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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:55 AM
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The Pentagon's Plan for Tracking Everything That Moves
The Village Voice: Features:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0328/shachtman.php
 
The Pentagon's Plan for Tracking Everything That Moves

Big Brother Gets a Brain
by Noah Shachtman
July 9 - 15, 2003

The cameras are already in place. The computer code is being developed at a dozen or more major companies and universities. And the trial runs have already been planned.

Everything is set for a new Pentagon program to become perhaps the federal government's widest reaching, most invasive mechanism yet for keeping us all under watch. Not in the far-off, dystopian future. But here, and soon.
...more...
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celestia671 Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:46 PM
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1. That's pretty damn scary!
:scared:

I hope the idiots and insanoes who voted for Bush are happy!
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whathappened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 10:47 PM
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2. where are our watching eyes
the press use to be the watch dogs , but now we have no eyes to keep watch over our country , we are now being watched
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 11:11 PM
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3. Should we be worried?
I mean, they can't find Osama and Saddam, right?
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liberalrogue Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 11:16 PM
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4. They've been able to do that for years with satalite images.
Theres a website where you can find a picture of where you live from a satalite, considering that they probably know where osama and saddam are, theyre just keeping them alive in case Bush's approval ratings drop some more.
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no_arbusto Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:41 AM
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10. Terraserver.
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 03:48 AM by no_arbusto
Microsoft's Terraserver will show your house at 30 meter accuracy which is good enough to make out your neighborhood. However, the photos come from airplanes not satellites. Yesterday, in class, a guy mentioned that he worked at a company that had 0.5 meter accuracy aerial photographs for the ENTIRE state of Massachusetts! You could see what type of car people drive with that! And this is publicly available info. There is no doubt in my mind that military satellites can read a newspaper from space. The technology is definitely there.

Also, you know those E911 equipped cell phones all of the carriers have been pushing? You know, the ones with GPS units embedded that enable you to be "found" in an emergency? Total Information Awareness baby. :tinfoilhat:
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Paranoid_Portlander Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:38 AM
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11. I have seen satellite photos of my own house
My house was about one fourth inch long on the photo, and I could make out the shapes of my rooms by the shapes of the rooftop. It won't be long until these photos can observe me posting on DU! Sorry, I don't recall the internet link for this.
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WEagle Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 11:50 PM
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5. don't you love it when defence. think tanks
bring up big brother?

"This gives the U.S. government capabilities Big Brother only pretended to have," said John Pike, director of Globalsecurity.org, a defense think tank. "Before, we said Big Brother's watching. But he really wasn't, because there was too much to watch."
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:20 AM
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6. Here's just a small sample of the neoconservative dominated think tanks
"product"
TIA
http://www.darpa.mil/iao/TIASystems.htm

Remote viewing
http://www.lfr.org/csl/index.shtml

Non-lethals
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/nonlethal.html

http://www.datafilter.com/mc/nonlethalWeapons.html

Space weapons
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/starwars.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MCK306A.html

Mind control
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/

http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/book.htm#toc

http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/

Weather modification
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12342

The only candidate on record, again, ONLY candidate to even reference or state opposition to these outrageous programs is Dennis Kucinich, who's Space Preservation Act of 2001/HR2977 itself was revised and lost all text regarding exotic weaponry-then this is used as a pretext to attack him.

This is just one reason to vote for DK, imagine a future free from this very real Big Brother stuff. Imagine President Kucinich repealing the PATRIOT ACT, again, DK is the ONLY candidate on record to state that.

We can make it happen. What is the alternative? More Big Brother?
http://www.kucinich.us/

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WEagle Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:32 AM
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7. Very good points about Kucinich
The guy has a real grasp on the extent of the danger of these things. Thanks for bringing our attention to this and the links. ..yikes!
mind control, weather modification, non-lethals...........

:scared:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:37 AM
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8. Spread the word then.
We can do something about the BFEE "Fear Factory".:hi:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:28 AM
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9. Is this part of Rumsfeld's cabal's plans for "force transformation"?
aka Revolution in Military Affairs/RMA
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/rmaWarCollege.html

There is a cabal, they even call themselves that, their official title is Office of Special Plans/OSP {doesn't sound good for US, or to me "Special Plans"} or to Seymour Hersh either
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

These are the neoconservative traitors that have used selective intelligence {aka lies} to launch their criminal wars abroad which are getting our troops and a lot of innocent people killed {and sparked a spook war with the CIA}
http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/22/dreyfuss-r.html

And there is a newly opened Office of Force Transformation with hand-picked Rumsfeld cronies in it
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29510-2003Jun7.html

This cabal, their hidden agenda and refusal to listen to sane US military leadership has got the Generals upset, and our troops in a quagmire
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=414658

I guess all this Big Brother stuff we see daily could be part of their shadow government agenda. Only they know, they've lied to the world, they've got to be lying to US.

We are going to stop them with the truth, and with a regime change here. Because all this Big Brother, shadow government stuff reflects another major miscalculation by the neoconservative traitors IMO.

They put their faith in themselves, not US.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:20 PM
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17. great (if you could call it that) stuff
you've put a lot of compelling informatin together here. thanks!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 05:37 PM
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18. Thank you for starting this thread, G_j,
my intentions are good, this isn't a "thread-jacking", it's an expansion of your topic. I suggest that anyone reading it preserve these links, because these type of topics are disappearing, as other posters have noted. They are compelling because the majority of articles come from government sources, and reputable researchers IMO.
Some of the articles come from RW sources or sources that some DUer's would call not pc-me, I'm searching for the truth, wherever it can be found, wherever it is hidden.

That can get a person in trouble, but truth is worth it to me.

BTW, when I was posting links yesterday one had disappeared when I previewed, it's up now.
It details how the USAF has used Aerial Mind Control to "influence" the outcome of foreign elections. It was written by a skeptic that changed her mind as a result.
http://www.raven1.net/commsolo.htm

Bev Harris has done a good job IMO of showing how technology can be abused when in the wrong hands.
There is something to all this, and we all need to be aware of it as we take back our government.

Here is the mainsite, from Canada.
http://www.raven1.net/ravindex.htm


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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 08:02 AM
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22. by no means
would I think you were hijacking the thread. My favorite threads are the ones where folks provide links to related ideas or information. I usaually bookmark these. It's amazing what a wealth of stuff I've saved here at DU. This particular subject is not my specialty but I like to have at least a general knowledge of what may or may not be going on.
It's good to have a healthy scepticism but also good to have a healthy sense of whats possible.
One thing I have learned is that there are ammoral people who would persue technology to any dark end if they thought it possible.
For example, there's no doubt in my mind that certain folks would most certainly hack an election if they could and that's nothing new.
And "Mind control" is something that all advertisers study, and most of us are aware that the CIA, military etc. have been interested in it forever,it's a huge field of study.
So anyway, I'm bookmarking this.
peace, G_j
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 02:26 PM
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23. Like most people, I dislike that term-mind control {it triggers a reponse}
my personal definition is what everyone here is aware of, and dislikes, {especially obvious in the media} c/overt manipulation of our perceptions for unknown political agenda/s.

Subliminal influencing, behavior modification, conditioning, etc. coupled with the paradigm shifted technologies available, {as you noted} to amoral pragmatists {I call them fascists}-IMO is a huge component of this "administration"--it is characterized by fear, confusion, illusion, lies- all those things that most people loathe.

Fear, especially fear of the unknown, is a primal force that this administration has used since being installed. IMO fear is likely the core of realpolitik throughout recorded history.

There is also unrecorded, hidden, and now, revisionist history.
Secret history.

The time has come for an end to that, now, because our scientific and technological progress has far exceeded the available pool of progressive moral leadership.

For the historical record {and lack of a better definition} mind control "research" was part and parcel of The Cold War, a secret war between US/USSR. The US involvement in mind control was led by Richard McGarrah Helms. We won that war, too. {this is supported by the links in this thread}.

It is a perverted, sick joke to claim to be a Constitutional representational democracy when a government calls itself "the shadow government" and it's elite the "Cabal".

That is why these types of topics are important today IMO, because the unknown factor prevents effective behavior and action.

The future can be bright, or the darkness we all perceive will continue to head to the black hole in the shadow government.

It starts with an end to unknown fears which comes from pursuit of the truth.

These links are vital to that process, IMO. And I thank you again G_j for starting this thread, which should be kicked daily because it's an aid to understanding what we see in much of LBN lately.

Peace,
Bob





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WEagle Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 02:34 PM
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24. I hear ya!
I won't live in a paranoia, but I won't close my eyes either. I'm at peace with that. The truth? "bring it on!"
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:14 AM
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12. tracking grains of sand on a beach
As dystopian as it appears, the very attempt will create good government, as recognizing ALL citizens before the law instead of disenfranchising them will create huge change in american government...i am all for getting 100% of americans on-system, on-voting, on-complaining about the shrub and his stupid economic and military global disaster plan.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:36 AM
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13. Frank Gaffney wrote a projection on urban warfare
...in the states as being a likely and legitimate interest of the Pentagon and that US armed forces should have a mission to supress deomestic unrest, riots and rebellions in our cities.

The article subsequently disappeared I haven't been able to find it.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:03 PM
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15. better not to ignore this 'trend'
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 12:18 PM by G_j
The National Lawyers Guild noted the "militarization" of the police at the Seattle WTO protests. It's probably worth noting that this was before AWOL took power.

www.ratical.org/co-globalize/nlg070700.html


<snip>
The report then examines the thinning lines between the military, who are trained to kill, and law enforcement who are trained to preserve lives. It examines the way military tactics, training and weaponry have come to dominate law enforcement. Citing testimony of law enforcement professionals, the report then traces the disastrous effect this blending of the two has had on the fabric of democracy and members of law enforcement themselves. It examines the disastrous way this dynamic has played out in the past and the disastrous way this dynamic played out during the WTO Ministerial. Citing past work in the field, the report shows how such trends can endanger both the fabric of democratic society and the law enforcement officers themselves.
<snip>

edit, for clarity
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Paranoid_Portlander Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:47 AM
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14. kick
.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:06 PM
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16. Freedom of Information kick
hope the links haven't disappered, a lot of them are educational as to what Rumsfeld has been stuttering about during questioning today
:dem:
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Stone_Spirits Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:41 PM
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19. kick
:kick:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:05 AM
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20. So let me get this straight just one more time:
They have the knowledge and techonology to read a pimple on an ant's butt from the next solar system, and to track all the ants at all times and retrieve that information at the blink of a repukes eye, and yet they have no idea where those pesky little "tons and tons" of WMD have vanished to that they claimed they knew where they were that we were all in such orgasmic throws of urgency and all the networks had those nifty graphics and jingles all created for, etc. etc.?

BUT SOMEHOW, SADDAM AND A COUNTRY-LOAD OF EVILDOERS STILL MANAGED TO ESCAPE, UNSCATHED, WITH THE WHOLE SHEBANG OR HIDE THEM IN A COUPLE OF ROSEGARDENS?

Osama bin who?

Saddam who?

And to think of all those "Iraqi" hijackers, under Saddams direct orders (I won't even bring up all the phone tap-dancing going on all the time) gettin in them planes totally surprised the shit out of us and all?

I just wanted to make sure our "Awe shucks" - give us another chance, again, admin had their stories straight.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 01:56 AM
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21. Impeachment kick
:dem:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:11 AM
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25. "The Mind has no Firewall" was published in Spring 1998
in Parameters, the United States Army's War College quarterly. This is a military/private enterprise think tank.

"The Mind has no Firewall" was written during the era when some neoconservative traitor influenced careerists in the uniforms of the US armed forces were openly voicing their extreme RW hatred of President Clinton, perhaps encouraged by the Newt Gingrich led Republicans hateful demonization campaign.

Most of these extremely politicized officers began their leadership careers during the Vietnam War era, and many served there.

The US equipment, technologies and tactics introduced in that war were superior, the major battles and operations were won by US forces, yet the Vietnam War resulted in our military defeat, a fact that these extremely RW politicized Pentagon careerists IMO never have gotten over.

Our military defeat in Vietnam led to the extreme politicization of the Pentagon. That defeat was the foundation for Rumsfeld's Force Transformation, Revolution in Political and Military Affairs/RPMA, Office of Special Plans/OSP, Shock and Awe and other neoconservative traitor dominated national security issues, which were encouraged by the collapse of the USSR, end of the Cold War, and the defeat of godless communism.

"The Mind has no Firewall" begins with a quote from a Russian Army Major, {bear in mind that there was a covert war between US/USSR to develop exotic weapons and mind control, which we also won}.

This is a quote that has virtually been repeated in the past few months by Rumsfeld and other DoD neoconservative traitors {the majority of command are not traitors of course} we have achieved a military superiority that will never be relinquished.

Here is that article, btw, I only post this to show another example of the reality of the kinds of technology employed in mind control
http://www.raven1.net/firewall.htm

"The Mind has no Firewall" is from the links posted throughout this thread. The links were posted to remove fear of the unknown as we take back our government, and to allow the reader to better understand what is currently in the hands of the shadow government.

Politically, only Dennis Kucinich has fought against {or even referenced, in the text of the original Space Preservation Act of 2001/HR2977} these systems-once again DK is the only candidate I would trust to use these technologies for the good of the people as his entire record is reflective of using progress for US.

No other candidate is on record stating they would repeal the PATRIOT ACT, which enables the covert use of any of these outrageous systems on anyone for any or no reason at all.

We need a Department of Peace, not HOMELAND SECURITY.
We don't need to track every moving object on earth to have security, we need to use these technologies for a bright future and the end of fearing if we have a future of permanent war.
We must have an elected President that will heal our hearts and minds, not steal them.
www.kucinich.us/
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peace4all Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:14 AM
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26. shit
that's scary. Wake up America
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 02:34 AM
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27. "The Mind has no Firewall" -full article
I meant to post this link, not the snipped article
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/thomas.html
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