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ouija_board Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 01:33 AM
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Opinions of Hillary Clinton?
I've heard a lot of different things about Hillary in the last few years but I'm interested in hearing about what US Democrats feel towards her. Both your personal opinion and what the general Democrat consensus is, if indeed, there is one at all. I just finished reading her very enjoyable autobiography and from what I've seen, I like her as a person and a public representative. I'd like to know more, though, from a more 'insider' perspective, since I'm limited by hearing mostly international media.

So. Thoughts? Comments?
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 01:37 AM
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1. Hillary is my idol
She got me into politics.
She's smart, kind, and a fantastic person.
I met her in person, and I was blown away at her sincerity.
I sincerly hope she runs as President soon...
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HILLARY SUPPORTER Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:21 AM
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15. My idol too....
I have admired Hillary since Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign which was also the first year that I was old enought to vote. Hillary is a very accomplished and bright woman. I know she will be president one day!!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:38 AM
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17. my idol also!
wish she was running!

:-)
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 01:37 AM
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2. For some reason 2 different republicans that I have talked to lately
both seem to think that Hilliary is sabotaging Dean. They don't know each other but both swore it to be true. I have no idea where the hell they are getting it! Has Rush been spreading this lie or what?
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 01:41 AM
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4. There was a stupid rumor going around...
Dean/Hillary or Clark/Hillary
Both were shot down MUTLIPLE times by Hillary herself, but no one accepted it :eye:
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 02:45 AM
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8. Makes a good story but I do not think that.
Dean may not be her man but I just do not believe that stuff. I like her as a smart women with some power. We need more women in govt. if they can do the work. I hated what they said about her first book, as I grew up in a GOP home and heard 'It takes a village" all the time in my home. In our Western society it has a inter structure that could not make it with out this interactions of govt, schools, and the rest of the things that makes our life so good and easy. It is half the trouble with third world countries. Try living in a country like Saudi and see how hard it is to live and I did not live on a large American base. I will not go into it but to say this. Do you know how hard it is to plug in a lamp when no one standard over sees that little job? 8 hr. just to find the right size light to fit, then you start on the right plug. And that is only a silly thing like a lamp!!!!
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HILLARY SUPPORTER Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:25 AM
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16. I don't know...
Politics can be a dirty game. I personally can't stand Dean myself. I have heard that Dean is against McAuliff, the Clintons and ect. and has said he would like to take any power away from them that they have within the democratic party. If Bush isn't beatable then I say leave 2008 belongs to Hillary!!
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 01:39 AM
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3. Republicans fear her for some reason.
That's why I love her!
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 02:00 AM
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5. Brilliant image of Rumy shaking Sadam's hand.
Thanks for that. Your parking ticket has been validated.
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auburnblu Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 02:04 AM
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6. She's a big fan of Wal-Mart
Or at least she was once upon a time when she was on their Board of Directors.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 02:16 AM
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7. She sure likes the war.
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 02:16 AM by ezmojason
I see she was standing a lot last night.

I would vote for her over B* any day.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 03:05 AM
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9. She'd probably be our best ever president but will never get the chance.
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:36 AM
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10. If she wants to be, she will be frist lady Pres.
not in 2004 ,I believe her that she wont run or accept a V.P. position . However her time is coming be it 2008 or 2012
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:43 AM
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11. Hillary is an exceptionally intelligebt woman...
THAT is the reason the GOP is terrified of her. Considering that most of the GOP are cretins, (at least the neo-cons), there is a great fear of intelligent women.

The knuckle draggers will never accept the fact that women can think for themselves.

O8)
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:45 AM
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12. A Brilliant Woman... More Brains In Her Ear Lobe Than All Of Dubya's Head
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:08 AM
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13. I pay attention to the people Repukes hate most - they're the best ones!
She gives the best speeches I've heard in a long time and she could have my vote right now.

RUN HILLARY!!!!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:12 AM
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14. Hope to see you later in this thread--
Hillary is a favorite topic of drive-by disruptors.

Don't know her, haven't read the book, but she certainly seems like a caring person with more than just a little political savvy.

I like and admire her.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 04:51 PM
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26. Drive-by poster.
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:39 AM
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18. Hillary is a DINO.
Why do people support Hillary? She has done nothing but lip service for NY. She supported the war, and was business as usual on the 87.5 BILLION dollar silent vote.
Here some facts read them and weep.
http://www.dsausa.org/lowwage/Documents/TANF.html
"Unfortunately, a cadre of "moderate Democrats" affiliated with the Democratic Leadership Council, including Senators Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman, has joined the President. They have embraced the higher work requirements and seem unwilling to seriously address the problem of poverty. Some of these Democrats have gone so far right on welfare that a number of Republican Senators, including Olympia Snowe and Orrin Hatch, have actually found themselves significantly to the left of the DLC Democrats."
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0605-07.htm
"At a time when Democrats like U.S. Reps. Marcy Kaptur of Ohio and Maxine Waters of California were battling the corporate-sponsored free trade agenda; when Nydia M. Velzquez, D-N.Y., and Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., were battling to defend the interests of low-income families; and when Tammy Baldwin, D-Madison, and Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., were championing real health care reform, Hillary Clinton always refused to ask the tough questions, take the tough stands or abandon the risk-averse course set by the Clinton administration.

When Clinton was elected to the Senate in 2000, there was a brief flurry of hopeful speculation that she would emerge as the liberal her most ardent supporters - and her silly right-wing critics - believed her to be. But, in the Senate, Clinton has generally served as an uninspired, if competent, moderate.

With other Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee, she has stood up to some of the worst of President Bush's judicial nominees, and like the vast majority of Senate Democrats she has voted against the worst elements of the Bush economic agenda.

But no one is going to confuse Hillary Clinton, who has cozied up to the conservative, corporation-funded Democratic Leadership Council, with a progressive reformer. She remains the conventional inside-the-Beltway pol who angrily shouted, "Russ, live in the real world," after U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., tried to explain why Democrats should embrace campaign finance reforms he had proposed.

Hillary Clinton's determination to remain in the cautious, unquestioning center was very much on display last fall, when the Bush administration came to Congress seeking a blank check to wage an unnecessary and unjustified war with Iraq. While other senators expressed concern over the failure of the Bush administration to make a credible case that Iraq posed a serious threat, Clinton bought the White House line.

"I will take the president at his word that he will try hard to pass a U.N. resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible," she declared.

Twenty-three more skeptical senators chose not to take the president at his word. Among them were Bob Graham, D-Fla., who then chaired the Senate Intelligence Committee, and Carl Levin, D-Mich., the ranking Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee. While Clinton was praising the president's pronouncements, the skeptics voted "no." "
http://www.fair.org/articles/hillary.html
"Return to the March 1992 Illinois presidential primary, when Bill Clinton's campaign was rocked by charges (from the Washington Post and candidate Jerry Brown) of unethically close relations between Bill's Arkansas administration and Hillary's law firm, which represented corporations regulated by the state, including the failed Madison S&L.

Many will remember -- since it dominated campaign news for days -- how Hillary used a feminist appeal to fend off attacks on her husband: "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was pursue my profession?"

Hardly noticed was her revealing response that day about her representation of Madison: "For goodness sakes," she answered, "you can't be a lawyer if you don't represent banks."

The fact is that most lawyers -- from Arkansas to New York and beyond -- don't represent banks, while many do represent the activist constituencies that Hillary, we are told, will be galvanizing during next year's campaign: unions, consumer and civil rights groups, environmentalists and the like.

These other lawyers are the kind who battle corporations like Wal-Mart (with its anti-labor record) or Lafarge Corp. (with its controversial environmental practices), companies whose boards Hillary Clinton sat on. "
http://www.starswelove.com/scriptsphp/news.php?newsid=3924
" Outspoken star Susan Sarandon has launched a scathing attack on America's former first lady Hillary Clinton, insisting she feels nothing but contempt for the senator. The Thelma And Louise actress has slammed Clinton's political performance - claiming she "blew" her chance of success - and is convinced the only reason she'll go down in history is for supporting her adulterous husband, former American President Bill Clinton. She spits, "Hate her! The only thing she's going to be remembered for is standing by her man, and that is really sad. She had a shot, and she really blew it. She turned out to be just another politician, which was really disappointing. I also think she lost a lot of support. I know a lot of people who write very large checks who have told her, 'That's it for us, don't come back.'""

Clinton was a Republican in Democrats clothing. Hillary is probably worse.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:48 AM
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20. Couldn't manage to put anything in to your OWN words, had to cut n
paste from some goper manual.

Well, you get what you pay for. You got bush.
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:53 AM
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22. So Liberal opinions are GOP?
So Fair is GOP? Sarandon? Common Dreams?
Don't be silly.
This what LIBERALS say about her.
Facts are facts.
The problem no one takes an objective look at Clinton policies.
When you do this pattern emerges.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:59 AM
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23. But what's YOUR opinion? Got one? Specifically, of her policies or
positions, or bills and proposals; what do you object to?
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DennisReveni Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:05 AM
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24. My opinion is she is a DINO.
She is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
After examining Bill's positions on various issues, I have to agree with Michael Moore ( and Buzzy Krongard) he was the best Republican president the US ever had.
Hillary is part of the corporate right wing new Democrats.
When Republicans compliment her for her ability to work with them something is wrong.
I was one of the callers against IWR. Her offices stated that calls were 100 to one against.
So she decided to kick us in the teeth and along with those twenty three other turncoats support Bush.
I will never vote for Hillary again.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:04 AM
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25. The problem with that position is that extremism accomplishes nothing...
other than derision and division.

By being able to find a common ground in both parties, WHICH IS THE IDEAL, she achieves what few others have. Divisiveness accomplishes nothing.

I happen to like NAFTA and see the global future we should be going in if it weren't in the complete control of greedy corporate fascists. The clinton's have always embraced discussion over dissention, which is mature and not the juvenile, 'take my cheese and leave" BS, which accomplishes nothing. They've always brought a discussion to the table in a thoughful, provoking manner.

I agree on many of her positions as being LOGICAL and rather natural to business/economics models as opposed to being all sentimental and nostalgic.

While championing the rights of people, she also sees how business and economics are evolving and doesn't coat it all with wishful eutopian dreams, and instead concentrates on logic and reality.

Logic and reality are the best positions to base one's thinking on.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 07:44 AM
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34. There are times when compromise is NOT a bad thing...
It sets up the oppositon to OWE you, and collections on IOU's are can be sweet. There art of compromise is political survival; something the GOP neo-cons have no clue about.

O8)
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:45 AM
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19. A true statesperson for our time, and our FUTURE more importantly...
she is the person I want on OUR team.

Kind, brilliant, compassionate, a real humanist, firm, solid, traditional, but progressive.

We need more people like her.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:51 AM
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21. How about working on your adjectives?
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 08:56 AM by bunnyj
It's DemocratIC consensus, NOT Democrat consensus. Dead giveaway every time...

On edit - I apologize if this is snippy. I just looked at your profile and see you're from Australia. Perhaps you honestly don't know any better, but my radar goes crazy when I see the word Democrat used incorrectly. It's a well-known wingnut ploy that they use to try and diminish the Democratic Party. I normally call people on it when I see it. Sorry if I've been too hasty with you.
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ouija_board Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 06:35 PM
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32. Oh, I'm sorry, I really didn't know.
Because yeah, Australian. Heh.

Gotta say, though, if writing Democrat instead of Democratic is their best ploy... that's pathetic. ;)
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 04:52 PM
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27. self serving, power hungry, phoney...
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 04:54 PM
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28. Like bush? Not even. She actually raised her child... to good measure.
She's not a drunken drug addicted AWOLing drug dealer loving election stealing loser liar cheater thug like the bushler freak at all.

Please. Turn the radio off. Stop listening to junkies.
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karabekian Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 04:55 PM
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29. i give her
:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 05:04 PM
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30. We've all been victims of a drive-by posting.
OTOH, we seem to have uncovered a few disruptors in our midst . . .

Leave it to Hillary in the subject line--works EVERY time!
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 05:10 PM
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31. LOL! Ain't it COOL?
easy to out the freepers er disruptors.
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ouija_board Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 06:46 PM
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33. Thanks for all the replies
So the general Democratic consensus is, basically, there is none. For whatever reason, I can't help but admire her. Something about her being such a strong, independent woman, I guess.

It's her position on the war that most surprises me. In some ways, it seems like she only went ahead and supported it very reluctantly (which would explain the sick look on her face during the SoTU), but I think I'd rather see adamant opposition than caving in. I think I'll also have to look into her work in New York thus far. It's so easy to get caught up in myth, though, that I often forget just how fallible all people are.

Apologies if I messed things up in this thread. I've been accused of being a Republican (I'm a lifelong lefty) and a "drive-by poster," neither of which I am (I was asleep when most of the replies were made, time difference and all that); I'm just still finding the ropes around here.
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