Bush sanctioned gay bashing begins:Gays Just Perverts Cardinal Declares

[Cannikin]

http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/01/012104gayPervs.htm

(Brussels) Signaling a new wave of anti-gay pronouncements endorsed by the Vatican, Belgium's Cardinal Gustaaf Joos has declared that 95 percent of all gays are nothing more than sexual perverts.

Only five to 10 percent of all lesbians and gays "are actually gay" Joos told the Belgian weekly P-Magazine in an interview.

"I am willing to write in my own blood that of all those who call themselves lesbian or gay, a maximum of five to 10 percent are effectively lesbian or gay," Joos said. "All the rest are just sexual perverts," he added.

Cardinal Joos directly falls under the jurisdiction of the pope in Rome," said Toon Osaer a spokesperson for the Belgian conference of Bishops.

But Joos is unrepentant. He later told VRT television, "I'm just speaking out on what thousands of people are thinking but never get a chance to say."

[aquart]

1. Thousands of people are illogical idiots?

It may be true, but it's not nice to say so.

Proud day for the Church, eh?

[SemperEadem]

42. Would the cardinal care to discuss the reign of Bloody Mary Tudor

or the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, since he's so marvelously verbose on the topic of perversion?

[Democrats unite]

2. Now I have to wonder...

If I am gay or just a pervert? These people make life so hard for me sometimes!

[Tyler Durden]

4. Decisions, Decisions.

Now I am a pervert. Does that make me Gay?

[meegbear]

7. Me too ...

maybe we're just perverted heterosexuals. Hmmmmm ....


Nah.

[Tyler Durden]

11. AHA! Another "despair.com" viewer!

I have two desktops, one has the Grizzly getting ready to chomp the salmon leaping up the falls with the caption "AMBITION: The journey of a thousand miles sometimes ends very, very badly," while the other has the large fries with the capion: "POTENTIAL: Not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up."

Philosophy for our troubled times.

[ET Awful]

12. I find his statements to be biased against those of us . . .

who aren't gay but ARE perverts ;) :) :)

[foreigncorrespondent]

26. Hell...

...I'm BOTH gay and a pervert. :evilgrin:

[HawkerHurricane]

28. The difference between Kinky and Perverted...

Kinky is using a feather.

Perverted is using the whole chicken.

[Tyler Durden]

3. Time for the Log Cabin Republicans to switch sides...?

I never understood the concept of a Gay Republican.

Or a Black Republican.

Or an Hispanic Republican.

Or a Female Republican.

Or a Jewish Republican.

Or........(continues to infinity.)

[mlawson]

50. They will never do that, because their main reason for being,

is that they are 'gay republicans'. What if they switched to become gay Democrats?? What would be distinctive about that??

I suspect these pathetic Log Cabin guys 'earn' their living from running that organization...

[davsand]

5. Protecting molesters of children ISN'T perverted??

Seems to me that the church better back away from this issue right quick given the number of public charges out there of them covering up for priests molesting children.

Would you like to discuss "sexual perverts" Cardinal Joos?

Laura

[HawkerHurricane]

14. Child molesters who...

happen to be priests?

"How can you remove the speck of dust in your brothers eye when you have a great plank in your own? You hypocrit! First, ask your brothers help in removing the plank, so you may then see clearly enough to remove the speck." - Jesus, Nazerene, Rexus Isreal.

[MountainLaurel]

30. Hello Pot, meet Kettle

Holy hypocrite BatBoy!

But don't you know, those priests weren't perverts, they were led on by all those lurid 6-year-old altar boys and Sunday School girls :eyes:(according to some of the documents released, this was one excuse molesting priests used frequently) :grr:

[SemperEadem]

41. not only molesting them, but telling them they'll go to hell if they tell

that is a textbook definition of perversion... and we all know that the Catholic church will use what's in its arsenal to keep their grip on your money, even threatening your afterlife as if they have any say-so in it...

they need to go back to selling indulgences

[KansDem]

6. This is rich...

...coming from an organization that harbors, protects, and coddles child molesters. Let's see, how many accusations vs. how many convictions to date?

Makes my head spin... :eyes:

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. I'll lend him a sharp knife

with any luck he'll bleed to death before he finishes writing.

[ramapo]

9. He's the uniter isn't he?

Remember...Bush is a uniter, not a divider.

[Terran]

10. I am completely baffled.

He seems to be saying that those 5-10% who "actually" gay or lesbian are somehow...okay? And of the other 90%, what exactly is it that these people do that makes them "perverts"? If they're not gay or lesbian, does that mean they're straight? or bi? Is being bisexual worse than being gay?

This kind of muddled delusional thinking is so typical of religious right wingers.

[Hoosier Democrat]

13. If anyone knows perverts, its the Catholic Church

Spoken by a practicing Catholic here!

[terrya]

15. Of course, now those evil pedophiles in the Vatican are chiming in.

Fuck them and their hatred. Fuck them and their bigotry.

I wish I had access to nuclear weapons. I'd erase the Vatican off the face of the Earth.

I hope everyone from the Pope on down burns in hell for all eternity.

[HawkerHurricane]

16. Umm...

While I understand your hatred, and even agree with the sentiments, I really don't want to 'nuke' the Vatican. Even if we disregard the priceless art and library there, the collateral damage to Rome would be much to high.

Perhaps we could take the Vatican heiarchy to a conveniently empty location, like Yucca Flats, and THEN nuke them?

[Cannikin]

17. I'm sure he meant a small tactical nuke.

Sounds like the Vatican is about to join up with the rest of the PNAC bunch to get this crazy world under control!

[HawkerHurricane]

19. I still object to the destruction

of the priceless art and the library.
Especially the library. The originals of the Gospels are in there, and I'd love to get my hands on them.
Also, as a military man, I'm a firm believer in using the right tool for the job. Never use a nuke when a sniper's bullet will do...

[Cannikin]

20. We're just playin....

As gays, we'd never destroy a FABULOUS crib like the Vatican.

[terrya]

21. (cooler headed)

You're right...my God, the Sistine Chapel, the other priceless art treasures.

No, those are too valuable. Let's round up the Pope and his henchmen, take them out to Death Valley, and THEN, with a small tactical nuclear device, take them out.

Thanks for reminding me about what's really important

Terry

[Cannikin]

23. lol...I guess all we CAN do is laugh a little right now.

:hug:

[HawkerHurricane]

24. Not Death Valley!

Oh, gawds above, my Father would hunt you down... He did one of his dissertions on Death Valley landforms, and would love to work thier for the park service if he wasn't afraid they'd make him into 'Death Valley Scotty' for the tourists...

How about San Clemete Island? Navy's been using it as a target zone for years, it's pretty much uninhabitable by native life already...

(BTW, Dad Summers in Yellowstone, and Winters in Petrified Forest... Stay out of the nat'l parks with your nukes, the snowmobiles are bad enough!)

[Serenity-NOW]

40. A nuke perhaps but really wouldnt the

holy hand grenade of antioch be called for?

[SemperEadem]

43. Burn 'em at the stake in the middle of the desert...

[HawkerHurricane]

45. Stake 'em out in Death Valley in Summertime...

and you can get the same effect, without polluting the atmosphere or wasting wood...

[Occulus]

33. How much is that art worth?

How many Catholics are starving while their leaders live better than many kings?

Isn't the purpose of a Christian priest- at least, part of that purpose- to clothe the naked, heal the sick, shelter the homeless, succor the suffering, and feed the hungry?

How many people could be clothed, healed, housed, comforted, and fed if the Roman Catholic Church sold all its art treasures and grand constructions and bent the resulting cash upon those goals?

The Catholic church heirarchy has lost its way.

[terrya]

34. I imagine it's priceless.

No one has ever put a price tag on it.

Your idea is a good one. It was, in fact, a plot point in the film "The Shoes of the Fisherman", about a newly elected Pope, played by Anthony Quinn, who sells off the Vatican's art treasures to feed the hungry.

[HawkerHurricane]

36. Someone once told me...

that the three richest organizations in the world, based on possessions, were the US Government, the Catholic Church, and the Mafia.
Not necessarily in that order.

[terrya]

38. The Vatican is very closed mouthed about their financial holdings...

I suspect for very good reason.

The Church is supposed to own vast amounts of real estate around the world.

[Blue_Chill]

18. well I guess it's another year of skipping church for me

what a fucking asshat...

[Cannikin]

22. Hmm. I've never heard 'asshat' before. I like that!

[CrownPrinceBandar]

25. This guy's not next in line for the papacy...

is he? I heard that the fav for the next pope was some cardinal from Belgium. Hope its not his loser.

[LeahMira]

27. No...

"I'm just speaking out on what thousands of people are thinking but never get a chance to say."

No, Cardinal Joos, thousands of people are not thinking that.

[SemperEadem]

44. I think he meant to say...

"I'm just speaking out on what thousands of close minded, bigoted, pride-filled people are thinking but never get a chance to say."

[icymist]

29. So. Bisexuals and transsexuals are perverts?

Then, strange as it may seem, according to this logic, if a lesbian transsexual should marry a woman, then the marriage is heterosexual? Gotcha!!! You must now define what a man is and what a woman is!

[Valjean]

31. Opposing Gay Marriage

Opposing Gay Marriage doesn't make you a homophobe.

I don't think that Bush is a Homophobe. I think he's a narcissist who will say anything to improve his position. He believes in nothing beyond his right to rule.

So don't take it personally.

[Cannikin]

32. I agree with you totally on that.

He truly doesnt care one way or the other. Its about keeping PNAC in power to drive those mighty war profits.

[Stuckinthebush]

35. Homophobia

An irrational fear of homosexuality.

Bush is afraid that homosexuality will be a danger to the institution of marriage if gays and lesbians are allowed to form committed relationships sanctioned by the state.

That is irrational.

I'd call him a huge homophobe. I'd also call him a narcissist.

[Serenity-NOW]

37. Wow, when I was a kid they took the word

'deviant' out of the books that spoke about homosexuality. My friends and I rejoiced. I guess they're getting ready to put it back.

[Silverhair]

39. That has always been the stance of the Roman Catholic church.

No news there. No relation to Bush either. I seriously doubt that a Belgium Cardinal in the Catholic church looks to Bush for leadership on sexual issues.

[Bertha Venation]

46. "write in my own blood"

What a freak.

"Just saying what others won't" -- what a freak.

WHAT A FREAK!

[davidinalameda]

47. found this little tidbit as well

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2434577


He was equally strident in questioning democracy, saying in the same interview,

“Politics, democracy. Don’t make me laugh. The right to vote, what is that all about? I think it is curious a snot-nosed, 18-year-old has the same vote as a father of seven. One has no responsibilities whatsoever, the other provides tomorrow’s citizens.”

[icymist]

48. Frankly, I'll say that this Belgium man should stay out of American

politics where he would be eaten alive! But that's really not fair since American politics seem to want to be become involved in foreign affairs! Until Bush and the neo-cons are out of office, how could we say what should be in other countries?

[Selwynn]

49. The greater "immorality" is this...

It doesn't matter how you feel about the "morality" of one's sexual orientation, promoting an atmosphere of prejudice and slanderous demaning of other groups, genders, races, etc. is the far greater "immorality." That's what discriminatory anti-gay legislation does, that's what the rheotoric of justifiable social inequality for gays does, that's what George Bush did last night. It's open seasons on "faggots," who are not fit to live with the same rights as privileges as the "superior" people.

Hell, let's just fire up the ovens again and go for the final solution to people who's lifestyles or beliefs we don't like. God forbid we offer them EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*edit* - I want to make clear that "immorality" is in quotation marks, meaning that I do not personally believe ones sexual orientation is a moral issue, however for those who do, the fact remains that it is a far greater "sin" to do what our society is doing, and what it is empowering the world to do.

[Cannikin]

51. I'm with ya!

[Endangered Specie]

52. " I am willing to write in my own blood "

Get this man a knife! Ill help.