Question about the bible

[Melodybe]

Hello, this is a question coming from a non-christian person hoping to find the bible passarge where Jesus says that man can not take anything into his body that will make him unholy. I am researching literature for a propsal I am sending to Dennis Herrerra, the city attorney of San Francisco who is suing CA on behalf of gay marriages.

The angle I am working on is that the issue of gay marriage is one of religious freedom. Many religions around the world and in history have respected gay marriage, therefore the government has no right to dictate or ammend the constitution to discriminate or favor one religion over another.

Personally any god I could believe in does not think that gay people are sinful.

Since I am not Christian and can not for the life of me remember where our one copy of the bible is, I need help.

Also food for thought, hot girl on girl action is in the eyes of the rightwing an abomination. If so then why do so many christian men buy porn and get excited when they see 2 chicks going at it. This hypocrisy hurts my head when I think about it too much, we are such a confused society.

[Loonman]

1. You might be thinking of Leviticus

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/Leviticus.html

[TrogL]

2. You're quoting the Old Testament

Jesus said no such thing.

[Lars39]

3. There's also the concept of the body as a temple:

The Body As A Temple...1 Corinthians 6.19-20

[mike1963]

19. Corinthians is not from Jesus, it's from Saul, the Terrorist of Tarsus

who never even met hay-soos. (This is the guy who fell off a donkey and banged his on the ground. I got thrown off a horse once, but didn't get an epiphany...)

;-)

[Lars39]

26. True,

but it seems to be one of the main scriptures that gets hauled out by the puritans when any kind of bodily fun might occur. :)

[Az]

4. Do you mean

Cannot as in is forbidden to or do you mean a true believer will not be harmed by taking in poison or such? There are numerous verses for both concepts.

[southerngirlwriter]

5. My question, too --

Which of these did you mean? I can help you with both or either.

[Lab Owner]

6. Question for you

What religions in history have respected, or even acknowledged, gay marriage?

[Sandpiper]

9. In pre-modern Europe, the Catholic Church

blessed same sex unions and even had a liturgy for them.

[JustinCredible]

10. who says they have to be in history?

Since when does religion have to mean "organized religion"?

[Melodybe]

14. also a point I intend to make

I for one do not believe in organized religion, I think that each person on earth is intitled to their own beliefs about life and the universe. People loose that when they try to get others to agree with them.

[Lab Owner]

15. The original poster

His/her comment was about religion "in history."

[Melodybe]

11. Virtually all of the Native Americans held gays in high esteem

If a man chose to live the life of a woman he was allowed. Marriage was also accepted between same sex partners. Gay people were seen as a go-between between the sexes, a bridge between men and women. They were often considered holy and held shaman or healing positions, the Sioux, the Cheyenes, the Zuni's, for example, all held these beliefs.

[arcane1]

16. what does that matter?

most ancient organized religions didn't acknowledge much of anything. The bible approves of slavery, forced child marriage, sub-human statud for women, etc.

Fortunately, the human race has grown up since then, at least a little

the Greeks acknowledged homosexuality too.

[Melodybe]

20. My point is that the government has no place to say that these religions

are right or wrong. Plenty of native Americans still practice their traditional religions. The RW argument is that our culture defines marriage as between a man and a woman, however since America is made up of many cultures it is unconstitutional to favor one culture, race, sex, religion over another. The End, this whole RW movement is BS.

[arcane1]

22. This whole RW argument is BS

you just summed it up perfectly! :toast:

[nostamj]

21. read this

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0664241859/104-3821406-3579968?v=glance

Jonathan Loved David: Homosexuality in Biblical Times
by Thomas Marland Horner

[Sandpiper]

7. Jesus said no such thing

He said quite the opposite

Mark 7:15:

There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

[Redbear]

12. Im sure that is what he means.

Matthew 15:10-11 says the same: Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him unclean, but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean."

He was responding to the Pharisees who were complaining that the discisples violated the traditional handwashing before eating.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

24. Juesus said "what you put into the body is not a sin, it's what comes out

of it that is"....your words

Mark 7:14-23 Defiling
The word "defile" means to pollute something. It is the same basic Greek word from verse 1 when it says that the disciples were eating with "impure" hands.
Jesus here teaches that nothing you eat physically will make you impure or defiled spiritually. What truly defiles someone is not in their stomach, but in their heart. It is not what goes into your mouth, but actually what comes out of it, for Jesus said,
Matt. 12:34 "...The mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.
Remember the Scripture that says,

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. Yes it's mainly Leviticus you are thinking of. To refute this

visit the liberals like christ website. Also look for the books "Stealing Jesus" by Bruce Bawer and "The Good Book" by Peter Gomes.

[drb]

13. It's in the New Testament, but I don't think Jesus...

...said it. Seems like it's something like, "It's not what goes into your mouth (referring to non-Kosher food) but the kinds of words that come out of your mouth."

There's an online search page at http://bible.crosswalk.com/

[CityZen-X]

17. Melodybe Try This

http://www.biblegateway.com

[Duncan Grant]

18. You may find this of interest but it's not exactly what you seek...

http://www.whitehouse.org/dof/marriage.asp
Amendment XXVIII: No state may sanction marriage between people of the same gender.
Amendment XXIX: No state may sanction marriage between a man and a woman who was married previously but has since divorced (Matthew 5:32).
Amendment XXX: No state may sanction marriage involving a widow (unless it is to her brother-in-law - see amendment 34). All women whose husbands have passed away are to refrain from intimacy and pleasure for the remainder of their lives ( 1 Timothy 5:5-15).
Amendment XXXI: No state may sanction marriage between people of different races (Deuteronomy 7:3; Numbers 25:6-8; 36:3-9; 1 Kings 11:2; Ezra 9:2; Nehemiah 12:25-27).
Amendment XXXII: No state may sanction marriage between a Christian and a non-Christian (2 John 1;9-11; 2 Corinthians 6:14-17).
Amendment XXXIII: No state may sanction marriage involving a man who has had sexual thoughts about a woman other than the one he intends to marry (Matthew 5:28).
Amendment XXXIV: No state may sanction marriage between a man whose brother has passed away and any woman other than his brother's widow. Each state must require the brother of a deceased man to marry his brother's widow (Deuteronomy 25:5-10).
...Amendment XXXIX: No state may sanction marriage between a rapist and any woman other than his victim. States must require a rapist to marry his victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) unless the victim failed to cry out, in which case the rapist is relieved of this obligation (Deuteronomy 22:23-24).
Amendment XXXX: No state may sanction marriage between a man and an aggressive or contentious woman (Proverbs 21;9, 21:19, 25:24; 27:15).


And one of my favorite sites for these matters: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.html

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. Here. you have to check this out

A thread on this very subject!

http://www.christianforums.com/t96466

[carpetbagger]

25. Mk 7:15, Mt 15:11

Mk 7:15 " There is nothing outside a person that by going in can defile, but the things that come out are what defile"
Mt 15:11"It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles"

The Gospel of Thomas (Thomas 14:5) also has this aphorism.