, All Knowing, Intelligent Beyond Our Wildest Capacity To Comprehend--THAT God--would write such a lame, convoluted, perverted, self-contradictory, amoral, blood-thirsty piece of trash as the OT.

[TrogL]

13. It is better to marry than to burn (Paul)

[TrogL]

14. Divorce is bad (Jesus)

The divorces demanded by Moses were a one-off.

[BruinAlum]

17. Oh shit! Don't drag out the Bible!

:scared:

I can't watch.x(

[jansu]

19. It is best to answer their positions with their "truth"!

If they want to claim their beliefs as the law of the land, for all Americans, then let them try. But, let's hold them too every bit of their Bible! They can not pick and choose which laws of the Bible they are going to keep and force on me! If we keep bringing up all of the horrors out of the Bible, maybe they will just be laughed off the world stage!

This might be one way to keep that wall of separation between the State and Church strong! Never in the history of this world, has it been good for the people and human rights, when the church and state are one, or even talking!

We do not want a theocracy! A Republic is what our Founding Fathers gave us and I will fight to keep it! Even using the Bible to make it so!

[BruinAlum]

21. I know. I jus a'skeert. I hate religious arguments.

[jansu]

24. Oh, so do I! They are the ones who are framing everything in those terms

From school vouchers, women's rights, judges, human rights, ect. We must answer them with their own authority! I believe in letting everyone decide for themselves, on everything, but especially religion! When you or anyone else wants to decide what the rest of us must believe or make laws based on your beliefs, I will fight you, using logic from your own beliefs!

Bush is the one who stated that he was forming prayer groups to bring this country into his belief systems way of thinking! That is just wrong in my Republic! One persons rights, not mob rule!

[SerpentX]

30. It gets worse ...

H. If a man suspects his wife of cheating, he should take her to church and make her drink mop water. (Numbers 5:11-31)

Don't take my word for it ...