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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:30 AM
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I feel sorry for Martha Stewart





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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:34 AM
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1. Me too. n/t
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 12:53 PM
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19. Me, three.
Maybe because my name before I was married was Stewart. I sort of feel akin to her.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:37 AM
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2. Hold up there
While I agree she is being railroaded please keep in mind before she became a house hold name she was in fact a broker. This is not some case of someone getting mixed up in something outside their field. She was well aware of the legal issues. Now whether they were what we are hearing in the media or not is another matter.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:42 AM
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9. True..but it irks me that SHE is "public enemy #1"
and the "others" are practically invisible in the media..

If you remember, the was days away from a large democratic fundraiser, when they came after her. It was not very long after "the actual transaction", so they could not have done a whole lot of investigation by that time.. She was vilified in the press, and of course cancelled the fundraiser.. The press has crucified her, and have made it all but impossible for a fair trial..

If her name was Susan Johnson, from Hackensack , this would have been handled much differently.. This was a signal to any high powered, wealthy democrats.. Back off, or we will find something on you too..
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:49 AM
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13. Two things come to mind: Harken and Enron
Stewart might very well be guilty of insider trading,thats for the jury to figure out but the main thing here as ALWAYS is the GD hypocrisy.

Bush did the exact same thing with his Harken stock,why isn't his ass on trial. Lay literally screwed everyone,I never had a penny in Enron but it will cost me and my family because KEPERS,which is a retirement fund for Kansas employees,teachers etc.. had millions invested in Enron stock. Guess who gets to make that loss up? Ken Lay lounges around in the Cayman's and I get to work my ass off to make up the losses.

David
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DevilsAdvocate2 Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:37 AM
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3. If she did it
She should go to jail. Same with Ken Lay and the rest of the Enron bunch. Hopefully with the Andrew Fastow plea deal prosecutors will be able to make something stick to Lay, Skilling, et al
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:38 AM
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4. me too
plus the whole "insider info" is weird anyone...rich people have rich friends...so if you were holding stocks in a company and someone who worked said its goign down wouldnt you sell? its just seems to be common sense
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:38 AM
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5. I heard they took a break so Martha could decoupage the judge's bench
n/t
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adriennel Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:39 AM
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6. Yup. Me too.
there is no logical reason that MS is being prosecuted for a measley 40K when Kenny-boy is running around free and clear. makes me sick. nothing but sexism and politics at work here:puke:
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:40 AM
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7. Wasn't there some suspected insider trading in Chicago...
...from people who found out about the mad cow scare early?

Nothing Martha's supposed to have done is as bad as that.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:40 AM
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8. your post sums it all up exactly right...Martha contributes to Dem Party
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 11:44 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
exclusively

i loathe repukes and my wish for all bush supporters: may you die from your ignorance before it kills us all!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:44 AM
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10. and...
When or IF KennyBoy ever does go to trial, will the press rant and rave about his $12,000 briefcase, or his $5,000 suits, or his $2000 shoes?? Of course NOT..
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:46 AM
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11. I don't in that
if she truly did something wrong (and as a former stockbroker, she'd know it for sure if she had) she should get sent up for it.

BUT, I despise the fact that the really BIG fish keep getting let off the hook. Overall we are lousy about punishing corporate criminals.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:46 AM
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12. Martha picked the wrong Dad
Yep -- this is what Bush ordered his Justice Dept lickspittles to do to deal with public concerns about "corporate corruption."

If Martha goes down, then the whole problem is solved, 'Murka!

Also, SoCal -- let's not forget that His Chimperial Highness did something very similar to Martha -- in selling off his Harken stock the week before this company of his succumbed to his mismanagement and collapsed, sending its stock value plummetting. I think he made about $500,000 off the deal.

When it was investigated, it was by a judge that Poppy had appointed to look into the matter. Awww -- talk about warm family values! Too bad Martha's Dad couldn't do the same for her.

Or that Martha was a Friend of Smirk and could order the Justice Department to lay off her -- as he has requested in the instance of his dear pal Kenny Boy.

I personally am VERY cynical about the Fastow thing, that apparently Andy is going to sing about Skilling and Lay in order to protect his wife. Bullshit! Smirky's Justice Dept is going to "find" that Kenny Boy is totally innocent -- and that it was just some stupid bureaucrat that was the evil doer, and that Kenny Boy was just an innocent lambkin.

Otherwise -- the dirt on Kenny can bring smirky down. After all -- among other things -- he is one of those who sat at Cheney's right hand during the secret energy policy meetings and helped planned the wars on Afghanistan, Iraq, and California....
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:55 AM
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14. I feel a little sorry for her also.
I'm not a big Martha fan, but I could become one because of this.

What I take exception to, as far as the govt's case, is the business about charging her with a crime for trying to publicly defend herself. That's absurd.

Do I think she traded on insider info? Yes, but I can't see putting her in prison for 30 years or 30 months for it. Especially when Ken Lay has been insulated by CHeney and Bush (damn them).
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 12:01 PM
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15. What's worse is that she isn't being charged with defrauding anyone
She was cleared of those charges (or at least there wasn't enough evidence to charge) and instead has been charged with obstruction and making statements about the fraud investigation (defending herself on her own show) intended to prop up her own Martha Stewart Inc stock.

So apparently her only crime was arrogance and self-defense. And for that she can get 30 years. Makes the oversight of Kenny-boy's crimes that much more glaring.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 12:03 PM
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16. Your sig photos say it all
She is just a victim of a corrupt and moribund Empire.

Sadly, there will be many more like her and worse if the Emperor and His Stooges are not stopped.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 12:05 PM
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17. I do, too
While I'm not a fan of MS, to me this reeks of a gender issue.

The big boys at Enron et al aren't even being mentioned, while the resources of the federal government and the media are piling on this (successful) woman. Talk about a double standard.

The fact that she's a Democrat may factor, but I think this is far more gender-driven.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 12:08 PM
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18. You know, I don't feel sorry for her at all.
If the charges are substantiated, she broke the law, just like Kennie Boy and his cronies--who hopefully will be punished as well. Do you think that any one of us would garner any sympathy for cutting corners in that way? I'm trying to scrape together documentation right now so I can file last years taxes, the greater portion of which went to subsidize the corporations of the poor abused rich folks.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:06 PM
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20. I feel for Martha & anyone that thinks the system is fair & balanced
Enron is the biggest contributor to junior's 04 campaign. Scalia is still the biggest asshole in the judicial system.

I also feel sorry for Mrs. Cliff Baxter -
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:11 PM
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21. you really should compare Martha trouble to chimpass*'s Harken deal!
Amazing contrast there also..... I feel sorry for her too! :(
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:13 PM
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22. I did not compare her to chimpy because, HIS faults
are always locked up in a hermetically sealed vault and dumped into the Marianas Trench, never to be seen again...and fifty lashes to anyone who DARES to imply that he is less than Godly..
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:24 PM
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23. Oh, you're right
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 01:24 PM by rozf
I completely forgot about the god part - now was his 'fortunate' harken deal B4 or after he h started speaking w/ the lord....it is a fine point but makes a difference.
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