I thought snuff films were illegal?

[Nazgul35]

what's up with the passion of Christ?

Seriously....the whole fixation on the violence, stemming from the passion plays used thoughout Europe to drum up anti-senetism...

Isn't it supposed to be the 21st century?

WTF!? :shrug:

What about the events leading up to the Crucification? All of his teachings? Is that because his teachings are so incongruent with today's Conservative movements views on what good Christians are?

How's about the fact that the whole point of Jesus is what happened after he died...three days after he died in point of fact!!!

The whole kicker for Christianity is the Resurrection...not the violence that occurred prior to...

Plus, in order for Christ to become the Savior of Humanity, he had to assume the sins of the world and die in just the manner that he did...so the Crucification was nothing more than the means to an end....if anyone was to blame for his suffering and death it was God, he sent him there to do just that very thing...

Just like he set up Adam and Eve for the fall....

So what is the point of this flick other than people to engage in self-flagellation at $9.50 a pop?

[brainwashed_youth]

1. you haven't seen the movie

you can't say anything about it. good god, these attacks on Gibson are getting more childish and cartoony by the day

[philosophie_en_rose]

2. Free speech.

Obviously, he has written something about it. People have the right to be offended, even if you think it's childish.

[Nazgul35]

3. what are you talking about...

the movie has been tlaked to death every where....

Numerous articles and discussion by Gibson and his actors clearly lay out the story line and the context of his film....

Besides, I was using the film to ask broader questions about religion....

Sorry you missed them...

[brainwashed_youth]

5. oh ok

Ya, ur right. I missed ur point. My bad. I can understand ur concern about religion, but Gibson has just chosen to focus on this point in Jesus's life. He feels that by highlighting what Jesus went through so that the world could find salvation, he can lead people to Christ. I say more power to him, I hope this movie does extremely well and makes true christians out of alot of people.



p.s. Sorry I snapped at ya, just read ur post wrong. You're title just sounds horrible

[On the Road]

13. I'm Glad Somebody Else Thought the Backlash Was Too Much

I seemed to be only one sticking up for the film DU. I mean, it's a traditional passion drama like the ones performed at Oberammergau for centuries. There are more realistic special effects today. How controversial can that be? I guess a lot.

The one thing that sticks out is the depiction of the Jews. It seems to be in accordance with the New Testament and Catholic tradition, but not with current sensibilities. That's what the film is bringing to light -- how modern consensus is appalled by historical attitudes toward the Jews. I understand that. It IS a big deal.

I think church tradition is dead wrong on Jewish responsibility for the crucifixion. But it doesn't shock me that someone of Mel Gibson's persuasion would want to make a traditional passion film.

[Mick Knox]

4. What is the Point of any movie or TV show?

Aside from survivor.. which is of course wonderful..

Its art created by an artist...

plain and simple.. like every other movie, song, or picture painted on the sistine chapel, or Scrap Metal Statue.

Free Speech! Doesnt just apply when someone wants to display a turd in a bottle of urine and call it art...

[Nazgul35]

8. maybe I stated it poorly

the main thrust of my post was meant to ask why people are attracted to violence and images contained within a religious message...it is clear the Jesus offers so much more in his message of peace and love....but some focus on the suffering and violence inherent in his transformation....

I have no problem with his making and showing the film...my question is what draws people of faith to this aspect of Christ when there is so much more important aspects of his life to focus on...

[brainwashed_youth]

10. I can answer that

In this case, the violence is absolutely integral to the story. The book of Isaiah prophesied that the Messiah would not even look like a man, but a piece of meat at his time of death. By showing the unrepentant, unrelenting horror and gore of the scourgin and crucifizion, Gibson is trying to make people exactly what Jesus went through for everybody. I agree, violence for the sake of violence is not good, but in this case it's integral.

[aquart]

6. I wanna know what's gonna happen to all the children

the faithful are dragging to see this.

I'm waiting for the news stories of little kiddies with whips, hammers, and nails.

[GregW]

7. They are

Of course in snuff films ... the 'actors' REALLY die ... not like ... a movie.

Besides, no one has actually SEEN a snuff film ... they are Urban Legends.

[Art_from_Ark]

9. Of course, there's the "Faces of Death" series

which came pretty close to being snuff films.

[HornBuckler]

11. Well

[Mick Knox]

12. How many movies have violence in them?

A billion? If "violence" = "snuff file" .. hell there wouldnt be any good movies at all.