This campaign is about God!

[ripplingwater]

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This campaign is about God!
by: testa26112 01/31/04 03:43 am
Msg: 38292 of 38299
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Normal Americans began to take back America during the 1994 elections in which we threw out of Washington and state offices the pagans, false prophets and bad people.

Today Normal Americans continue the good fight, bringing freedom and opportunity by putting people into office who are filled with the love of the holy spirit.

Bottom line is this. 60% or more of Americans are normal. We want rulers who put into action the wishes of God. Bush has given us freedom from government intrusion by lowering taxes, Bush has supported normal marriage and is willing to fight for a constitutional amendment to keep the sodomites from defacing the God like institution of marriage, Bush has protected us from Islamic villians who wish to kill us all and whom the Democrats are afraid to deal with. Inaction on terror as recommended by Democrats is in essense, an invite into the US to destroy us.

Bush is a normal God fearing, honest man who delivers results.

Kerry and Dean have no chance.

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Uhh, may I barf now? I can't take this shit much longer... WTF is with these people?

[ComerPerro]

1. No kidding

Inaction on terror from the Democrats?

What the fuck reality are these people living in???

9/11 happened under Bush's watch. And from all of the warnings they recieved beforehand, it seems like the official Bush position on terrorism is inaction.

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[rooboy]

4. A president willing to fight for your security, eh?

Yeah, like the time he didn't bother to turn up to fight for Americans' security when he was supposed to serve in the National Guard.

And like on 9/11, when he sat like a deer stuck in the headlights whilst people were dying in the World Trade Center.

Or even better was the way he said to Osama, "here I come, ready or not..." before he attacked Afghanistan.

Yeah, your guy's a real winner...

[ComerPerro]

5. Do me a favor

Carefully study Bush's approval ratings. You will notice he starts with a level around 45% or so, then drops down over the summer of 2001 to the 30's. Then, something marvelous happens for him. The attacks of 9/11. His popularity shoots up to 90%, and then levels off again over the next year to around 60%. The he starts pimping war with Iraq, and the numbers go back up. They then level off again. There are gradual spikes as the administration raises and lowers the terror alert level. But we start to observe a lull until late 2003, when it is announced that Saddam has been captured.

Don't you realize that this is all just propaganda bullshit?

[tkmorris]

6. Yes it is

Iraq may be a lot of things but it was NOT responsible for 9/11, no matter how many times this admin sticks em in the same sentence.

Every single dollar (and soldiers LIFE) speant in Iraq could have been spent making us safer from terrorists. Bush never gave a thin damn about fighting terror, he wanted Hussein, and a toehold in the ME.

You want to try to explain to me how I am more secure due to the Iraq invasion? Go ahead, take your time.

BTW, welcome to DU.

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[ComerPerro]

10. That's a nice little story

And it might impress your stupider friends. More power to you.

But perhaps you could get to the part where you show us the link between Iraq and Al Qaeda...

[Old and In the Way]

16. Our soil remains calm? WTF is that supposed to mean?

Not sure about what barking dogs have to do with the fact that this unelected fraud lied to Congress, the American people, and the world about the causus belli; but I do know that if we had honest leadership in the Republican House/Senate, they'd have the war profiteering gang,Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield, in front of Congress on treason charges.

[Qanisqineq]

22. WOAH!!

Slow down there. My HUSBAND is one of those soldiers in Iraq. They are NOT happy about the war and do NOT think Iraq and 9/11 or the war on terror are related. Now there are people with varying opinions, but the majority are very angry.

Do you know why soldiers always say such wonderful things about the war in Iraq and about GW? BECAUSE THEY CAN BE COURT MARTIALED IF THEY SAY ANYTHING BAD.

[ComerPerro]

24. Hey! Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Qanisqineq]

26. Thanks so much!

n/t

[Old and In the Way]

29. Welcome on board!

We want to get all of our soldiers out of this impossible situation as quick as we can. We know your husband and all the troops are doing the best they can under the circumstances. I truely hate that this pResident has put our troops in harm's way to further his selfish economical/political agenda.

All the best.

[Old and In the Way]

13. Actually, he has made this country far less secure.

Since you stumbled into DU, I assume you want to be educated.

Let's start with 9/11. The Bush administration's total disregard to the threat of Al Qaeda terror acts throughout the summer of 2001 culminated with your hero sitting frozen in a chair crapping in his pants for 20 minutes. Then he ran, in his own words, "to be out of harms way". This appears to be a character trait from his AWOL days when he avoided service in Nam. 3000 died on his watch. Clinton beat him to New York by days (and Clinton was in Australia when it happened).

Still with me? OK, so we know the official story is that 15/19 hijackers are Saudi Arabians and Osama bin Laden is the architect of the event. So Bush lets the bin Laden family fly out of the US days after 9/11. Then he gives Al Qaeda safe passage out of Afghanistan.

So how does he fight terror? Instead of using 9/11 to rally the world and focus on getting the root cause of terror, he lies about Iraq being connected to 9/11 and presses war because they have WMD that could be launched in 45 minutes. Never mind that inspectors were not finding anything in Iraq, Bush calls the UN irrelevant.

Thousands of Iraqis and hundereds of Americans are killed to dethrone a defanged tyrant Bush2's father put in office. A tyrant that killed his own people with aid and weapons that Bush1/Rumsfield supplied in the 80s. So now we are stuck in Iraq; we've toppled a secular government which could well precipatate into a pan-Islamic fundementalist uprising in the mid-East and we've still avoided the root cause of terror....Saudia Arabia and Pakistan. Why? Maybe because Bush2's father is in tight with the bin Laden through the Carlyle Group.

We've burned through hundreds of billions of US taxdollars, lost 500+ Americans, 10,000 innocent Iraqi's died, no exit policy, a potential meltdown in the Middle East, and the world hates us....and we still have not confronted the root cause of terror and the country from which it came from!

And you thank God we have a President willing to fight for our security?

What planet do you live on? Moronia?

[ComerPerro]

19. Hahaha

Moronia!!!!!!!!!!

I like your opening....

Since you stumbled into DU, I assume you want to be educated.


Great post

[Old and In the Way]

23. Thanks...I was getting bored tonight and ready to hit the sack.

But then I spotted the WH spokesman weighing in on the Bush campaign 2004 talking points.

:-)

[ComerPerro]

25. Yeah, I didn't want to get into it, but

Then I saw a reply to one of my posts (above) that said:

You have to be kidding me. The ignorance displayed in 2 sentences astonishes me. Bush has taken an incredibly aggressive stance on terror, which has kept all of us sleeping in peace for over 2 years. Think with your brain instead of your political beliefs. There are plenty of things to knock Bush for; being inactive on terrorism is not one of them.

Thank God we have a President willing to fight for our security


And, well, I didn't much care for that. And I decided, "This could be fun"

[Sandpiper]

2. Yes, praise the lawd

In 1994, control of congress was seized by godly and virtuous men like Newt Gingrich, Bob Livingston and Henry Hyde.

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[ComerPerro]

8. Yeah so I was reading up until I got to:

What happened to all the "No war for oil" people? That argument proved to be full of S***.

Well, let me run this by you: What happened to the "Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction" people? That argument proved to be full of S***, don't you think?

[Old and In the Way]

21. What happened to the oil?

The collective braintrust never figured that bullets could be fired into pipelines. Kinda sucks for US imperialism. Oh well, let's pay Halliburton a $2.00/gallon premium to truck gas into Iraq.

The war was about oil, 'cept the dimwads weren't smart enough to understand that maybe Iraq wasn't too keen on letting us steal it.

[Sandpiper]

11. LOL

The separation of church and state argument of late seems to be made by those ignorant of constitutional law. If you have not taken constitutional law, please don't say you understand what the constitution says. Reading it is not sufficient- you must understand how to interpret it. Under no recognized method of interpretation is there a way to rationalize removing religion entirely from government.

How 'bout you read up on the "Lemon Test" regarding church & state issues and get back with me. The substance of your post tells me that you've never spent a day inside a law school classroom.

BTW, where are all of those dastardly WMD? Isn't lying a sin in xtianity? Or did God say that having an R next to your name gives a free pass to disregard his commandments at your leisure.

[tkmorris]

14. Oh man oh man oh man

I am having trouble believing that you typed all that out with a straight face.

That diatribe is so full of holes a Swiss cheese factory would refuse to sell it. For starters your "War for oil people" comment. Are you kidding? What were the first places secured when we first "won" the war? Correct, the oil fields. What was NOT secured until much later? Well, the nuclear facility for one. You'd think that would be kind of important, what with the whole nuclear weapons argument and all, but no. Let that one go. The first companies to go in, what do you think they were doing? Providing water? Food? Electricity? Nope, they were getting that black gold flowing. Gee, what company was that again? My memory fails me at the ODDEST times......

Oh and the pregnant woman. Are you unable to understand the concept that a pregnant woman who loses the fetus due to assualt (or for whatever reason) has lost something of value that nonetheless does NOT have the status of a full human life? Using your argument an assault that rends a woman infertile is either murder or not a crime. Just plain silly.

Oh and I'm just certain that those handicapped people in California whose benefits were just cut by their "hands-on" Governor will be happy to know that they will be taught to fish. How exactly you teach people with severe case of Muscular Dystrophy and the like to be productive members of society isn't clear but I trust you.

Your last paragraph is hilarious. You DO know that that sort of argument is pretty much the epitome of a logical fallacy right? Saying that anyone who doesn't see the CLEAR and OBVIOUS logic inherent in your brilliance is someone to feel sorry for. Wow. Here let me close with a similar one.

I feel sorry for anyone that doesn't immediately understand that I am morally and mentally superior to them. It must be sad to be so ignorant. Those poor people.....

Nah, on second thought I'll just try to use logic and reason things out. Weak arguments tend to get exposed around here awfully quickly.

But welcome to DU! Have a smurfy day!

[ComerPerro]

15. I second that

And by that, I mean that I also feel sorry for anyone that doesn't immediately recognize and respect your moral and mental superiority....


;)

[tkmorris]

17. LOL

Actually I feel sorry for anyone that trusts me to make toast, but hey, I was tryin' to make a point ya know?

:toast:

[Old and In the Way]

18. That's more likely astro-turf.

The RNC sent this out to all the suckers who are brainwashed into standing up for the least principled, most morally bankrupt group of war profiteers that have ever disgraced Washington, DC.

That also sent instructions on how to cut and paste.

[ComerPerro]

20. Its just like their standard tactic

"read this email, pretend you understand it (it has big words, so it looks impressive) then forward it to all of your friends."

[Old and In the Way]

27. Have a smurfy day....<chortle>...great line.

I'll bet he gets an autographed picture of Bush with a $500.00 donation and 20 proof of posts at the DU.

[Bridget Burke]

28. Most of your "points" have been refuted...

But I'd like to speak up about your "handouts" argument. (That fish saying is not new, by the way.)

Social programs are meant to help people in trouble temporarily; there are a some who need more permanent assistance. Generally, what most people need is a good job.

So, how have jobs been doing under your boy?

[tkmorris]

30. He's gonna tell you it's Clinton's fault

He's also gonna claim that as bad as the economy has been it would have been worse without the tax cuts. He'll mention the tech bubble, though he won't understand what he's saying, and he'll also claim the recession started when Clinton was still in office.

He'll claim that 9/11 caused a lot of this, and also state that things are finally getting better. Due to Bush of course. Evidence to the contrary will be ignored. Jobs going overseas will be Clinton's fault as well (notice a pattern?). He will cite figures from the Bush admin to make his case, even though those figures are cooked and they don't prove what he thinks anyway.

Oh wait maybe he won't do any of that since I just stole his thunder. Whoopsie! :)

[Old and In the Way]

31. It's a recession when his neighbor loses his job.

It'll be a depression when he loses his. I hear the RNC is outsourcing their freeper poster jobs to India....

[Hekate]

34. Hey, how did my former son-in-law get in here??

"I am also glad that G.W. Bush is a religious man. The President
of the United States is the most powerful man in the world If he
doesn't answer to a higher authority,then what keeps him from doing
as he pleases, to his own personal benefit? See the problems and
extreme immorality of the White House in the Clinton
Administration."

My daughter's ex used to harrass me with (mis)quotes from the Bible, but unfortunately for him I'd actually read it in my youth, and he hadn't. He used to say with a straight face that if there were no god there would be no reason for him to not wake up in the morning and commit murder or theft or the like. I wonder about a god that could create such a hollow little piece of shit.

I do make a distinction--quite a large one--between consensual sex acts and raping the environment, and between lying about consensual sex and lying to start a war on a country that did NOT send airplanes into the Pentagon and the Twin Towers. Clinton's adultery is between him and his wife, who has chosen to honor the sanctity of her vows by staying married to him (how come she never gets credit for upholding them there family values, huh?) -- but W's executive decisions affect every single one of us and are very much the public's business.

But to get back to W's religiosity. He thinks his god talks to him; he thinks his war is a crusade; he thinks his god told the Supremes to select him. He talks about his god all the time, so I guess that makes it our business, even though normally I figure it'd be a private matter. (Do not be like the Pharisees who stand on the street corner and in public places and cry "Lord, Lord!" But rather go apart into your closet and pray to your Father in secret, and your Father who is in secret will reward you)

A year ago I decided to do some research into the theology of his backers. I'll let you follow the links yourself, but let me just say say that these are the cheeriest bunch of "Christians" since the Spanish Inquisition. The Inquisitors, as I am sure you are aware, prayed every single day. They did this while torturing women and Jews to death in order to "save" their souls. Racks, thumbscrews, the boot, the Iron Maiden, red-hot irons, &c&C... after that, signing a confession admitting to kissing the devil's dong and subsequently being burned at the stake probably came as a relief.

The point of this is not to imply that either W or John Ashcroft would ever actually burn me at the stake, but simply to point out the obvious: talking continually about one's god and praying every day are NOT a guarantee that a person is on the path of true righteousness. By their fruits shall you know them -- and the fruits of this administration are dubious at best.

Hekate

~~~ Who's this God that talks to George W. Bush? Pass it on.
http://wiredheart.hispeed.com/july02/kent_southard_nf.html
"The True Face Of The Conservatives Behind Bush"
http://www.politicalamazon.com/cr-links.html
Political Amazon: "Christian Reconstructionism Links"~~~

[Jose Diablo]

12. This is the American Taliban

Notice the similarities between the "Christian" fundamentalist and the "Islamic" fundamentalist. The only difference is the dogma, the methods are identical.

Therefore, I don't think the churches that engage in political intercourse should be considered a tax free religious organization. They are a political enterprise and should be taxed. The donations to these organizations should also not be allowed as deductions as charity for income tax purposes.

[Old and In the Way]

32. Religion is the last refuge of scoundrels

When they can't make their case on solid evidence, they use religion and beliefs to defend their position. Faith-based politics.

Wish to Christ he'd rapture up his "true believers" and let the rest of us live in peace.

[Jose Diablo]

33. Notice also how they "hate us for our freedom"

There it is in black and white. The American Taliban agenda to use the color of law to take our freedom from us.

The "Christian" coalition is a political movement.

[Snappy]

35. A spoofer?

No one with an IQ over room temp would come on a Dem. BB and spout this garbage and expect to be taken seriously. It's just someone that wanted to get a reaction.

I think that this person was spoofin'.

[ripplingwater]

38. I presume you didn't read the bottom line?

<<<Uhh, may I barf now? I can't take this shit much longer... WTF is with these people?>>>

Spoofer, uhh, not me man.. Later...

[izzie]

36. There are people who think that way. Scary.....

Zealots in any religion are just plain scary to me.I wish we could put them all together at the South Pole. Then on top of it you have the evil zealots putting God into the oddest places to use the same reasoning.Every place in the world seems to have used this.

[ripplingwater]

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Where's my coffee... :(

[spanone]

39. God is crying.