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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:27 PM
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Is "Dr." David Kay a scientist? Ask one who IS.
according to Dr. Gordon Prather, former self-described "chief Scientist for the Army" under Reagan, wrote a note to the author of the linked article:

"David Kay is not a scientist. His PhD is in Foreign Affairs or some such. On the other hand, I am a Physicist and was Chief Scientist for the Army during the Reagan Years. Please don't get me confused with that guy. "
-Dr. Gordon Prather


http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4522/index.php

so......not only is there a HUGE HOLE in Kay's Curriculum Vitae (especially during the war run up, when he was constantly trotted out to support the LIE that Iraq was overflowing with toxic chemicals and nuclear proliferation-related material, not to mention buzzing with weapons of mass destruction related program activities): that of his 10 years' or so as Vice President of SAIC, a huge, much indicted-convicted-fined company, 2/3 of whose six billion dollar annual income flows from OUR pocketbooks. wonder why THAT is never brought up?

has ONE single person on TV, keeping it to that media, for now, cause that's where most consumers get their pathetic version of the 'news',
mentioned EITHER one of these facts, much less ask "Dr." Kay what area if study his PhD represents?

is he another "Dr." Laura?

if this is true, WTF does the media DO for a living? I know, they really are stenographers.....but what about the freaking DEMS?

how come THEY aren't talking about his SAIC/CIA ties, his FIRING by UNSCOM for being a SPY (he's admitted it, calling it a "Faustian bargain")? have you heard that mentioned by the mainstream handmaidens?

here's the article about Kay by Prather, mentioned here the other day, WRT Kay's firing, the dissing of Blix by Kay and others.

http://www.wanniski.com/PrintPage.asp?TextID=2728

There were reports that Kay was "fired" soon after "because of his connections with the U.S. intelligence community."

In subsequent interviews, Kay admitted that he made what he called a "Faustian bargain" with the intelligence community:

"Once you were dealing in a clandestine, competitive environment, you needed access to satellite photography, access to signals intercept, access to measurements of leakage and contamination from the programs, so you could identify where it is.

that said, Kay's PR purpose apparenty served, are his 15 minutes of infamy over?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:33 PM
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1. read Kay's laughable attempt to stir the pot last october
'interview' with Tony Snow, in which they TRY to give the impression of nasty chemicals/bombs/shells/rockets, EVERYWHERE teeming with those dangerous WEAPONS!

but when it comes right down to calling them, uh, WEAPONS, well, this is what happens:

SNOW: All right, I want to get to that in a moment. Before we do that, one final note on Botulinum. The State Department is now calling this discovery in fact the discovery of a weapon of mass destruction. Would you accept that characterization?

KAY: It's not a weapon in the sense of it was ready to be fired. It is absolutely the essential element that only time and a little growth media would have produced large amounts of Botulinum toxin.

this happens time an again during this sham. pretty funny, if it weren't so nauseating

Kay's interviews with the likes of Wolf, Tweet, Aaron Brown, among others (only ones I saw), were JUST as reprehensible. Snow has an excuse, of course, working openly for an obvious arm of the government

the other ones FOREVER disqualify themselves as journalists for their equally slobbering behavior toward this NON SCIENTIST freaking SPY!

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,99151,00.html
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:37 PM
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2. another story on Kay/CIA/SAIC/ANTHRAX!!!, including timeline of infamy
During this time, Hans Blix - Kay's boss - who was a man of integrity, was continually pressured by first Reagan, then Bush() I. to come up with 'evidence' that oil-rich Iraq() posed a sufficient nuclear threat for the US to invade (and thus to capture the oil).

In fact, until Kay came along, most experts in most western nations believed there was no evidence for an extensive WMD program in Iraq. But after the war, when Bush I needed greater validation for his actions in the run up to the 1992 election, Kay was made chief nuclear inspector for the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) on Iraq. UNSCOM was created in response to the Bush claims that Iraq was a hotbed of WMD weaponry that had to be 'dismantled.' Kay's investigations turned up all sorts of 'evidence' -given the time lapse from the end of the war to Kay's mission, who knows how much of it was planted -possibly all of it. Certainly the contributions of some 'defectors' have been totally dicredited. But UNSCOM produced the same sort of arrays of conveniently -in fact, unbelievably- detailed documents, all just left 'just laying around,' waiting to be found by Kay and company. The same evidence we hear reported ad infinitum and sans question on NBC, CNN, et al. Thanks to Kay's obliging efforts for Bush after Gulf War I, the stage was neatly set for Gulf War II. In fact, the entire invasion of Iraq was trumped up over the UN clause referring to WMDs.

Whenever Kay makes the rounds of the Bush-controlled media these days, he is always introduced only as 'former UN chief weapons inspector' and 'senior fellow at the Potomac Institute for Policy Research.' In short, Kay skips over several years of his interim history. Why? Maybe because during the 'missing years,' he was Vice President of Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), a company with extremely close ties to the Pentagon and to the Bush administration in particular. A company up to its armpits in post-war Iraqi business, not to mention secret contracts rumored to involve electronic spying. A company in which Kay is rumored to still hold a sizeable chunk of stock, one where he maintains a rich network of inside connections.

SAIC's recent history is interesting, to say the least. The company was commissioned by G. W. Bush in 2002 to construct a replica of a mobile WMD laboratory of the sort used by Saddam. This mock up, supposedly destined to be used to train teams searching for WMDs in Iraq, was designed by Stephen Hatfill, the WMD expert now being harangued into isolation and thus silence by Bush's FBI. Last spring, the Bush administration handed SAIC some of the biggest defense contract plums to be had -a billion-dollar chunk of the NexGen business and an unbelievably porky 10-year contract worth over $600 million. I bet Kay just danced a jig of joy over that one, with visions of overflowing stock returns. Just think how much gratitude a couple of billion dollars can buy. Maybe even enough to produce another round of "evidence," thus setting the stage for Gulf War III?

But back to Gulf War I's aftermath. In 1992, Kay was fired from his UN position for trying to use underhanded methods (intriguing with the CIA and Iraqi thugs) to obtain 'informants' willing to feed him whatever information he needed (true or not). One such informant appears to be Khidir Hamza, whose 'evidence' was completely discredited by 1995. However, even in the aftermath of Kay's near-disgrace, Blix refused to bad-mouth him, as a matter of gentlemanly principles. "How did Kay repay Blix for defending him?" asks highly credentialed physicist James Gordon Prather, in a June 30, 2003 interview in the Worldnet Daily website. "He repeatedly testified before congressional committees in the months preceding Operation Iraqi Freedom as to the ineptness of Blix and the U.N. inspection regimes. Kay argued that Saddam certainly had "weapons of mass destruction" that the UN inspectors would never find and that it would ultimately be necessary to invade and occupy Iraq to find them."

LONG article......timeline included

http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/4430
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:38 PM
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3. Is Kay a PNAC member?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:44 PM
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4. good question......dunno
another good question, asked by someone here yesterday:

WTF is he DOING in the first place, commenting on the accuracy of intel during the runup to the invasion???????//

he was HIRED to look for WMDs

he wasn't in the government at the time, either....some RW think tank; before that, SAIC. he just quit that job in the fall of 2002, working at the "think" tank for a few months to establish non-partisan cred before they hauled him in to look for WMDs

a huge joke

why in hell didn't Levin, or SOMEbody mention ANY of this yesterday?

his credibility would've been substantially compromised by ANY of the revealed in links posted here....links which are OLD

OLD, I tell you!
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:53 PM
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5. Levin did bring this up on PBS Newshour
He and McCain were interviewed and Levin said that his job was to find WMDs period. Levin is great yet no one listens to him. YOU GO CARL, I HEAR YA!!!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 06:00 PM
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6. good!
wonder if he mentioned that Kay has no technical background

wonder what his job was at SAIC

I find it difficult to believe he doesn't have some sort of tech grounding.

what was he doing at UNSCOM if he didn't?

starting to wonder if Prather was right.

too bad NOBODY else has questioned this
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