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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:27 PM
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The TV Media Refuses to Even Address the Possibility the Admin Lied
and twisted the intelligence about Iraq. I'm watching Aaron Brown and they are not even entertaining the notion. This is insane. It's like all the stories about Cheney visiting the CIA and the IC being up in arms about the tailoring of evidence never happened. Wow! This is beyond fucked up.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:29 PM
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1. Maybe they don't want to be killed

some of them have families...
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:36 PM
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4. Perhaps
That might explain it. But I feel like I'm living in bizzarro universe. I mean there WERE lot's of articles in real news sources like the NYT and such that addressed these allegations, right? It's incredible. I know I shouldn't be shocked but sometimes it just hits you how the deck is stacked. I mean how can they cover the Kay story w/out even mentioning the allegations that the Admin cooked the intel? Brown merely alluded that the Dem candidates would use Kay's revelations as political ammo, but didn't bother to inform as to why this might be damning to the admin. and that the intel is alleged to have been cooked by Cheney et al.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:49 PM
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6. I imagine anyone who gets close to the line is "talked to"

It doesn't even have to reach the level of the regime getting involved. Editors will rein them in, because being too critical of the President during wartime will not please advertisers, and without happy advertisers, there is no paper at all.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:33 PM
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2. * was a victim
you should Know that by now. An honest guy victimized by those bad spies.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:35 PM
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3. The public can draw its own conclusions
The media is in the business of war because it promote ratings. This news is bad for war.
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:37 PM
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5. The public couldn't find their ass with both
hands.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:49 PM
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7. Only because
the media has lied to them constantly, to the point where they have been brainwashed.

But let's not try to do anything about it, let's just insult them and act superior.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:52 PM
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8. You should drop Aaron Brown a message
You never know he might write back to you. He has to me a couple of times. Just don't flame him. Ask the question nicely. I doubt he'll give you a straight up answer but you never know.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:27 AM
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28. drop him this message....
DIA WARNINGS IGNORED: In September, 2002, the Defense Intelligence Agency (http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Pentagon/us-dod-iraqchemreport-060703.htm) told the White House that there is " no reliable information (http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif/templates/article.asp?NewsID=4928) on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons." The report also said, "A substantial amount of Iraq's chemical warfare agents, precursors, munitions, and production equipment were destroyed between 1991 and 1998 as a result of Operation Desert Storm and UN actions."

DOE WARNINGS IGNORED: In September, 2002, the Energy Department's technical experts warned the White House that the aluminum tubes Iraq was seeking --the central basis for the conclusion that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program -- were ill-suited to build centrifuges for enriching uranium (http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/pdf/Iraq/declassifiedintellreport.pdf) . In fact, Secretary Powell even admitted before the U.N (http://64.4.30.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=d0956f80e6ea7a784d97d87731e8d3bd&lat=1075302281&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ecnn%2ecom%2f2003%2fUS%2f02%2f05%2fsprj%2eirq%2epowell%2etranscript%2e07%2f) . that there was controversy over the tubes.

STATE DEPT. INTELLIGENCE WARNINGS IGNORED: In October, 2002, the State Department's Intelligence and Research Department (INR) told the White House that its WMD conclusions were inaccurate (http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/pdf/Iraq/declassifiedintellreport.pdf) . Its report said, "the activities we have detected do not ... add up to a compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing what INR would consider to be an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquiring nuclear weapons." The Financial Times on 7/30/03 noted that this warning was specifically reiterated to Secretary Powell during the preparations of his U.N. speech, but again was ignored.

AIR FORCE INTELLIGENCE WARNINGS IGNORED: While President Bush said Iraq had Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) that could spray biological weapons on American soil, the WP reported on 9/26/03 that "the government organization most knowledgeable about UAV programs - the Air Force's National Air and Space Intelligence Center - had sharply disputed that notion" to the White House, but was ignored.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:53 PM
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9. Bizzaro World
The truth isn't important......we got rid of an evil-doer and that's ALL that matters!
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 10:54 PM
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10. ever see that movie "Blow Up"?
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 11:23 PM
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11. it's very very sad, isn't it?
I really never thought I'd see this happen in America.

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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 11:28 PM
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12. from the "nothing new under the sun department"
http://www.motherbird.com/Can'tHap.htm

It Can't Happen Here


Sinclair Lewis, the first American to receive the Nobel Prize For Literature, wrote this satirical political novel in 1935, a time when the United States and Western Europe had been in a depression for six years. In this novel, Sinclair Lewis asks the question – what if some ambitious politician would use the 1936 presidential election to make himself dictator by promising quick, easy solutions to the depression - just as Hitler had done in Germany in 1933.

The hero, Doremus Jessup, a small-town newspaper editor in Vermont, turns 60 years old the year the dictator is elected. Doremus struggling for a year with the new government’s attempts to censor his paper and ends up in a concentration camp. Within a year he escapes to Canada, from there, he goes on missions back into the states for the underground resistance movement against the dictatorship.

While Doremus Jessup could be anybody, the identity of Buzz Windrip, the power-hungry senator who makes himself a dictator would be obvious to any American in 1935. Parallels are made in his dictatorial control of his own un-named state with the career of Huey Long, senator from Louisiana. In 1935 Long had a mass organization, the Share the Wealth League, and was planning to challenge Roosevelt for the Democratic nomination for the president in 1936. (While Lewis was writing his novel, Long was assassinated.)



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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 11:29 PM
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13. does this cry out for film, or what
please?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 11:32 PM
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14. Because They Helped Fan the Fires for the War.
Aaron Brown --- since you mentioned him, but he is hardly alone --- kept repeating the phrase "Great fun," over and over the first night of the U.S. dropping bombs on Baghdad last year. And he had the most joyful grin on his face with each "great fun" declaration.

How can he and all the rest of those who rushed us into war now honestly deal with the truth without humility and confession to the public that they were part of it.

Never forget that Phil Donahue's show was cancelled by General Electric (NBC) right before the war began even though his ratings were higher at that time than Chris Matthews.

They are all guilty.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 12:07 AM
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15. It has nothing to do with death threats.
The reason they don't ask questions like this is very simple. The men who own these media corporations stand to gain more from a Republican president than they do from a Democratic one. And so they push the Republican candidates.

Seriously- don't look for journalists in corporate-run media. There are only editorialists and propagandists of various stripes.
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GreyV Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 12:13 AM
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16. Liberal eh?
That's "liberal" media for you!
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:54 AM
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17. Why is this not surprising.
The corporations that own our propaganda machine have spoken. There will be NO questioning of our regime or you will be fired. I'm surprised there hasn't been one person of integrity that would speak out against this and be willing to lose their job. I can't believe everyone in the media machine is happy about the way things are going and I can't believe our junta is actually powerful enough to intimidate everyone without someone fighting back.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:05 AM
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18. Their Alan "candy" Colmes droids....
They value that fat check over the truth any day. They know whats going on,they know this shit should be questioned and throughly investigated--God knows it was when Clinton got a blow job.

But now with the RW running the nation and controlling the radio,TV and most newspaper media the truth will not come out. Mere blips on the screen for a fleeting seconds and usually a rambling apology from the person who brought the story to light a day or two later on how wrong they were for what they said about the Bush Regime. Death threat or payoff?? Who knows....

We've been screaming about Take back the Media for over three years now and nothing. You'll never see the truth or serious investigations until something changes in the media.

David
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:15 AM
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19. I remember when the press used to do their job
Maybe Karl Rove was right: the WH Press Corps are weenies.
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supercrash Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:25 AM
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20. Didn't Kay say...
He thinks there should be a independent investigation ?

Be patient...the ball just started rolling
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:26 AM
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21. Diane Sawyer on GMA Thursday AM....
had Condo-Liar Rice this morning and was asking some good questions regarding the Kay report and the lack of WMD's. Naturally, Condo could not answer the freaking questions. She was babbling in circles. Why, oh why, did Diane just say "Dr. Rice, could you answer the question?" We are witnessing, hopefully, the implosion of BushCo. Think the media will go on the offensive?
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:35 AM
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22. if they were to confront the lies
they would in some regard have to admit to some degree of culpability
in lying to American people and enabling *.
They were so eager to do the Administration's bidding that they failed to do their jobs; which is, of course, be responsible journalists, investigate the facts and report them. but that isn't what the American people got. no, instead we got cheerleaders posing as journalists.
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:37 AM
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23. Aaron Brown makes me ill
His 24/7 obsession with 9/11 and War combined with right-wing partisan bent, slow talking, and sanctimonius smirk make me want to shoot my TV.
:argh:
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justsam Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:40 AM
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24. Do not
even turn the channel to CNN-FOX, all you will hear is a lot of media whores that are lined up to kiss Bush and Cheneys A--. go to C-Span and MSNBC-- they try to tell the news more then they try to make it.
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supercrash Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:11 AM
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26. To be fair...
I am watching CNN ...and they keep playing the tape of McCain saying a independent investigation is needed...and Kay agrees

If we get this investigation it could be very good ...we all know what happened (OSP)
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:33 AM
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30. But the repubs will...
limit the investigation to see if the CIA miseled us and not allow any investigation as to what the WH was doing with the intelligence....dont you know that?
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:31 AM
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29. MSNBC?
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 09:31 AM by dennis4868
Are you kidding me....they are owned by GE....they have been kissing Bush's arse for the longest time....I don't have enough time this morning to go into....but please tell me you are not serious?
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:42 AM
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25. Does Any Else Remember The SOTU Last Year?
Bush descibed in detail, point by point, all of the WMD's that Iraq had in their possession, ready to launch at us (some reaching the US in 45 minutes). It felt made up at the time. Then the rumors about faked documentation came into play. The CIA was "blamed" for those 16 words referring the yellowcake from Niger. I doubt the CIA will take the sword this time. Valerie Plame was outed. Poppy should be PISSED at this. All the media needs to do, is replay excerpts from last year's SOTU and compare it with what is going on now. THE ADMINISTRATION LIED.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:16 AM
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27. You think Aaron Brown was bad...
you should of seen Wolfie Blitzah kissing David Kay's (and by proxy Shrub's) ass. I have never seen anything like that. Blitzer set up every question with a foregone conclusion favoring the administration. It was so bad that all Kay had to do was say, "Oh Yes Wolf, I fully agree!" 90% of the time.

Like you say, I really feel like I'm in Bizarro world or in a very bad dream. I just don't see how we can overcome the COLOSSAL media bias we are faced with. :grr: :puke:
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:36 AM
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31. It's incredible....
Wolf Blitzer goes after General Clark with such aggresiveness about Michael Moore's comments which really is completely irrelevant to the health and security of our country but then he has Mr. Kay on and he allows Kay to get away with everything he was saying....WHAT THE F*CK IS GOING ON HERE PEOPLE?
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:26 AM
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32. Haliburton was awarded their No-Bid contract over a year before we
attacked Iraq. That is the avenue we must travel. It will be impossible to deny that the Administration lied when the evidence is that strong.
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