Is the US involved in this Haiti issue other than protecting the embassy?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

Anything south of Florida smacks of US intervention. I need to know WTF is going on!

[mr_hat]

1. Yeah, but only 'cos Dubya thinks they're a source of voodoo economics.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

6. LOL

:toast:

[Suspicious]

2. The U.S. intervention in Haiti

started long before we sent Marines in to protect our diplomats.

[Another Bill C.]

3. As far as I know,

there's no oil in Haiti.

[Tinoire]

4. Protecting an investment in free labour & I mean FREE

US corporations down there pay hardly a dime in wages and there is no suge thing as health/life insurance.

If your buddy cuts off your arm with his machete because you're so crowded in the sugar fields (the more the merrier when the labor is practically free), you just bandage up your arm and go home.

No messy workmen's comp or any other insurance agencies to deal with.

Sad, very, very sad.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

8. My Comrade (my name is based on the film you cite) - I agree with you

If it's in the southern hemisphere - what do our corporations care - it seems to me that if you send 50 - yes 50!!! - marines you're only worried about your citizens. Why should they care what happens to black people in the poorest nation in ourhemisphere. WE SUCK! Our ideals, based on our actual policies are BULLSHIT!!!

[Tinoire]

13. It's so sad... & ouch, ouch, ouch do I ever agree

Haitian people are seen as chattel by US corporations, a lower than life, pitch black work-force that has so little human rights that when they try to flee the oppression we created over there, we just pitched them back to the sharks or lock them up in Guantanamo concentration camp and delouse them with Monsanto's pesticides.

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<snip, snip of racism & imperialism>

1915
U.S. Marines occupy Haiti to restore order, and establish a protectorate which lasts till 1934. The president of Haiti is barred from the U.S. Officers' Club in Port-au-Prince, because he is black.

"Dear Me. Think of it-- niggers speaking French!" --secretary of State William Jennings Bryan, briefed on the Haitian situation
http://www.zompist.com/latam.html


1915-1934: United States invades Haiti, seizes and expatriates its national treasury and gold reserves, imposes a new constitution allowing property ownership by Americans and dismissing the Haitian legislature from 1917 to 1930. Haiti-U.S accord on reestablishing Haitian Freedom signed in 1933 and on August 15, 1934 all U.S. Marines left Haiti. (HBC, p184). As part of U.S. legacy, the reins of political powers are strongly secured for the anti-black, pro-American mulatto minorities on both sides of the island (Haiti and Dominican Republic). During that period, as William Jennings Bryan of the U.S. State Department could hardly control his surprise at Haitians: Dear me, think of it. Niggers speaking French., the National Geographic Magazine described life in Haiti with such words: while the peasants thus took to the bush, the middle and upper class Haitians gravitated to the seacoast towns, where they learned the art of living by the expert exploitation, political and commercial, of the unthinking black animals of the interior (National Geographic Magazine, 1920: 497).

1937 (October): White Supremacist Dictator Raphaël Trujillo of neighbouring Dominican Republic, benefiting of full support from his great friends U.S. president F. D. Roosevelt and Haiti’s Mulatto president Sténio Vincent, orders the massacre of as many as 30,000 Black Haitians in a fit of anti-Haitian sentiment which also left countless Black Dominicans dead.


3. Resisting Black Majority Rule on Both Sides of the Island—White Supremacist Powers Offer Lip Service to Democracy, Tangible Support to Dictators and Help Reinforce Racist Stereotypes

Larry Birns and Michael Marx McCarthy Washington-based Council on Hemispheric Affairs
A lot of the people with whom I live—they’re from central Haiti—point out the similarity between this embargo and that imposed on the Haitian people by the United States after their revolution made them, in 1804, the first independent black republic in the world. The United States refused to recognize the new Republic of Haiti for some 60 years—until 1862—in large part because of the objections from U.S. slaveholding states.

Dr. Paul Farmer In December 2001 interview with The Haiti Bulletin, A Ross-Robinson & Associates Publication. Dr. Farmer is Professor of Medicine and Anthropology at Harvard University. This internationally-respected health expert established a clinic in Haiti in the early 1980’s and has remained an active practitioner in the health care delivery system of that country.

Meanwhile, right-wing Republicans maintain pressure on the OAS to vote one resolution after another unfavorable to the Haitian government. Prompting the highly-respected Council on Hemispheric Affairs to conclude: The international wing of the Republican Party (IRI) and Bush’s White House appear to be conspiring against the hemisphere’s poorest nation. http://www.coha.org/Press_Releases/02-15-Haiti.htm

Many are beginning to see in this latest page of the saga of the Haitian people, the dirty fingerprints of a powerful international network of white supremacists, fomenting civil unrest in Haiti as was the case during the 19th and 20th centuries.

See also: www.washingtonpost.com (Why Do We Punish The Haitian People? by Tracy Kidder) www.haiti-progres.com, www.windowsonhaiti.com, www.haitienmarche.com, www.discoverhaiti.com, www.haitiwebs.com , http://www.coha.org

The Rwandan Genocide cannot be undone. Will the Haitian one be stopped on time?

Jafrikayiti

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43a/396.html

Plenty more here: http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43a/
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THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE!

[I AM SPARTACUS]

10. Kom'ny-eh, T...

m'espere tou kap mache byen po m'oun pa-w nan Ayiti...

kick

[Tinoire]

12. M'byen mesi e ou?

M'peuw pou moun mwen nan ti peyi-a. Ke'm kasse an ti moso le m'we sa kap passe. Map priye pou moun pa-w e pou ou mem.

Krik krak

Honeuw, Libete.

Pi bel peyi pasi li nan pwen...

[I AM SPARTACUS]

17. N'ap bu-ye, p'ti p'ti.

Plis anko, chay lou po pep-la. Kenbe ko-w, l'e sa passe, n'ap priye ansamb, n'impot ki loin, ki kote.

[Tinoire]

19. Ou shofe ti ke mwen!

:)

Really thanks.

[htuttle]

5. Stan Goff has a thing or two to say about it

http://www.counterpunch.org/goff02142004.html

As I write this there is an attempt to start a civil war in Haiti, engineered in the United States of America and supported by its lapdogs in Caricom and the Organization of American States. Former Haitian military men who have received "some form" of training and logistical support while hiding out in the neighboring US semi-colony, the Dominican Republic, are systematically attacking the Haitian National Police at primary strategic points along the entire route from Port-au-Prince to the Dominican Border near Ouanaminthe. Only Cap Haitien has not fallen so far as St Marc, Gonaives, and Trou du Nord a town at a key bridge between the border and Cap Haitien has been ransacked by right-wing paramilitaries, who are the armed wing of a US-funded "opposition" that cloaks itself in the name Convergence Democratique, and now falsely claims no connection with this activity.

Haiti Progress is a site with non-corporate-filtered news from Haiti:
Goto: http://www.haiti-progres.com/
Click the 'English' button at the top,if needed.
or today's:
http://www.haiti-progres.com/eng02-18.html

[Suspicious]

7. The Haiti Progress site

is a must-read - full of information. Thanks for posting it.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

9. Amen! Thank you!!!!

[Tinoire]

14. Stan Goff rocks! But where oh where is the pro-NED crowd?

:thumbsup:

[anarchy1999]

25. Read what Stan Goff has to say.

It will open your eyes.

Sad, Sad story. We have so much to be sorry for as "Americans". We are supposed to be proud of what? Bringing democracy and a higher standard of living to whom? I am so sorry for all we are guilty of, how about you?

[Suspicious]

11. More information

can be found here, as well - extremely comprehensive. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0224-09.htm

[Tinoire]

15. Thanks! n/t

[Spring]

16. Its a Drug Turf War

Haiti is a key DrugRunning Transfer site. Its a Drug turf War.

[mountebank]

18. All evidence to the contrary, it seems.

I'm not saying drug running isn't important to the situation in Haiti (though I personally know nothing about it); but it seems that many analyses point to the U.S. desire to have Haiti be a cheap exporter of goods and labor as being the major cause of recent distress.

So - Aristide is somehow caught up in this drug trafficking turf war? I'm only saying that it is easy to chalk everything up to a drug turf war - but the events point to systematic interference by the U.S. to acheive its economic aims. In a drug turf war, I'd just expect total chaos, which is, admitedly, about all you'll see of Haiti in the popular press. But look a little deeper, and you see the system.

[Tinoire]

20. Well of course. And just what do you think Reagan & Bush's boys

were up to down there?

[CHIMO]

21. Some Background

Information.

Found this interview very informative for background information.

Go ti 19:33 of the interview to get the part of his analysis on Haiti and the others.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/03/1628209&mode=thread&tid=25

[DemoTex]

22. Big bad island full of death.

I did the east end revolution (Dominican Republic) in 1965. That was bad. The west end (Haiti) is worse. Always has been.

[I AM SPARTACUS]

26. I "did" Haiti. I found it full of life.

There are people who try to crush the life out of it. It is nonetheless full of an indomitable life.

I think I understand what you mean. I think folks might oughta hear that other part, too.

[berry]

23. Thanks for posting this!

GD is full of threads on the marriage thing and the Gibson movie. I can't believe that people aren't paying attention to Haiti, especially as events are moving so fast there. Now I'm going to follow the great links people have posted. And kick this thread.

:kick:

[anarchy1999]

27. There are lots more of us interested in what's really going on,

n/t

than the "gay marriage issue and the Gibson movie". The aforementioned are nothing but more smoke and mirrors. As is "Weapons of Mass Distraction"! Along with all the games coming up. March Madness, the Stanley Cup for Ice Hockey, then what.......ummm Golf something or other, then an Olympic event of some sort, What the F---------.. Just more bread and circus. Keep the masses amused. Let them eat Cake.

Empires fail.

Wake up or we are screwed.

"Something's happening here,

What it is,
Ain't exactly clear.
Stop now,
What's that sound.........
Everybody look,
What's going round."

Peace

[rman]

24. US is interfering in all nations opposed to corporate globalization

Cuba, Venezuela, Haiti etc.